[guitz]

it's faster.... blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=20065


it beat wall street predictions... [http://www.thestreet.com/story/10527719/1/palms-loss-spanks-estimates.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEFI]



it's focus is on quality apps vs. quantity junk you'll never use... [http://sprintconnection.kansascity.com/?q=node/1080]



and I'll add it looks way more compact and sleek, and a hard keyboard...ANY keyboard is a 100% improvement over a touchscreen only keyboard

[rfceo]

Sprint and Palm have not launched the full ad campaign as yet. they are waiting till there is product available to do so. From reading information for marketing firms they are planning on spending more that was spent on the Instinct.
They sold out without ads, just word of mouth through reviews and a few shows.

[cyberstven]

BigKatt, tell me 5 apps you use every day and show me that you are not a "just for fun" user. WTF does that mean?

[Biggkatt01]

1)Nimbuzz

2)Aol Radio

3)Pandora

4)Trapster

5)Sportacular

Now for the Business Apps

6)Whitepages

7)Ebay

8)Amazon

9)Paypal

10)Pnc Mobile

11)Tracker

12)My Streets

13)Remote Pad

14)Iexpenseit

15)Tether

16)Siphon

17)Callcontroller

Now as I said in my last post leave the grown up talk to grown ups. You can go out side after your homework is done. And because you back talked no desert tonite

[Biggkatt01]

As they say in the movies that I like to watch.

"BEAT IT KID YOU BOTHA ME

[jaason]

Sorry to piss in your Apple Fanboy Kool-Aid, but Palm just blew away the "analysts" numbers and after hours trading is up 12% on the stock. I'm guessing all the negative nancies shorted Palm, whooops!!!

Ok thats all for now... I'm going back to installing a few new apps that won't require jail breaking my phone, voiding my warranty, or turning my phone into a brick! :-)

[Biggkatt01]

Can't turn a brick into a brick.

[rfceo]

Palm Pre Fizzles for Sprint
Palm has released their quarterly report and as of 6:10 pm est the Palm stock is at a new 52 week high of 15.89 up 13.34% for the day.

Palm shares have risen 356% so far this year, as investors see the Pre as part of a vanguard of hot smartphones.
A big reason for the stock surge is that Palm appears to be managing
costs well. Palm had gross margins of 23% and burned through $72.4
million in cash. The company has $255 million in cash remaining, more
than the $219.4 million it had at the end of the prior quarter. The
upshot for Palm fans is that it means the company may not be forced to
seek more financing right away.

[cyberstven]

This is going to be my last reply because I dont want to be like MacGeek and
bigkatt spending my entire day trying to sabotage every other phone.
First off, I find it funny that you think I am a kid, and that you even
brought that up in your argument. Is that really how you apple fan boys
argue? Why am i even asking that, of course that is how you people
argue. I guess because I had a girlfriend who was in college two
years ago makes me a kid. Well BigKatt, I've been in the business world
for quite some time and I use my phone for both business purposes and my
personal life.

Regarding your app list, I agree that many of those are useful. It
seems like the ones on that list that are the most useful require
jailbreaking. I agree that when you jailbreak the iphone it is a whole
different animal... I am going to do that for my girlfriend once they can crack
the iPhone 3GS. But the pre will be jailbroken as well (despite your
blinded original claim). I will admit that I am looking forward to some
of these apps (or ones that function similarly) . But, many of those apps
you mentioned are simply apps for websites. As of now, I can do the same
things as you by accessing the normal webpage; not using some app made for
people like my mom to use. And lets not forget the iphone's browser
has no plans to support flash soon (wow that must make you feel bad).
Also buddy, let me know when you can listen to Pandora while answering an email
(oh my god, i'm a "kid" and I check email).

The point of my original post wasn't to make stupid arguments like you
are doing (and now, I guess I am too). It was to say that each phone has
their advantages and that there really is not one true winner. Additionally,
it was to explain why the author of this article was straight up wrong (its
pretty obvious considering his yes to no ratio for recommending this article is
so low (you know what a ratio is right Bigkatt, you're a big fella).
Anyways, Bigkatt (and the author), people like you make a free enterprise
market a corrupt shithole by trying to deter people with false facts.
I'll leave "the grown up talk to the grown ups", I'll enjoy
coming home to my young hot girlfriend, and my beautiful pre.

