[achristie]

I have ALWAYS thought Apple had, and still has, brilliant marketing! But then, I'm one who gives credit when credit is due. The two best things that Apple does is marketing and then taking technology that usually already exists, touching it up, and simplifying for the masses. They usually add their own special little touch that makes it sparkle and appeal to the average user. That comes with a price, however. Not only on the pricetag, but also in the fact that you tend to get locked in. I never bought a Mac because I want to be able to put my own hardware in it. I never bought a iPod because I don't want to be locked into the iStore. Apple did some really awesome things with the iPhone. They raised the bar! But I knew another company would eventually come out with something just as good, if not better. I was waiting on the Android to come to Sprint so that I wouldn't have to switch carriers when Palm announced Pre at CES. That's when I knew that, if it did everything they said it would, the the Pre would be my next phone.

The only way I can personally buy Apple is to buy their stock, which I do own. Even though I prefer Palm's phone, I won't buy their stock because it's just too risky for me. I think it's a great phone and I think it will catch on, but the stock is too much risk.

Palm has always been tight lipped about what they do. Just think, before CES in January, nobody knew about the Pre. Palm was able to develop the phone AND WebOS software without anyone knowing about it. Everyone, I mean everyone, was writing them off. You never heard anyone talking about the Pre until after CES, but then there was all kinds of buzz about it. And then five months went by and there was NO word from Palm about a release date. They refused to talk until the time was right, even when people were coming up with all kinds of stories like they ran out of cash and they were having all kinds of bugs and problems. I think that's professional and that's how it should be done. Report solid facts when they are available and when the time is right and ignore all the naysayers in the meantime.

[bulletstorm]

Listen, Palm Pre wether you like it or not is here to stay. It is not a failure, its a pretty smart phone, with a very good competitive plan on a network that I dont care what anyone says, has the upper hand over ATT any time. Apple Iphone is a great product, I owned both 2G and 3G versions of the iphone. But multitasking is where is at and the Pre has that advantage to say the least.

[jaason]

Ut oh, here come the reports of the iPhone 3gs overheating, thus the product is a FAILURE! On a side note, I dont think I've seen pictures of Pre's overheating like this.

www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/iphone-3gs-handsets-overheat-turn-brown/

[bulletstorm]

That app is called IToast

[jabberwolf]

Looks like Apple has more issues that people like imacgeek can complain about Spint about.

http://reviews.cnet....274498-233.html

http://discussions.a...rt=135&tstart=0



Mac fanatics hypocrisy is hysterical !!

[achristie]

In all fairness (even thought the apple fanboys aren' t very fair when it comes to the Pre), it's hard to tell for sure how wide spread the 3GS problems are. I've seen a number of various complaints about the Pre, but the number of complaints are very small compared to the estimated number of units that sold.

It does make me wonder though, and I'll put out full disclosure that this is nothing more than mere speculation, but I do wonder if Apple rushed the 3GS to market in hopes of limiting the number of iPhone users or iPhone wannabes from jumping ship.

[1MacGeek]

achristie said:

In all fairness (even thought the apple fanboys aren' t very fair when it comes to the Pre),

Now that is funny ! One of the people who made up things and attributed them to me now speaks of fairness. The hypocrisy is about to make my head explode !

achristie said:

it's hard to tell for sure how wide spread the 3GS problems are.

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Unlike Palm, Apple has boatloads of cash to respond to the problem. Even if every unit is defective, Apple can deal with it. Palm cannot deal with every Pre - or even 5 % of them - being defective. I am shocked to no end we didn't hear of a class-action lawsuit being filed against Palm today over battery life, but perhaps I am just jumping the gun. Let's give it two weeks and see what happens.

achristie said:

It does make me wonder though, and I'll put out full disclosure that this
is nothing more than mere speculation, but I do wonder if Apple rushed
the 3GS to market in hopes of limiting the number of iPhone users or
iPhone wannabes from jumping ship.

Apple rush a product to market? Only everything they have ever made.

