Do I Need a 1080p HDTV?
#3
Posted 27 June 2009 - 02:36 AM
#4
Posted 27 June 2009 - 04:53 AM
Actually, there is HD, and then there is FULL-HD.
HD was a marketing term used before (now) and like in the case of audio amplifiers measured power in Watts, unscrupulous sellers came up with ridiculous ratings such as 1000 Watts, when in fact the actual Continuous RMS (Root Mean Square) at a certain frequency bandwidth (20Hz ~ 20,000Hz) at a certain level of distortion (0.01%) was in effect in the mere miliwatt, if at all possible (due to the ridicously high intermodulation and harmonic distortions)... Thus the FTC came up with legislation requiring some sanity and honesty in terms of specifications for audio Hi-Fi amplifiers...
Now that True HD is here, there is only ONE resolution that is: 1920 pixels horizontal by 1080 pixels vertical.
The 1080i or 1080p designations are irrelevant as all sources of pictures are recorded, and broadcasted in ONE format, which is 1080i (which means interlaced).
While using scanning technologies, such as provided by the CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) requiring electro-magnetic deflection of an electron beam(s) hitting a phosphorescent technique to produce a 'moving' image, the interlaced means sweeping the beam across the entire surface of the display. In effect, the picture a viewer sees is composed of only one spot (pixel) swept and turned on/off appropriately across the screen producing an entire image.
Nowadays, using digital technologies for display screens, there is no need to sweep an electron beam at all, simply address each pixel individually turning them on/off appropriately in the matrix (horizontal) x (vertical). Thus the 1080p designation which means progressive.
Progressive isn't any better than interlaced visually, just simpler and cheaper to implement. In effect you get LESS technology in between you and the ultimate Picture Quality (PQ). But less means more, since there are NO artifacts introduced while 'progressively' displaying one picture frame at a time.
That said, off the air HD broadcasts are of the 1080i flavor, thus a 1080p TV set must recombine in the digital time domain a full picture and display it 60 times per second from an original alternating (odd/even) frame half picture sent 30 times per second...
Due to bandwidth limitations, IPTV (NetFlix and the like), HD cable and HD satellite usually use the lower resolution (720) and call it HD.
Bottom line is it ISN'T Full-HD.
Regardless, some of the better broadcasters out there especially those not for profit, such as PBS transmit off the air, in Full-HD at 1080i (interlaced).
If your HD TV set is for real, meaning Full-HD (1080i/p) and not a subset of HD, such as 720, or some intermediate native resolution (1366 horizontal x whatever vertical), that means you will be able to enjoy the state-of-the-art in terms of HD.
If there were no charlatans out there, there would be no need for Full-HD.
Any transcoding is BAD as it introduces artifacts (distortions) in the PQ. Thus the best available HD PQ would be Full-HD @ 1920 horiz x 1080 vert...
Coming back to the short answer: Yes you need a Full-HD 1920x1080 native resolution display to avoid any PQ degradation. (p) or (i) is irrelevant to resolution. Diagonal size of the screen is also irrelevant to resolution and PQ.
The rest is crap! And a lie! You are being ripped-off, if your screen isn't native 1920x1080 resolution. Even a 16" laptop can be Full-HD, take for instance a Dell Studio XPS 16 @ 1920x1080 (non-interlaced = p).
Note that a 1920x1080i broadcast signal can be viewed on a lesser (720) screen, and still look better than your regular non-HD TV. But you are not getting the full picture in its full glory.
For DVD's Blu-Ray players deliver 1080p at the signal level, meaning your HDTV won't have to recombine odd/even alternating frames. That's it. That's all. Nothing more. Nothing less. But it won't look any better. That depends on your HDTV other qualities, such as dynamic contrast ratio, black level, luminance level, chrominance spectrum gamut, and a slew of other factors... Upconverted DVD @ 480 are a joke as far as PQ is concerned.
(!) Remember:
h4. Any Form Of Transcoding or Up/Down-Converting is BAD !
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#5
Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:13 AM
The reason Dish-HD has the worst PQ of HD satellite is their use of a bastardized 'Turbo-FEC' MPEG4 encoding proprietary (non-standard) variant, designed to cram more channels, into less-bandwidth, to maximize profits. Same bandwidth limitations apply to others IPTV, such as NetFlix. Low PQ in HD is the result... Just look at youtubeHD. What a joke!
That said, it's better than regular TV, or regular youtube.... Thanks for that. :D
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#7
Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:51 AM
I have a few wedding videos that are on 720p that takes just half the file size of 1080p. I looked at both and I couldn't tell the difference
I should also say that 720p is fabulous compared to 480i because they are like Elephant Vs Ant in terms of picture quality. 720p is a lot clearer, sharper and nicer.
#8
Posted 30 June 2009 - 10:15 AM
#9
Posted 30 June 2009 - 11:57 AM
RickB4120 said:
It more than just the broadcast signal...it is also a function of what the shows were taped in. The reality is that NONE of the major networks currently broadcast 1080p content to my knowledge. The only 1080p content is some pay-per-view movies that some satellite companies broadcast in and BluRay (or HD-DVD if you have one) player play in and maybe some downloaded video content.