[rfceo]

Just to add the Pre has been jail broken and you can google it. They have also had a touch screen keyboard up and running on the Pre, google that as well. I to am done trying to point out things that can easily be found by Googling the Pre if you really want to educate yourself on the subject instead mouthing off BS with out even researching it.

The Pre is just one of a few well designed Smartphones and to each their own.

[dogrivergrad68]

Getting hot isn't the same as overheating.

[dogrivergrad68]

That's an exaggeration if I ever heard one. Whoever said that it gets too hot after a 1min phone call must have been the samn nimrod that thought he was going to cut his hands on the keyboard. I indicated in an earlier post when mine gets hot and why - watching Sprint TV for more than 10 minutes. I don't have a thermometer to measure how hot it gets, but it's not too bad. It will go away once palm fixes whatever is wrong with the radio.

[dogrivergrad68]

The guy complaining in the story that you linked to wasn't a part of their early access The others that have, really like it. If you look at what's in their app store, it's all 3rd party stuff. It took a Pandora developer 3 days to get a beta version of their app ported to the device.

http://tomconrad.net...new-palm-webos/

[dogrivergrad68]

"Can you show me a
jailbroken Pre no and no one is trying because its not worth it. Shoot
an email over to the Iphone dev team and say can you work on
jailbreaking the Palm Pre for us and they will laugh and not respond."

Why would they care? These guys are already doing it:

http://predev.wikidot.com/

[TechieXP]

Vista a failure? What school did you graduate from? What is your and MacGeeks definition of failure.

How about this. MSFT at this point has sole over 300 million copies of Vista...That's a failure? How about this....Well here is some math for you since you can't grasp the meaning of failure. Apple is how old?

According to factual data...the Mac was released to the public for purchase on Jan 24, 1984. So that means the Mac is 25 years old as of Jan 2006. Based on raw facts Apple sold about 5 million units per year from 1984 to 2006. After that teh unit sles double to 2.5 million. In short that means Apple since 1994 has sold about 150 million units or so....on Jan 20, 2007 Vista was avail worldwide for purchase. Vista at this point is 3.5 years old. In 3 years MSFT has sold more copies of Vista than Apple has sold Macs in its lifetime. So who is teh failure.

How about this...even with Vista's issues approx 28% of Windows users are using Vista. Apple manage to get a 1% gain in OSX sales since Vista's release. So who's the failure? Apple managed to sell about 8 million Apple II system in its lifetime...which means MSFT has sold more compies of Vista then Apple has sold computers period. And the fact that billions of people use Windows both legally and illegally shows it is a more sought after product.

Here is more facts for you...Apple Inc is worth about 6.5 Billion in cash...how much is MSFT worth..I couldn't find an answer...but I do know this...when Bill Gates regain his title as the worlds richest man in 2000 from that guy in Japan....they made a statement that the value of Microsoft exceeded all the money the USA of had in circulation...I wonder how many trillions of dollars that is....that means Apple can't even in 50 lifetimes or more...ever have moe money then MSFT...so since MSFT has more money than any single entity know to man that would mean Apple is a failure...right?

How about that fact in 40 years Apple has managed to have 3 products that has made them a name...the Apple II...the iPod and Touch/Iphone are basically the same device...MSFT has how many successful products that outsell what Apple has at what rate...maybe a few 100000 to 1? I can't do that math but I can do this....Since 2006 Apple has sold approx close to 7 million Macs...divide 7 into 300 million copies of Vista...that would mean what...for every 1 Mac Apple sold...MSFT sold 42 million copies of Vista. Isn't that amazing...yet everytime Apple is mention they have to be compare to MSFT...maybe at being controlling and greedy. Nothing more.

Here is something you fans have in common with Steve...out of touch with reality and high off some type of drug.
I think Apple makes great products...but they aren't that great that they can't be beaten...The Mac has basically been a failure since IBM got into the game. MSFT simply cloned with the clones. Bill Gates is greedy..but at least he was smart greddy..while Apple even to this day is dumb greedy. They could have been the MSFT of this industry...so could XEROX and even IBM. But they were so selfish in looking out for themselves...they didn't see the biiger picture until MSFT left them so far behind...that even if you combine the cost of ALL big players in this industy...they still don't have the resources MSFT has. Apple is not even smart enough to partner with Big companies...If Apple was smart they could have joing forces with maybe T-Mobile and sold iPhone exclusively and got almost all the money from each sale. Or they could have license iPhone to all cellphone carriers and make them pay Apple for each device and made far more money. And could have boost their value 100%. So much for great moves.