How many iPod users jump ship every year? I don't think they have decimal places that go small. And they aren't tied to any contracts. They can come and go like the wind, yet they stay. Why? Two reasons : superior products and superior customer service. When my iPhone 3G died, Apple had a new one in my hands in less than 18 hours. I reported the problem at 3 pm, and before 8 am the next day my new iPhone 3G was in my hand. And without one thin dime out of my pocket.

Palm simply doesn't have the resources to match that - they don't even have adequate cash to keep the doors open for six months. They haven't even figured out how to make a profit on 2.5 million smartphones they sold last year ! So I repeat - how in the world will Palm deal with problems like overheating, fending off a sure-to-come lawsuit, and honor warranties without someone stupid enough to hand them a boatload of cash to stave off the inevitable bankruptcy?

On that point, PALM down $0.40 today, $0.12 so far in the after-hours, looking like a very down opening tomorrow. Looks like the adults are taking over again.

[TechieXP]

Very good find.

By the way on that first link, they don't have an App for that?
Here too the crazy Iphone fanatics.
I have the Storm. All smartphones at some point need to reset. We have an application that is call Quick Pull. The application is designed to reset the phone just like pulling the battery which youi can never do with your so-called perfect iPhone and eliminates teh need to press a combo of buttoms. Windows Mobile phones in many cases comes with a programs that resets the phone this way too. At least my Motorola Q9c had it. So uch for Thinking Different. Did Apple even think at all?

Really sad a $500 phone ruens coolers from getting to hot. Why didn't they skin it in aluminum like the Macs...surely that would be better than plastic..right? Most really good phones have a metal back...my Razr did and my Storm does too. Grant it when I game or browser the internet the phone gets pretty warm. But metal will spread the heat around...plastic will not. Plastic will even melt when heat is hitting it in the same place constantly. That is probably why the iPhone is turning colors. So much for fantastic design. I would return it and get the black on. At least you won't see the discoloring.

A picture is worth 1000 words..and it shows ones I like to say. Sometimes you get what you pay for, and sometimes you don't.

And gosh I need to change all those settings to get fair performance on the 3GS....? To much work. I want to just be able to use the phone the way 'I' want when 'I' want. The 'I' in Apple's products means 'iSteve' and 'iApple'...not 'I' the consumer.

[achristie]

1MacGeek:
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? The stock is back up to new highs again. I'm not here to say that's going to continue, because I know what I don't know... I'm just here to point out that you a wrong yet again. It's fun! :)
Oh, and with the continued reports of Pre sales exceeding expectations (reports of over 370,000 units sold in June, 15,000 units being shipped every day, and Palm almost doubling its order from 675,000 units to 1.2 million), it looks like the premise of the article that we're supposed to be commenting on is wrong too. I certainly don't consider that "fizzling". I'd say that's not too shabby!

[Biggkatt01]

Please, can we stop this already. I stopped responding to the comments because its getting a little tired now.

Like I said can we please just agree for this conversation to be over and we have at least some kind of resolution Palm needs to release official numbers they have not and will not, Several media outlets have been trying to get Palm to go on the record and give the hard numbers they refuse to.

Listen IMO the phone isn't that great but as I said IMO, So lets agree some of us like the Pre some of us like the Iphone but when I and others come to this site and say that the Iphone is more popular and we bring verifiable numbers to the conversation don't get upset with us.

Palm could release thier official numbers today through cnn,msnbc.fox or cnbc like Apple did the numbers you are stating are being disbuted by every reputable ecomomist because they won't release official numbers. It's crazy if you pu official numbers out there you would have people ramping up the intrest even more in the device, Developers would brake thier necks to make apps.

But when you have a company that will not release thier official sales numbers every news outlet and not me every trustworthy news outlets are saying the numbers are not correct and Palm isn't as proud of thier sales as they are saying.

If Palm says to people the most anticipated device of this year didn't sell well do you think people would flock to get it ( no ) developers wouldn't waste thier time to make apps. so when you give me the official numbers I will come on this site and give The Palm Pre it's price I'm a man I can do whats right but until then stop with the sales figures that Palm is guestimating.

