[KStrawn]

The main reason why Linux only accompanies 1% of PCs is because 97% of people don't even know about Linux. This is plain evil of Micro$oft to blind the world! And, the reason why there are few Linux device drivers is because M$FT is pushing developers of devices to not make them! WHY?!?!?! Linux is better performing than Window$, take it from real performance tests! And, who needs licensing and product keys, anyway? Linux licensing actually allows people to copy, develop, redistribute, and even custom-make, Linux with very litttle restriction! Window$, on the other hand, uses product keys and WGA to get M$FT's point across about not installing Windows on multiple PCs. With Linux, it's a free world. I'm surprised that the global economy isn't designed like the GPL. I have always been dreaming about a concept of "openism" regarding economics. Seriously, considering the state the econnomy is in, it's time for that.

This post has been edited by smax013: 28 August 2009 - 07:32 PM
Reason for edit: removed profanity, even if kind of disguised

[KStrawn]

Believe me, I made a point there: Why settle for Windows when there is Linux and it's free? Linux is also better performing than Windows, plus, it does recognize more hardware now (it used to not). The only reason why I don't have Linux on my desktop is mentioned in this post. There are some hardware vendors who can't see the benefits! Anyway, I am thinking of putting ads for Linux on YouTube showing people how well Linux performs, as well as showing off the GPL and the fact that Linux is free, just to end Micro$uck torture! The reason why I am waiting is because I don't have (but want) a camcorder, and I am thinking of either saving up for one for Xmas or getting a job (since I am 16 years old) and saving up for one, so I can film my Acer Aspire One with Moblin Linux booting alongside my AMD Phenom X4 9750 home-built desktop with Windows 7 RC, letting millions of YouTube viewers see the benefits of Linux.

This post has been edited by KStrawn: 01 September 2009 - 03:50 PM

[keyfitter]

KStrawn, on 28 August 2009 - 01:25 PM, said:

The main reason why Linux only accompanies 1% of PCs is because 97% of people don't even know about Linux. This is plain evil of Micro$oft to blind the world! And, the reason why there are few Linux device drivers is because M$FT is pushing developers of devices to not make them! WHY?!?!?! Linux is better performing than Window$, take it from real performance tests! And, who needs licensing and product keys, anyway? Linux licensing actually allows people to copy, develop, redistribute, and even custom-make, Linux with very litttle restriction! Window$, on the other hand, uses product keys and WGA to get M$FT's point across about not installing Windows on multiple PCs. With Linux, it's a free world. I'm surprised that the global economy isn't designed like the GPL. I have always been dreaming about a concept of "openism" regarding economics. Seriously, considering the state the econnomy is in, it's time for that.

I'm certainly no fan of Micro$oft, but I can't say they they are being evil as much as they are protecting business interests. How ethical they are in protecting those interests is another story. It's up to us to promote Linux anyway that we can, without any help from the competition. I repair computers and have a website which I also use to help people get started with Linux. Once in awhile I can talk someone into letting me set them up with a dual boot machine. Thats usually after I let them play with Ubuntu on one of mine. My own personal choice is Vector Linux (built on Slackware) but it's not what I would call a perfect choice for newbies.

Donating to a favorite distro and certain other open source developers such as openoffice.org and VLC (just to name a few) helps a lot.
With a growing Linux population, hardware vendors are becoming more inclined to support Linux than they were, even five years ago. So,
if enough of us keep doing our part to promote Linux, MS Winblows may someday be a lot smaller part of the desktop market.

[KStrawn]

keyfitter, on 08 September 2009 - 04:50 PM, said:

I'm certainly no fan of Micro$oft, but I can't say they they are being evil as much as they are protecting business interests. How ethical they are in protecting those interests is another story. It's up to us to promote Linux anyway that we can, without any help from the competition. I repair computers and have a website which I also use to help people get started with Linux. Once in awhile I can talk someone into letting me set them up with a dual boot machine. Thats usually after I let them play with Ubuntu on one of mine. My own personal choice is Vector Linux (built on Slackware) but it's not what I would call a perfect choice for newbies.

