Amazon Removes E-Books From Kindle Store, Revokes Ownership
#2
Posted 18 July 2009 - 12:44 AM
#4
Posted 18 July 2009 - 07:59 AM
"It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."
Somwhere, the spirit of Eric Blair is laughing.
#7
Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:31 AM
Is Kindle the last word? Very unlikely. Will we laugh about pulp-publishing someday? Absolutely. Paper? Wasn't that really common for many centuries?
Where did the word "dial" a phone number come from anyway?
Enjoy the ride!
#8
Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:44 AM
#9
Posted 18 July 2009 - 11:57 AM
Bottom line: beware - the plug CAN be pulled!
#10
Posted 18 July 2009 - 12:15 PM
And purchasers don't own -the rights- of the content... but they DO own their own purchased physical copy of the content. That's inescapable. No, publishers/vendors can't 'recall' the copy of the content... unless perhaps they can show a danger to the public, not likely. Or we become a police-state dictatorship tyranny.
But I don't mind buying digital copies that I can backup to my own hardcopy, physical storage... that some vendor can-not- 'revoke'.
This incident is one more reason I'll never 'subscribe' to content as a utility... what I pay for to listen to or read -is- my property to listen to or read, however I want, or to give away that item itself just as I'd give away a book, as long as I don't duplicate it for others en masse.
This 'revocation' -is- evil... and shouldn't be tolerated. Once offered to the public, existing purchases should be seen as irrevocable contracts of ownership for the buyer. Nobody can publish a physical book for sale, stop selling it and then demand/force the purchasers to return it... so should it be 'online'.
Amazon will not go unscathed by the public... if only in loss of customers. I won't purchase a 'rental' device, storage, or subscription.
#11
Posted 18 July 2009 - 01:18 PM
#12
Posted 18 July 2009 - 01:36 PM
#13
Posted 18 July 2009 - 01:44 PM
This move makes it extremely unlikely that I will ever buy a Kindle, even though I had been considering one up to now.
The damage to Amazon's reputation is also huge. I tend not to forget when vendors have treated me or others badly. I will never buy another HP scanner or any Logitech device because of software problems I have had with them in the past. And I won't buy a book at Walden's because they took Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" off the shelf in a reponse to Muslim threats.
Consumers have long memories. What Amazon did will hurt it for years to come.
If I buy something, I assume that I own what I bought, and that the seller can't take it back. That seems so fundamental that I can hardly wait to see how this move of Amazon's plays out in the courts.
#14
Posted 18 July 2009 - 03:46 PM
#15
Posted 18 July 2009 - 06:24 PM
It's ironic - at a supernatural level - that Orwell's works would figure in this!
Just the idea that agencies -- private is outrageous -- public is downright scary -- can reach into your hardware to delete (and modify?) stored material!
I agree with several commentators – Kindle is (or should be!) finished. It might be a good idea for fans of this kind of ‘service’ to have read Orwell before signing up, eh?
#17
Posted 18 July 2009 - 06:55 PM
You do not “own” the story, even when you buy a physical book. Nor do you “own” the music that’s on the CD. You merely own the medium on which is it stored. Hence you are still “borrowing” the actually content regardless of what paper, HD, CD, flash, etc. you have it on. It’s just that one may be more volatile and require a functional reader. For the book, it’s merely your brain that is a reader for that specific language. But once your eyes go…you cannot enlarge that without a magnifying glass if you still want to read it by then.
And if you consider “owning” a CD so much different from an iTune…those who are old enough prolly bought some of their music like 5 times. 8-track, vinyls, cassette tapes, CD’s, iPod… Hey, if you were really money-conscious and didn’t care about degradation, you could have recorded your 8-track album all the way up to an mp3…but then you would likely be violating some rights in doing so albeit having to spend a lot of time and money on the latest recording systems.
All in all, you are simply paying for the method by which you consume the content…not the content itself. And it’s just a matter of personal preference how you want to consume it. You own jack!
#18
Posted 18 July 2009 - 09:00 PM
Here's a direct quote from engadget.com that has a comment from Amazon:
"Drew Herdener, Amazon.com's Director of Communications: "These books were added to our catalog using our self-service platform by a third-party who did not have the rights to the books. When we were notified of this by the rights holder, we removed the illegal copies from our systems and from customers' devices, and refunded customers. We are changing our systems so that in the future we will not remove books from customers' devices in these circumstances.""
If this is the case I have no problem with Amazon being able to do this..
#19
Posted 19 July 2009 - 03:38 AM
Other then paying my bills online, (I always get a paper invoice) I don't rely on the Internet at all!
If what I see happening in Washington takes it's normal course, this country will be bankrupt and everything having to do with online at all will be gone. Don't laugh, we just can't print money at will, no matter who says we can. Our Government is so corrupt, it doesn't even resemble itself!
Now, what's next? Cloud computing! Now you rent apps themselves, and your OS? Talk about totally depending on promises. Not this guy!!!
Rule of life from my dead Grandfather, a Buffalo cop: Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. Never trust ANYBODY EVER! If you live by these rules, believe me; you'll never be dissapointed. He was very wise.
#20
Posted 19 July 2009 - 06:07 AM
I suppose the horror of one click censorship is offest by the environemental gains. After all, when there are no more books, we won't have to have huge bonfires to burne them. Maybe that is what "Kindle" really means.
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