Oh and by the way did I see a Blackberry storm bama posting on here, Just stop it that phone has been gone their giving it away, get a life your not in this discussion we're talking about 2 popular phones here, beat it

[achristie]

You're contradicting yourself by saying, "can we please stop this conversation" and "I don't respond anymore" then add a bunch of comments after that. If you want to stop the conversation, stop added comments. Or simply, stop paying attention to the converstation.

>>Palm could release thier official numbers today through cnn,msnbc.fox or cnbc like Apple did the numbers you are stating are being disbuted by every reputable ecomomist because they won't release official numbers. It's crazy if you pu official numbers out there you would have people ramping up the intrest even more in the device, Developers would brake thier necks to make apps.<<

They can't keep up with demand as it is. I don't know that it's a good thing to try to generate more. And the SDK isn't ready and won't be ready for a while. I'm fairly certain the sales numbers will be released before the SDK.
>>But when you have a company that will not release thier official sales numbers every news outlet and not me every trustworthy news outlets are saying the numbers are not correct and Palm isn't as proud of thier sales as they are saying.<<
Are you saying that news outlets are reporting that Palm is not proud of their sales number. I'm sorry, but your writing is hard to follow. If that's what your saying, I'm simply not seeing those reports. What I'm seeing is this:

A Skeptic Sees Strong Sales of Palm's Pre

Palm Pre Sales Beating Expectations

mocoNews - Analyst: Palm Pre Has Sold 300,000 Units

Palm Pre News: 370,000 Palm Pre Sold


> {quote:title=}{quote}If Palm says to people the most anticipated device of this year didn't sell well do you think people would flock to get it ( no ) developers wouldn't waste thier time to make apps. so when you give me the official numbers I will come on this site and give The Palm Pre it's price I'm a man I can do whats right but until then stop with the sales figures that Palm is guestimating.



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It's interesting how you speculate about Sprints/Palm's sales and then complain about people speculating in the same paragraph. Wasn't you calling people hypocrits? Perhaps it was 1MacGeek.

[Biggkatt01]

I can see you the type of person that just loves arguments,Sad but here we go to prove you wrong again.

Still no officail Palm sales figures

Palm smartphone shipments drop 62%

I will say it again official sales figures which palm and Sprint still refuse to release. If you wnat to argue about sales figures send a email over to Palm and ask them to release the real number and as i said alot of rebutable analyst still don't believe the sales figures why no official numbers released.

do you know why we are not here debating Apple sales figures because they released the hard figures. But still here we are argueing over the Pre sales the 300,000 units you mention are what they are guessing have been sold in a month not the opening weekend and they have said that out of that 300,000 15% have to be taken off because of faulty units. thats why official numbers are needed.

It's not hard if I have 5 computers for sale and I release officail numbers saying I sold 5 computers those are the numbers, If I say I sold 5 computers and I give no sales figures who knows if I sold those 5 computers.

As I stated PALM RELEASE OFFICIAL NUMBERS and the sales figure argument will stop.

[jabberwolf]

Wow I hate to point out the the stupidity of some iphone fans but in that claim that their sales have dropped over 62%

I wonder if they read past the headline?

"One bright spot: As the Palm Pre launched June 6, and Palm's fiscal
fourth quarter ended May 29, sales of the smartphone were not included
in this quarter's earnings report"

If you wanted the stupid sign, all you needed to do was ask!

"Channel checks suggest Palm (PALM) Pre sales into the channel in June
were above 300,000 units, according to Charter Equity Research analyst
Ed Snyder , plus an estimated 70,000 in May. Snyder contends that the
company has yet to catch up with demand. He says start-up problems with
manufacturing and uncertainty about initial demand limited the number
of phones in stock at launch to about 120,000 units - and that the
inventory was sold in a matter of days"

Maybe there is some truth about them not being able to match the iphone sales and they dont want to put their numbers against that.
But also they ARE having trouble keeping up with demands as many stores are still without, people on back order ( I know of 2), and manufacturing claims that they cannot keep up.

Wait until a fricken month or slightly a week is up will ya?
They did say how many they sold in a weekend and they did sell out.