Back to topic...Storm not popular? Out of teh top selling phones in the USA...the Storm rates 3rd...even before Verizon did the 2 for one deal. So you rpoint there is busted. Again what is your definition of failure or popular....

The Razr v# to this day for that type of styled phone is still the most widely sold phone in hisory for its type. At present iPhone is for its type...however it is condiered a new technology and this it has a chance to be beaten. No phone will every beat the Razr V3...

The Instinct did very well and even Samsung stated they sold way more than expect in a short time. I am not sure of LG...but when Instinct was released there were some long lines to get it for several days. Sprint customers got first dibs on it.

Jailbroken Pre...there is no need to jailbreak it. The problem with iPhone Apple put a lock on it...called iTunes..you must purchase music through it...same for video same for appz. There is only a new to jailbreak to get away from propritory standards. There is no need to jailbreak teh Pre...bec Plam isn't trying to control those who buy it. That was a very dumb statement. Why did you bring that up?

Anything you can do with your iPhone and can do with the Storm..with the exception of WIFI...that is no biggie...ita coming. I can download appz from anywhere. I can change the phones UI to be what I want even mimicing the iPhone. I can get music form anywhere...I only need rims software to install appz..i don't need to for music, video and other things...I can attach my BB to any sstem and it will be reconized...Unless you install iTunes no computer can reconzie iPhone. That's call CONTROL...A WORLD WITH WALLS..

As I told another Apple Fan...in the Windows world...there is a wall in front of you...but you can go under, around...over and even through it. With Apple teh walls are like a jail cell...the space to move is so small that you can feel your breath bounce off the walls.

I like some of Apple stuff...but it isn't worth all that control.
I don't think any cell phone should ever be called iphone killer until one does it. however the only ppl who hype up every touchscreen phone as such is the MEDIA. Yes RIMM did pit the Curve agaist iPhone and it is better than Iphone on virtually every level. The only advantage iphone has over any phone is touch...nothing more. Evenything else is a copy of whats others have had for years. All of a sudden Apple copies and innovates and you all think they are God's gift to cellphones....The iPhone by default isn't even a cellphone...it is teh iPod Touch w/the calling featured added....no other phone on the market was every a multimedia device turned into a cellphone.

And there should be anger @ ATT. They for one are charging you for a multimedia package at full price...yet the iPhone can't take full advanatge of use of the package...yet other phones provided through ATT use the full services...ATT should be charging less bec you can't use all the features of there service. And Apple agreed to that? Shows what happens when ur desperate. Steve was willing to sign a deal with a worse devil than MSFT.

Cellphones to me are computers in a different form factor. The more a computer does, the more power required to run them. It is expected that phones will kill a batter quick. The problem is teh battery is simply to small to provide prolong usage...example...a double a battery is the same height as a C battery...sure you can use them in place of a C for a bit...but they don't haold enough juice for power hungry devices. To be sticking those lil batts into a device that needs so much power is simply dumb...but at least every phone in the world has an option. I can buy extras ones and install them if they do run out. In fcat Smasung did one better...the Instinct came with 2 batteries in the package...but Iphone? You can't even change the battery. What a fluke. Even cheapass phones costing $25 have USER replacable batteries...and Apple fans laughed at Steve Ballmer when Steve Ballmer laughed at iPhone. Not being able to change a battery was the iphone killer for me in addition to Apple using ATT.

Lets see...iPhone about 5 hrs of usage...Pre about teh same. The biggest drainers of a battery? Signal search. Ai am berrting ATT phones will search for signal more than any other phone 'I' ever used. How do I know? We all know steel will block signals....but check this out In our office it is all steel and glass. We have 5 ppl in our office with iPhones...one guy has the 1st gen and the rest have the qst gen 3G. 4 of teh 5 always have to go outside or in the back of the office to get a signal...while my Storm has full bars no matter where I am. We also have a wifi in the office...one guy sits ;ess than 10 ft from it..and the iphone fails to even see it. Yet I can go all the way outside to our parking lot woth my laptop and get 1/2 teh bars as a signal...and the lot is 1/2 way down the block. Explain that?