Donating to a favorite distro and certain other open source developers such as openoffice.org and VLC (just to name a few) helps a lot.
With a growing Linux population, hardware vendors are becoming more inclined to support Linux than they were, even five years ago. So,
if enough of us keep doing our part to promote Linux, MS Winblows may someday be a lot smaller part of the desktop market.

I agree, and, news flash! I just put Mint 7 on my desktop. Here's what I like about it: Mint 7 recognizes the WMP600N right off the bat, something few Linux distros do. It loads in seconds, runs application updates, and does everything Windows can do, minus gaming. I'm surprised people still like Windows when Linux is just as good! Linux is the most reliable of the OSes as well. It never crashes all the way unless you kill a system process. This is because Linux keeps the GUI and kernel separate. Since an underpowerful graphics card is the main cause of many PC crashes, it doesn't crash that often because the graphics card isn't running at the core. So the result is a shell screen. But tell me: Would you rather have a Blue Screen of Death or a shell? I'd pick the latter.

[lexon]

I have been using Linux since 12-2003. Just have no need of Windows. Recently purchased a new laptop with Vista Basic. Forgot how complicated and trouble some Windows could be. Installed Mint 7 on the laptop. Never, ever any drive maintenance or anti virus needed. Linux is the anti virus.
Yes, I know this is annoying to Windows users.

lex

[KStrawn]

lexon, on 08 September 2009 - 06:47 PM, said:

I have been using Linux since 12-2003. Just have no need of Windows. Recently purchased a new laptop with Vista Basic. Forgot how complicated and trouble some Windows could be. Installed Mint 7 on the laptop. Never, ever any drive maintenance or anti virus needed. Linux is the anti virus.
Yes, I know this is annoying to Windows users.

lex

I selected the "Use Entire Disk" option in the Mint installer, effectively wiping out both Vista and Win7 RC. I replaced both virus-ridden operating systems with Linux Mint 7, in turn wiping out the viruses. Now, no more hassles!

This post has been edited by KStrawn: 08 September 2009 - 07:09 PM

[KStrawn]

lexon, on 08 September 2009 - 06:47 PM, said:

I have been using Linux since 12-2003. Just have no need of Windows. Recently purchased a new laptop with Vista Basic. Forgot how complicated and trouble some Windows could be. Installed Mint 7 on the laptop. Never, ever any drive maintenance or anti virus needed. Linux is the anti virus.
Yes, I know this is annoying to Windows users.

lex

I have to admit: The reason I selected "Use Entire Disk" to install Linux Mint is because it recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter on Live boot! It also is very reliable, and did I mention it's free?

[quackadilly]

lexon, on 08 September 2009 - 06:47 PM, said:

I have been using Linux since 12-2003. Just have no need of Windows. Recently purchased a new laptop with Vista Basic. Forgot how complicated and trouble some Windows could be. Installed Mint 7 on the laptop. Never, ever any drive maintenance or anti virus needed. Linux is the anti virus.
Yes, I know this is annoying to Windows users.

lex

Likewise.... I have no downtime from drive maintenance. I have no downtime for AV. I don't even get any viruses. I use XP, Vista and 7.




I'll help you guys out with a concept.



99% OF PROBLEMS ARE USER CAUSED.

[pie6nin]

I totally agree, but I don't think microsoft's THAT evil, (although they're not the smartest guys ever) I would use linux so more often if more applications/drivers were there, although I hear mint helps a bit...

[KStrawn]

pie6nin, on 09 September 2009 - 01:23 PM, said:

I totally agree, but I don't think microsoft's THAT evil, (although they're not the smartest guys ever) I would use linux so more often if more applications/drivers were there, although I hear mint helps a bit...

Like I said, Mint 7 recognizes every piece of hardware I throw at it. It recognized my Wi-Fi adapter. It recgonizes my wireless networked printer. It recognizes my graphics card. It recognizes everything! And the only driver I had to install is the one for the ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO graphics card, which installed automatically. I also saw my TV Wonder on the list of supported TV tuner cards on the Mint forums. That means I won't have to install a driver for that either.