If you sold 5 computers and there are people investing in those sales, and you make a false claim, you could be sued.
So yes, they are held up to a slightly higher standard.

[davoaxiom]

This is still going on????????

Has apple in fact stated flat out that they have sold not shipped x number of iPhone 3Gs? Cause I haven't seem anything about shortages or them selling out at all. There is a big huge difference between shipping to retailer and in fact selling the product to a real end user. It has been a standard practice of the record industry for years, to insure that an album goes gold or platinum by shipping 500,000 copies on release day. Sure most of those copies may end up in the cut out bin or are shipped back 6 months later but the band still gets it gold record.

Another thing I've noticed is that a majority of those buying iPhones are upgrading. Unlike the release of the last two versions, there wasn't long lines and there doesn't seem to be this mass exit of people leaving other carries to get the iPhone. So I truly doubt there is any real growth in users. It seems that the lower price was supposed to draw those that stayed with Sprint and Verizon because of the higher price of the iPhone. Everyone seems to have stayed put. Granted this I'm not sure how many people dumped there iBrick to get a Pre.

OK let's break this down.

iphone has a built in world wide client base that has been building for the last two years - vs - Pre- New product with no client base

iPhone shipped at least 1,000,000 units in a world wide market on release day - vs - Pre that shipped anywhere from 100,000 to 300,000 units on release and only in the US. For all we know the US numbers could be a lot closer then you think. It would surprise me if the US market only saw 200,000 iPhones.

iPhone didn't sell out on release day in most markets - vs - Pre that did sell out on release day in most markets. This is a number game, I'm sure that palm shipped a lot less then apple but apple toted a number of pre-sale numbers even going as far as saying that they were sold out which seems to not be the case since I've read a number of accounts that people walked off the street and bought a 3Gs.

iPhone has spent millions on TV ads that have been running almost non-stop since the spring of 2007. The name is well branded and is also tied in with the whole apple i line. - VS - Pre not being advertised outside of a few internet ads and internet and industry hype that started in the spring of 2009.

iPhone sells numbers are being released by apple - vs - Pre sells are all speculation. Though most of the press I've seen have been credited to either "sources at apple" or "apple" with no date or reference to the source. Apple has built their business on hype about their products and endless TV spots.


The thing with hype and fades is they die quickly and they die hard. You see their target customers are the type that tend to like to feel they are on the cutting edge and in the know. As soon as they start seeing the teethless, white trash, knocked up 20 something with the 3 kids in tow surfing the web on their iPhone while waiting in line at Walmart, their iPhone will not seem as shinny, hip or cutting edge and start jumping ship. Who knows where they will land maybe on a Pre, maybe on a Blackberry or maybe on one of the many Google phones but they are going to leave, Throw their iPhone in the box with their DAT player, walkman, Sega, and countless other outdated products.

[Biggkatt01]

Yes it seems we are because we have some Palm fans that refuse to face facts.

First, lets say this again there are no hard numbers for Pre sales analyst are puttin the numbers at between 50,000 and 100,000, as I stated before and keep saying until Palm releases the hard numbers and fess up they didn't sell the numbers you are refering because they can't be verified.Palm has this speculation on sales going on if they come out and realese the numbers then you wouldknow for sure how many sold and you could come here and say there were such and such units sold you can't do that because there are no hard numbers.

Second,it has already been verified through unbiased news media Cnn,Msnbc,Money Magazine,The Wall Street Journal, Furtune Magazine,that the new Iphone3Gs sold over 1million units not shipped sold over that number they shipped more units than that, and the pre orders for the Iphone 3Gs sold out of pre orders what was 400,000 unitsNo they didn't sell out because they had the capital to have the supplies on hand.

Third, Palm did not have the capital to market the Pre worldwide they only had the capital to produce the units they had, its easy to say they sold out when they didn't have a good supply on hand. Now they are scrambling to get out supplys which they are having trouble with.

Fourth, its called advertising thats the reason the name and brand was out there apple had the funds and financing to produce the original product and market it, hence the super sales. Palm had no marketing and couldn't get enough funding to get more units produce Palms fault.