Lastly...I don't get what is the huge hype behind iPhone other than being a fad. I think is is great to have multimedia capabilities in a phone and all Smartphones do this and even non-smartphones do it as well.

The iPhone is at best a very pretty phone on the outside...which certainly adds to its appeal. In my experience since I have to set them up at work to use our Lotus Notes mail..I have found them to be no easier or harder to use than any phone I have ever use personally or otherwise. Actually I am at a point I hate full touchscreen phones....not bec of esin..but becuase of a few things about them. Battery life is less bec of bigger screens and power hungry CPU's. Constant need to wipe the screen for the phone to respond to the touch of your hand. Iphone is jsut as bad when natural oils from your had get on the glass. Smartphones are also more expensive to replace...costing at least 100 deductible on the insurance...God forbid you lose it.

As far as your other comments on popularity of phones? As long as they find a niche and sell that isn't a failure and it doesn't mean it isn't popular...it just means it isn't as popular as others. I would say that any device that requires you to get on a waiting list to get it is popular...even Apple didn't meat teh demand they created with the original iPhone release.

And that virus stuff you mentioned about computers? I won't even go there...the only people who have thos eproblems are ppl who visit sites online that exploit u and downoading pirated software..something even Macs are not even past. No one wants to writes viruses for OSX/Macs...bec they AREN'T POPULAR ENOUGH. Windows is used by Billions worldwide...in fact any country that has a computer you will find Windows...will you find OSX? NOOOOOOO!!!! Apple has only a 3% international penetrations beyond the borders on North America. Even Acer has a biiger merket oversea than Apple and they are a new PC brand compared to Apple.

If your smartphone can manage to survive a day on a full charge the way I see some ppl talk on a phone..from the time they wake up until they go home? I'd say that device did well. I don't talk much and basically make probably less than 10 calls per week on my phone Battery life wouldn't be an issue with any phone.

[TechieXP]

That's good news for Palm. Looks like MacGeek was wrong. So much for the Palm bankruptcy.

I have yet to see the Pre up close...but based on what I see in videos...teh Pre looks promising. Also if MSFT actually makes a phone with anything similar to what I saw on the Zune HD..iPhone may bec history very soon...

I wished this phone could come to America - http://news.zdnet.co...ommunications/0,1000000085,39610699,00.htm
If MSFT made this phone or similar and made a better touchscreen...more like th Zune HD..MSFT will blow Apple to bits...Applesauce is coming to a Apple Store near you.

Kudos to Palm!

[Blove23]

This is silly, but if yo want me to send you an email I'll send you a picture mail of a Palm Pre jail broken. I forget you don't have picture mail This argument is silly and stupid. the bottom line is: each phone has its niche.The palm was the original touch screen phone, The Iphone is a great phone, but not everyone needs an Iphone. I remember when no one wanted a mac and everything was PC. Now since the Iphone everyone thinks they need it. Its a generational gap with Iphones and palms.

The Iphone has some of the best applications out there, but the phone is an application phone. Palms have always been business tools and organizers. Its great that we can have this debate about smartphones, but in reality not everyone is smart enough to use these phones. The Palm Pre is the only phone that has given the Iphone any competition. That is because you have former Apple engineers working on the phone. Take it for what it is "you like your phone and Palm people like there pre." If you are in the business world you would understand this, but I don't know what you do.

Enjoy your phone as I will enjoy my phone and we can live happily ever after!

[Voizdude]

"The question for later this year will be whether multiple Android launches will generate more sales than the Pre has managed."
Maybe should be written as "The question for later this year will be whether multiple Android launches will generate more sales than the iPhone has managed."
Also "which is that the Palm Pre seems to be going nowhere at a pretty good clip."
Palm results seems to show they are doing alright.
Kudos for the author for being a Tech Inciter. But FAIL as tech product business insider.
And iPhone users that I know think that 1MacGeek and BigKatt01 are embarassing them. Keep it up and maybe they just switch to Pre.

[1MacGeek]

TechieXP said:

That's good news for Palm. Looks like MacGeek was wrong. So much for the Palm bankruptcy.

My, oh my. Nothin' like shootin' from the lip, is there Techie?

Wrong? My dear Techie I couldn't have been more right if I tried ! To wit :

1. Palm reported a loss of $91.5 million, or 78 cents a share, compared with a year-earlier loss of $41.1 million, or 40 cents a share.