This post has been edited by KStrawn: 09 September 2009 - 05:31 PM

[taustin1382]

I have been using linux personally since college (2000/2001 ish) and have not touched windows unless I am getting paid for it.... (other than my wifes laptop... work related)... As a systems admin for one of the largest companies in the world I can tell you that these hard economic times are forcing companies to start counting pencils... system cost is definitely a concern. we have started migrating away from windows server/MSsql to linux servers(redhat) and MYsql. we are currently doing a proof of concept for ubuntu desktops instead of vista/windows7 the major hold up right now is that dell will not sell us the pc's without a windows license. the corporate train of thought is "if we are going to pay for a license we are going to use it".... personally I think this is very monopolistic behaviour... we are currently discussing switching to HP for our desktops.... they will allow you to purchase NO OS systems but you cannot lease them....

I actually do have one copy of XP installed on a gaming PC that I do not use that much other than that I am 100% FOSS.

[AuroraDizon]

Mostly probably because companies don't do a great job of providing correct drivers for Linux. Games don't run so well on them because of it. Some companies do some don't. There's no doubt its a better operating system, but the companies just aren't backing it. I don't think they want to take the time to develop a native or working version of a game or program on a system so few people use. Itunes is an example of something just not working on Linux. I had a hell of a time getting World of Warcraft to successfully run on an Intel integrated graphics and 9.04. Even with wine its just not that easy to get non-native programs to run and you might not find something as a suitable replacement. Another example is Photoshop, yes you can run it now no Gimp is not at all an option for me. I got it to load, but it just kept crashing and lagging. I'm not sure if that one was the drivers again. Then to use a wacom its a lot of package install their was wacom-tools in the Ubuntu universe, but as far as getting the hot keys to work that would take more terminal use. I guess my point is that its not that easy to use, especially for the average user unless all the user really wants is web access and other basic programs.

[KStrawn]

AuroraDizon, on 10 September 2009 - 08:20 AM, said:

Mostly probably because companies don't do a great job of providing correct drivers for Linux. Games don't run so well on them because of it. Some companies do some don't. There's no doubt its a better operating system, but the companies just aren't backing it. I don't think they want to take the time to develop a native or working version of a game or program on a system so few people use. Itunes is an example of something just not working on Linux. I had a hell of a time getting World of Warcraft to successfully run on an Intel integrated graphics and 9.04. Even with wine its just not that easy to get non-native programs to run and you might not find something as a suitable replacement. Another example is Photoshop, yes you can run it now no Gimp is not at all an option for me. I got it to load, but it just kept crashing and lagging. I'm not sure if that one was the drivers again. Then to use a wacom its a lot of package install their was wacom-tools in the Ubuntu universe, but as far as getting the hot keys to work that would take more terminal use. I guess my point is that its not that easy to use, especially for the average user unless all the user really wants is web access and other basic programs.

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

[KStrawn]

taustin1382, on 10 September 2009 - 07:22 AM, said:

I have been using linux personally since college (2000/2001 ish) and have not touched windows unless I am getting paid for it.... (other than my wifes laptop... work related)... As a systems admin for one of the largest companies in the world I can tell you that these hard economic times are forcing companies to start counting pencils... system cost is definitely a concern. we have started migrating away from windows server/MSsql to linux servers(redhat) and MYsql. we are currently doing a proof of concept for ubuntu desktops instead of vista/windows7 the major hold up right now is that dell will not sell us the pc's without a windows license. the corporate train of thought is "if we are going to pay for a license we are going to use it".... personally I think this is very monopolistic behaviour... we are currently discussing switching to HP for our desktops.... they will allow you to purchase NO OS systems but you cannot lease them....

I actually do have one copy of XP installed on a gaming PC that I do not use that much other than that I am 100% FOSS.

Good for you. I actually only am in high school, yet I still prefer Linux over Windows.......

[AuroraDizon]

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

AuroraDizon, on 10 September 2009 - 08:20 AM, said:

Mostly probably because companies don't do a great job of providing correct drivers for Linux. Games don't run so well on them because of it. Some companies do some don't. There's no doubt its a better operating system, but the companies just aren't backing it. I don't think they want to take the time to develop a native or working version of a game or program on a system so few people use. Itunes is an example of something just not working on Linux. I had a hell of a time getting World of Warcraft to successfully run on an Intel integrated graphics and 9.04. Even with wine its just not that easy to get non-native programs to run and you might not find something as a suitable replacement. Another example is Photoshop, yes you can run it now no Gimp is not at all an option for me. I got it to load, but it just kept crashing and lagging. I'm not sure if that one was the drivers again. Then to use a wacom its a lot of package install their was wacom-tools in the Ubuntu universe, but as far as getting the hot keys to work that would take more terminal use. I guess my point is that its not that easy to use, especially for the average user unless all the user really wants is web access and other basic programs.