Fifth, and as with your other point check the unbaised sites again the Iphone also pulled big numbers away from the other wireless carriers, a major number of sales went to new activations again as verified.

To finish maybe next year the popularity of the iphone will die and the Pre will catch on but facts are facts sales are sales popularity is popularity so I wish you Palm fans can stop with calling people crasy and stupid because they have the phone that they want you call it hype I caall it good marketing Apple marketed a product and is making a ton of money on it, Palm wishes there phone was so hyped.

Lets put te shoe on the other foot if the Iphone didn't have any sales figures and the Pre had sold over 1 million phones you palm fans would be gloating. It's not and havn't so get over it.

Come on man you Palm fans need to be fair the Pre is doing so so just not as great as the Iphone, Let it go accept it help to market it but stop hating.

[TechieXP]

Actually its more of Apple fans who can't let go.
You all live in a world of fantasy where you think Apple is a leader simply bec they go lucky.
You seem to think for a device to be considered to be successful it has to sell with equal or better numbers...of that if your and MacGeeks logic that means all the hardware Apple has every designed up and ultil iPod are all failures right?

Dell sells 15 millions computers in a single quarter while Apple old sells 2.5 million. Apple must be a failure.
Apple has sold several million units of ipHone and MSFT has sold only a few 100,000 Zunes so they must be a failure.
Sure the Zune wasn't widely accepted as the iPod, but i don't think MSFT was trying to control the market...they simply were trying ot compete.
Competition does not mean you will be a leader in a market....it means you will compete in a given one. That is where you iPhone worshipers are confused.
The iPhone is popular bec it is an iPod that makes phone calls. IPad is a great product and better than any before its time...well DUH! It a 21st cebtruy device it should be. But the iPhone is the same toy and it is a fad that always fade over tie. It is simply todays new fad...just like BB was yesterdays new fad..tomorrow it will be someone else...enjoy it while you can.

Based on some facts what we don't know is this...if Palm has the money to MFR 1,000,000 units by release day and had the all avail in stores we don't know how many they could have actually sold. That fcat that they have release close to 1/2 that much and yet can't keep any stick shows the phone is a hot sought after device. It may not do as well as iPhone...but so what...the fcat that several 100,000 are buying it shows the device is not afailure.

If you fill it is than let list ALL of APple's failures to start...That would mean Apple's only 2 succesful devices in their history would be Apple II and iPod. What about teh rest. Based on your logic they are failures compared to pther offers. And to this day that would mean the ac is still a failure bec in 40 years they have only double totalled sales...why new companies like Acer are already out selling Apple 4 to 1. So that again means based on your and MacGeek logics...Apple is a failure and in in this 20th century has 1 succesful device while everyone else has several. RIMM has 3, LG has about 3...Google already has 1 with more coming and Plam has 1 and counting...while hey are are going to release several sucessful device, Apple is still stuck at one. Why? Bec they can't even innovate their own device...and like there computers they do only an incrmental change and charge more...in this case they didn't change the price that simply lowered the cost of the rest...why? bec they wanted to steal Pre thunder hoping more ppl will buy an iPhone. But many didn not. Problem is they are locked into contacts that will cost to much to switch and they also know the phone and ATT aren't worth switching for.

Iphone is not the best phone, it is simply the most hyped phone. Apple has spent billions aking sure they ake their money back. However even RIMM doesn't advertise that much and they are still the smartphone leader...and screw acGeek saying RIMM is basically giving them away. So Apple drop in price on iPhone isn't giving them away? Lets see...RIMM did a buy one get one free for a few months...199 for 2 phones is still 99 each....its not a total lose. No more than it is for Apple to drop the cost to 99.....I see it as the same...and RIMMis also releaseing newer devices...so it only makes since to drop prices. Isnt that what ALL companies do when they release a nw device? Oh wait I fogot one usually doesn't...APPLE. This is the first tie in Apple's history that I wantech them drop a price on an item be a new one hit the shelves...with there pc's they don't lower the ptice of the previous item...they siply raise the cost on the new one.