#10
Posted 30 June 2009 - 12:20 PM
WinTard said:
Actually, there is HD, and then there is FULL-HD.
HD was a marketing term used before (now) and like in the case of audio amplifiers measured power in Watts, unscrupulous sellers came up with ridiculous ratings such as 1000 Watts, when in fact the actual Continuous RMS (Root Mean Square) at a certain frequency bandwidth (20Hz ~ 20,000Hz) at a certain level of distortion (0.01%) was in effect in the mere miliwatt, if at all possible (due to the ridicously high intermodulation and harmonic distortions)... Thus the FTC came up with legislation requiring some sanity and honesty in terms of specifications for audio Hi-Fi amplifiers...
Now that True HD is here, there is only ONE resolution that is: 1920 pixels horizontal by 1080 pixels vertical.
Nope. 720p is "true" HD. It is just not as high a resolution HD as 1080i or 1080p.
Since you like to quote Wikipedia so much (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definitiontelevision#High-definitiondisplay_resolutions):
"High Definition usually refers to 720 or more lines of video format resolution displayed in a horizontal fashion from top to bottom."
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While using scanning technologies, such as provided by the CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) requiring electro-magnetic deflection of an electron beam(s) hitting a phosphorescent technique to produce a 'moving' image, the interlaced means sweeping the beam across the entire surface of the display. In effect, the picture a viewer sees is composed of only one spot (pixel) swept and turned on/off appropriately across the screen producing an entire image.
Nowadays, using digital technologies for display screens, there is no need to sweep an electron beam at all, simply address each pixel individually turning them on/off appropriately in the matrix (horizontal) x (vertical). Thus the 1080p designation which means progressive.
Progressive isn't any better than interlaced visually, just simpler and cheaper to implement. In effect you get LESS technology in between you and the ultimate Picture Quality (PQ). But less means more, since there are NO artifacts introduced while 'progressively' displaying one picture frame at a time.
Oh, yes, progressive is better visually than interlaced. A 1080p picture has twice the data as a 1080i picture. A single frame of 1080p contains the full content of the frame. A single frame of 1080i will contain half the content and needs the second frame to complete the "full" picture. All this is done in the same amount of time. As a result, your mind/eyes must "interpolate" the missing content for 1080i. The result is that you will "see" artifacts and blurring even though it is technically not there.
The point is that what your mind sees is more than just the resolution. In the end, a true progressive scan picture is always better than an interlaced picture.
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Due to bandwidth limitations, IPTV (NetFlix and the like), HD cable and HD satellite usually use the lower resolution (720) and call it HD.
Bottom line is it ISN'T Full-HD.
Regardless, some of the better broadcasters out there especially those not for profit, such as PBS transmit off the air, in Full-HD at 1080i (interlaced).
If your HD TV set is for real, meaning Full-HD (1080i/p) and not a subset of HD, such as 720, or some intermediate native resolution (1366 horizontal x whatever vertical), that means you will be able to enjoy the state-of-the-art in terms of HD.
If there were no charlatans out there, there would be no need for Full-HD.
Any transcoding is BAD as it introduces artifacts (distortions) in the PQ. Thus the best available HD PQ would be Full-HD @ 1920 horiz x 1080 vert...
Coming back to the short answer: Yes you need a Full-HD 1920x1080 native resolution display to avoid any PQ degradation. (p) or (i) is irrelevant to resolution. Diagonal size of the screen is also irrelevant to resolution and PQ.
The rest is crap! And a lie! You are being ripped-off, if your screen isn't native 1920x1080 resolution. Even a 16" laptop can be Full-HD, take for instance a Dell Studio XPS 16 @ 1920x1080 (non-interlaced = p).
Nope. You will NEVER notice the difference between a 1080p and 720p picture on a 16" screen at typical TV sitting distances. And that is precisely why most smaller HDTVs (i.e. less than 30") do NOT come in 1080p. If you are sitting about 6 feet from the TV, then you will NEVER notice the benefit of a 1080p program on a 30" HDTV...and if someone sold you that TV rather than the cheaper 720p HDTV, then they are ripping you off.
Whether or not you gain the full benefit of a particular HD resolution/format is a function of screen size and distance you sit from the TV:
Graphic from the following page: http://www.carltonba...oads/resolutionchart.png, which is references in this article: http://tech.yahoo.com/blog/null/8807;ylt=AlnUbSA7XVuPm3FvADmw74xqMZA5
#11
Posted 30 June 2009 - 01:14 PM
720p gives you 60 FRAMES (not fields) per second. 1080p doesn't.
So, for liquid smooth animation, you'll usually want to set up a game console (or PC hooked up to an HDTV) to play in 720p mode (or even 480p - some games there's no visible difference).
#12
Posted 05 October 2009 - 06:12 PM
ToyotaTundra, on 24 June 2009 - 07:57 AM, said:
#14
Posted 05 October 2009 - 10:47 PM
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