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

It recognizes most things but it still doesn't work correctly. I had a very difficult time with Ubuntu 9.0.4 and my Intel integrated graphics card. The videos on youtube were jerky and I was able to solve it with some drivers from the Ubuntu forum. However I'm sure that the problems with it is what was causing me so many issues with World of Warcraft and Photoshop. Plus my computer would freeze and crash all the time, something I was not really expecting with Ubuntu.

This post has been edited by AuroraDizon: 10 September 2009 - 05:00 PM

[KStrawn]

AuroraDizon, on 10 September 2009 - 04:59 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

AuroraDizon, on 10 September 2009 - 08:20 AM, said:

Mostly probably because companies don't do a great job of providing correct drivers for Linux. Games don't run so well on them because of it. Some companies do some don't. There's no doubt its a better operating system, but the companies just aren't backing it. I don't think they want to take the time to develop a native or working version of a game or program on a system so few people use. Itunes is an example of something just not working on Linux. I had a hell of a time getting World of Warcraft to successfully run on an Intel integrated graphics and 9.04. Even with wine its just not that easy to get non-native programs to run and you might not find something as a suitable replacement. Another example is Photoshop, yes you can run it now no Gimp is not at all an option for me. I got it to load, but it just kept crashing and lagging. I'm not sure if that one was the drivers again. Then to use a wacom its a lot of package install their was wacom-tools in the Ubuntu universe, but as far as getting the hot keys to work that would take more terminal use. I guess my point is that its not that easy to use, especially for the average user unless all the user really wants is web access and other basic programs.

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

It recognizes most things but it still doesn't work correctly. I had a very difficult time with Ubuntu 9.0.4 and my Intel integrated graphics card. The videos on youtube were jerky and I was able to solve it with some drivers from the Ubuntu forum. However I'm sure that the problems with it is what was causing me so many issues with World of Warcraft and Photoshop. Plus my computer would freeze and crash all the time, something I was not really expecting with Ubuntu.

Ubuntu 9.04 doesn't nearly recognize as much hardware as Mint 7, which is still based on it. That's because Mint 7 builds in most of the hardware drivers and audio/video codecs missing from Ubuntu. Like I said, Linksys was plain stuck to Windows like a magnet when it comes to their adapters, even as late as Ubuntu 8.04 "Hardy Heron". Not with Mint 7! It picked up wireless networks on Live boot! And, yes, that was with a Linksys adapter installed. I had so little hassle with Mint that I decided to "Use Entire Disk" in the Mint installer (Don't even think about trying that with Ubuntu!!)

[KStrawn]

pie6nin, on 09 September 2009 - 01:23 PM, said:

I totally agree, but I don't think microsoft's THAT evil, (although they're not the smartest guys ever) I would use linux so more often if more applications/drivers were there, although I hear mint helps a bit...

The only device I had to configure manually in Mint 7 was the ATI TV Wonder 650, by typing in this code in the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file:

#i2c
alias char-major-89 i2c-devb
options i2c-algo-bit bit_test=1
#bttv
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 bttv
#ATI TV Wonder
options bttv card=63 tuner=44 pll=1 adc_crush=0

I also had to edit /etc/modules and type in "bttv" in that configuration file for it to do anything. The process is explained here

This post has been edited by KStrawn: 10 September 2009 - 10:46 PM

[AuroraDizon]

Mint7 sounds pretty cool. Though I don't think I've heard of that distro before now. Checking out the webpage.

[KStrawn]

AuroraDizon, on 10 September 2009 - 10:50 PM, said:

Mint7 sounds pretty cool. Though I don't think I've heard of that distro before now. Checking out the webpage.

The number "7" is just a version number in this distro. It is really http://www.linuxmint.com/ that you need to go to.

[waldojim]

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either.

Linux has made WONDERFUL strides in the hardware support department, but please do not assume that it supports everything.