One of the reasons I am starting to hate Apple's device is bec of how you all act about them. Its a frikkin phone and it is not the best one at that.
What I also find amazing is this...FACT...Apple jumped into a brand new market and dominated it in less than 3 years...yet they have been in another market for over 40 and they ahve barely made a dent. That would mean by all accounts based on your logic...Apple as a company is a failure...wowo so great Apple is.

[davoaxiom]

The stock problem may not be capitol cause Apple is now saying they may see shortages in the near future due to lack of supplies. So if Apple can't get units out don't you think there maybe some truth to this whole supply problem.

Have I ever said that apple didn't have more capitol to spend on advertising? I think the point that I was making was that Apple's advertising may have more to do with their sells then their product.

Really you want to call one internet media source better than another? Do you understand that CNN, MSNBC, Money Magazine, The Wall Street Journal and Future Magazine all have cut back on their staff and relie almost soully off of the APP? Also I believe the all have sold advertising to Apple and the sources that they all tend to list are "sources at Apple" and press releases from Apple. Are you really going to trust the numbers that Apple releases? This is the company that covered up the fact that their poster child CEO was in extermely poor health and maybe sued by it's shareholders. How about some thrid party sources. Facts lines were shorter, they only sold out on the presales at Best Buy and Apple stores in the US and many are now sitting on the shelves collecting dust. I'm telling you that sold is double speak for shipped at Big Brother Apple.

Here's a couple of them great mainstream sources you love so much

http://blogs.barrons...e-analyst-says/

http://voices.washin.../07/post-reviewthoughtson_palms.html?hpid=sec-tech

OH this will ad another $10 to the monthly bill

http://apple20.blogs...kes-a-bad-turn/

so much for another function added to the mighty iPhone. I'd like to point out that Sprint Navagation is included with the Sprint Everything Plan and the app ships with the phone. iUsers welcome to the wonderful world of TomTom subscriptions. By the way, is the MMS going to be included in your $20 unlimited Text Messages or well the lovely AT&T stick you with another fee once they release this 10 year old feature? No device on the planet would make me put up with the baiting and switching and nickel and diming of AT&T. I guess an iSucker and his money were lucky enough to get together in the first place.

[Biggkatt01]

This will be my last comment on the topic in this forum, I grow tired of the argueing.
Blah blah blah, We don't know how much the Pre would have sold we don't know how much the Instinct would have sold we don't know how much the Voyager would have sold we don't know how much the Storm would have sold, It goes on and on but year after year the Iphone sells like crazy call it what you want but I call it the leader.

If they had the backing they would have shipped more units if they were so confident in the device they would have had the financing if it was so ground breaking financers would have been breaking thier necks to get on board it didn't happen so as I said LET IT GO.

I don't worship the Iphone I luv it, And I luv it because I don't need to lug around my laptop with me every where anymore, I do it all from my Iphone. But someone will come out with a phone that will dethrone the iphone from it's place, But it ain't the Pre.

We went through this same with all the phones I listed above, Evreyone said they were better than the Iphone, But still it's there, Still it's selling like mad cakes.

And if Apple had of decided to release it on another carrier you would be on here even more upset because it would be selling on that carrier like mad cakes to.

So could you please just be men and women and give Apple it's props no matter what you think or say they brought a juggernaut to the market and consumers went wild for it now everyone is playing catchup .

We can argue and throw statistics back and fourth Apple has verified sales figures Palm doesn't if palm had verified sales figures we wouldn't be going back and fourth on Palm's sales figures. it's the same game Rim played with the Storm it's the same game Htc did with the G1, But the G1 is the closest better selling phone to the Iphone. The Storm and the G1 were supposed to out sell the Iphone they didn't and those companies were upset aswell, But just release the numbers and let the chips fall where they may.

This is the point the Pre was a sucess for current Sprint customers, But it did bnot do what Palm hoped to pull customers away from the other carriers in large numbers it didn't do that and it wasn't.