2. Revenue fell 71 percent to $86.8 million.

3. Net loss for the year was $105 million.

4. Palm shipped a total of 2,407,000 smartphone units during the year, representing a 25 percent decline vs. the prior year.

5. Net loss for fiscal year 2009 was $ 753.5 million.

6. Smartphone sell-through for the full year was 2,570,000 units, down 19 percent year-over-year.

THAT is a disaster, no matter how healthy your company is. And the only reason anyone is "high" on Palm right now is because it is (roughly speaking) a 25% better disaster than was expected. But it was still a disaster, none-the-less.

There are certain realities in this situation that simply cannot be ignored :

1. Palm only has $255 million in liquid assets (cash and cash equivalents) left. They are burning through roughly $500 million in cash per year. Do the math, kiddies - Palm goes broke in December unless they (a) slow their burn rate, (b) someone with way more money than brains gives Palm a boatload of money to flush down the toilet, or © put 3 million Pres on the street in six months.

2. Even if Palm manages to put 3 million Pres on the street this year, they HAVE to book the revenue from the Pre 1/24th at a time, which will not be a rate fast enough to save the company. Look, if they can't run the company on 2.5 MILLION smart phones each year, the Pre is not going to save them on 125,000 units.

3. Every Pre sold means another Palm product - product for which they could book the earnings instantly - isn't getting sold. My prediction is the Pre will cause Palm to implode by cannibalizing sales from itself. Not Apple. Not RIM. Palm will steal sales from Palm. It's got to happen, since they are making rumblings of discontinuing the Centro and the Treo.

4. If Palm becomes a one-product company - making an assumption someone gives them a massive infusion of cash and they don't go bankrupt - what happens when the Pre falls out of favor? Where does Palm go then?

And add to this is the half-assed marketing Sprint is now doing for Palm and the Pre - just today I got a not-cheap-to-print flyer urging me to buy the Pre for my business. There was a huge, glaring error in the flyer that Sprint really screwed the pooch on. Inside the flyer, glued with rubber cement, was a $50 off "coupon" that said at the top was good ONLY on the Pre.

... and the fine print at the bottom said the Pre was excluded, along with the Blackberry Curve 8830. Nice job, Sprint!

So why is Sprint discounting the hottest thing since the sun? If these things truly are sold out, then why discount them a single penny? Someone at Palm isn't very bright one way or another.

Oh, but I am just getting warmed up. The "plans" they want to offer my business are more than what I am paying for the iPhone. For 450 no-rollover minutes and unlimited data, Sprint wants $70 per month - more than I pay for the iPhone through AT&T but the same as mere mortals off the street can get. And again, there is no rolling over of the minutes.

And here is the really hilarious part - Sprint thinks I may want to opt for the data-only plan for the Pre at... $70 dollars per month. But on a plan for which they offer me ZERO minutes, they are going to throw in - FOR FREE! - mobile-to-mobile, nights and weekends (starting at 7 pm), nationwide long-distance, and no roaming charges. How very generous of Sprint to give me all that, but not one blessed minute to take advantage of it.

And the funny just keeps coming! They are going to give me an 8% discount per month for being a loyal customer, even though I don't have an account with them!

And the cherry on top of the whole glorious mess - the mail-in rebate for buying the Pre will be in my hands in a speedy 10-14 WEEKS. Seriously? Who are you sending the check with? Galapagos Turtle Express? GTE - where our motto is : when it absolutely, positively has to be there... sometime!

But the real kicker is the one thing I note nobody is talking about - and I bet you don't even know it yourselves if you did buy a Pre. I quote Sprint :

Sprint may terminate service if (1) more than 800 minutes, (2) a majority of minutes, or (3) a majority of kilobytes in a given month are used while roaming.

END QUOTE

Given all this - especially the data limitations and the non-usable "coupon" - exactly what reason is there for me to move my business communication needs to Sprint?! I repeat : only a fool would buy a Pre.

[cyberstven]

Mac Geek. You are a douche. You spend your whole life defending a stupid company. You must make Steve Jobs so proud! You're a part of his army, how cuuuute! Go bang a chick or something... it would do you some good. And I repeat, only a huge fing idiot spends as much time as you do on this site. Now shut up, stop repplying so I stop getting these stupid notifications.