The Pre's biggest selling point was multi tasking and a removable battery, Oh and the physical keyboard tht just wasn't enough to get people to say I just have to have this Phone the Iphone was a game changer the G1 is going to be a game changer, But not the Pre it just isn't t it .

Also the App store in May passed 1 Billion downloads and as of May is producing 1 million dollars in revenue dailey for Apple, so if you beleive having units on the street doesn't make a difference your sick in the head, If you think not have a ton of apps available makes no difference than your and idiot.

The business plan that Palm had for this device was and is horrible, So stop calling us Apple fan boys for liking our phones in my opinion it's just childesh jealousy, Why don't you spend most of your time contacting Palm and Sprint to get them to make improvments to it. go over to the Pre forum and leave some helpful thoughts on how you can help Palm make the device and the hype around the device better.

We may be Apple fan boys, But at least we try to get Apple to make the device better just like alot of so called Apple fan boys are upset at the lack of improvements to the latest Iphone, But we are letting Apple know how we feel not ignoring the problem like you Palm fan boys are get on them about the lack of stock get on them about the lack of marketing get on them about the lack of hyp. When the device was first shown analyst thought it would come out the gate like a bullet now where is the hype gone , Because most of the analyst were upset with the lack of units on the street the lack of marketing and the numerous problems with the device hence the bashing of the phone.

And as I said before had Palm made a better decission and released it on Verizon it would have been a better release I know Verizon puts alot of junk on thier phones but at least they would have bum barded the airwaves with commercials and all that like they did the Storm, But the storm just wasn't I good phone the Pre is a way better phone then the Storm and would have done way better with Verizon.

So to end this let it go I luv my Iphone it is selling great and the Pre has to catch up thats just the facts and the facts and sales don't lie you can try to deny deny deny all you wan't, But like I said be men accept it and head on over to the Pre forums and let Palm know what they can do to get the phone to sell.

Oh and here is a parting gift for you all. .

[1MacGeek]

davoaxiom said:

This is the company that covered up the fact that their poster child CEO
was in extermely poor health and maybe sued by it's shareholders.

I am sorry, but there is just so much ignorance and misinformation I can can stand at one time, and this doozy rang the bell.

If you knew squat about SEC rules, you would know that a CEO is NOT required to inform anyone, not the board, not the public, about his/her medical condition. Any lawyer who sues Apple on this basis will very quickly find themselves up on sanctions, and deservedly so.

Now, as much as Palm refuses to release any hard information, and Apple will, there is this little "leak" from AT&T. I know you won't click through, so a few highlights :

*2. "iLaunch day 2009 was one for the record books, as AT&T customers scrambled to get their hands on the fastest, most powerful iPhone yet.

Here's a look at some of the milestones we achieved:

* Best-ever sales day in our retail stores
* Second-largest traffic day in our retail stores
* Most transactions processed via our IT systems in a single day
* Most upgrade eligibility checks in a single day
* Largest order day in att.com history
* Largest features sales day in att.com history

On this year's launch day, iPhone sales exceeded sales recorded on 2008's iPhone launch day, Black Friday 2008 and Dec. 26, 2008 ? all heavy-volume sales days. In fact, this year we surpassed 2008's launch day sales at about noon Central time, and sustained our previous peak hour record, also set in 2008, for 11 straight hours.*

This should put to rest - once and for all - about shipped vs. sold iPhones.

No matter what else has been said, it is fact Pres are not selling at the pace iPhones are selling.

No matter what else has been said, this means the Pre has failed at Palm's stated goal of the Pre being an iPhone killer.

No matter what else has been said, there has not been a mass migration away from iPhone to Pre.

No matter what else has been said, Palm still has less than six months cash on hand.

No matter what else has been said, CNBC can't be lying when they report Pre sales are off 20% week-over-week or Palm would sue them.

No matter what else has been said, the market has voted and the iPhone is still the undisputed champ and the Pre just another beaten and bloodied challenger that will soon join many others on the ash heap of history.

It's not a matter of is it fizzling, the evidence is there - the Pre HAS fizzled.

[Biggkatt01]

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