[KStrawn]

waldojim, on 12 September 2009 - 06:21 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either.

Linux has made WONDERFUL strides in the hardware support department, but please do not assume that it supports everything.

The list of supported TV Tuners on the Linux Mint website should help. I have an ATI TV Wonder myself, and it is working beautifully under Linux Mint 7. This code should explain why:

#i2c
alias char-major-89 i2c-devb
options i2c-algo-bit bit_test=1
#bttv
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 bttv
#ATI TV Wonder
options bttv card=63 tuner=44 pll=1 adc_crush=0

It should be entered as follows:

$ sudo gedit /etc/modules

Put in bttv, then save

$ sudo gedit

This is where you should type the code, then save it as /etc/modprobe.d/bttv.

[waldojim]

KStrawn, on 12 September 2009 - 07:33 PM, said:

waldojim, on 12 September 2009 - 06:21 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either.

Linux has made WONDERFUL strides in the hardware support department, but please do not assume that it supports everything.

The list of supported TV Tuners on the Linux Mint website should help. I have an ATI TV Wonder myself, and it is working beautifully under Linux Mint 7. This code should explain why:

#i2c
alias char-major-89 i2c-devb
options i2c-algo-bit bit_test=1
#bttv
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 bttv
#ATI TV Wonder
options bttv card=63 tuner=44 pll=1 adc_crush=0

It should be entered as follows:

$ sudo gedit /etc/modules

Put in bttv, then save

$ sudo gedit

This is where you should type the code, then save it as /etc/modprobe.d/bttv.

The ATI AIW does not operate as two separate cards, which is where the problem is... it is one device, detected as such, and Linux for some damned reason wont let me load a tuner against it...

[KStrawn]

waldojim, on 13 September 2009 - 08:51 AM, said:

KStrawn, on 12 September 2009 - 07:33 PM, said:

waldojim, on 12 September 2009 - 06:21 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either.

Linux has made WONDERFUL strides in the hardware support department, but please do not assume that it supports everything.

The list of supported TV Tuners on the Linux Mint website should help. I have an ATI TV Wonder myself, and it is working beautifully under Linux Mint 7. This code should explain why:

#i2c
alias char-major-89 i2c-devb
options i2c-algo-bit bit_test=1
#bttv
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 bttv
#ATI TV Wonder
options bttv card=63 tuner=44 pll=1 adc_crush=0

It should be entered as follows:

$ sudo gedit /etc/modules

Put in bttv, then save

$ sudo gedit

This is where you should type the code, then save it as /etc/modprobe.d/bttv.

The ATI AIW does not operate as two separate cards, which is where the problem is... it is one device, detected as such, and Linux for some damned reason wont let me load a tuner against it...

This has nothing to do with the ATI AIW. It has everything to do with the BTTV driver, which is created using that code.

[waldojim]

let me reword this for you, the ATI All-In-Wonder HD is not a supported capture device. It likely never will be. Even support for older AIW devices is VERY limited.

[KStrawn]

waldojim, on 13 September 2009 - 11:26 AM, said:

let me reword this for you, the ATI All-In-Wonder HD is not a supported capture device. It likely never will be. Even support for older AIW devices is VERY limited.

The All-In-Wonder HD can also be configured using this file, using the same numerals as the ATI TV Wonder series. I know, ATI/AMD currently doesn't support its TV Tuners in Linux. But that can be changed with that code, if you look carefully. It is configured as a kernel module to enable the TVW/AIW to work. The thing is, those numerals are for the ATI Theater chips, regardless of what device the chips are on.

This post has been edited by KStrawn: 13 September 2009 - 12:10 PM

[keyfitter]

waldojim, on 12 September 2009 - 06:21 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either.

Linux has made WONDERFUL strides in the hardware support department, but please do not assume that it supports everything.

You can blame some of the non-support on ATI. I can't recall any issues with Nvidia but I certainly run into them with ATI. I built this
machine last year as a straight AMD machine with a HD 3870 ATI video card. Very few distros will run with this video card even if I install
the latest Linux drivers from ATI. I made the mistake of thinking that AMD now owns ATI and that ATI Linux support would get better. Not so.

[waldojim]

keyfitter, on 14 September 2009 - 05:55 PM, said:

waldojim, on 12 September 2009 - 06:21 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either.

Linux has made WONDERFUL strides in the hardware support department, but please do not assume that it supports everything.

You can blame some of the non-support on ATI. I can't recall any issues with Nvidia but I certainly run into them with ATI. I built this
machine last year as a straight AMD machine with a HD 3870 ATI video card. Very few distros will run with this video card even if I install
the latest Linux drivers from ATI. I made the mistake of thinking that AMD now owns ATI and that ATI Linux support would get better. Not so.

the ati card as a display device is perfectly fine, my ATI AIW uses a 3650 for the core, and that part is perfectly supported by amd/ati - just go to the ati website, and download the drive. It is the capture device that does not work.

[KStrawn]

waldojim, on 14 September 2009 - 11:48 PM, said:

keyfitter, on 14 September 2009 - 05:55 PM, said:

waldojim, on 12 September 2009 - 06:21 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 10 September 2009 - 02:34 PM, said:

I'll disagree and explain why. Linux used to support only a handful of hardware. Now, some Linux distros recognize every piece of hardware thrown at them. A classic example of a Linux distro that has native support for almost every piece of hardware out there is Mint 7. It recognized my Linksys WMP600N wireless network adapter (one that wasn't originally supported) on Live boot (it picked up wireless networks, too!). It also recognized my wirelessly networked HP OfficeJet Pro L7780 All-In-One printer without having to install any drivers. And all I had to do for my TV tuner (ATI TV Wonder 650) was edit the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file. This process can be described here.

Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either.

Linux has made WONDERFUL strides in the hardware support department, but please do not assume that it supports everything.

You can blame some of the non-support on ATI. I can't recall any issues with Nvidia but I certainly run into them with ATI. I built this
machine last year as a straight AMD machine with a HD 3870 ATI video card. Very few distros will run with this video card even if I install
the latest Linux drivers from ATI. I made the mistake of thinking that AMD now owns ATI and that ATI Linux support would get better. Not so.

the ati card as a display device is perfectly fine, my ATI AIW uses a 3650 for the core, and that part is perfectly supported by amd/ati - just go to the ati website, and download the drive. It is the capture device that does not work.

Again, this bttv code should fix the TV Capture problem.

[waldojim]

KStrawn, on 15 September 2009 - 02:30 PM, said:

Again, this bttv code should fix the TV Capture problem.

and do you expect Linux to pull a video off of something it does not see? If it does not KNOW that the capture device exists (which it doesn't) then what would you like it to pull the video from?

ALSO - I would like to add my Canon MP620 Network printer as not supported. As a USB device, Canon supplied drivers, but as a network device, it is useless.

[KStrawn]

waldojim, on 15 September 2009 - 04:27 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 15 September 2009 - 02:30 PM, said:

Again, this bttv code should fix the TV Capture problem.

and do you expect Linux to pull a video off of something it does not see? If it does not KNOW that the capture device exists (which it doesn't) then what would you like it to pull the video from?

ALSO - I would like to add my Canon MP620 Network printer as not supported. As a USB device, Canon supplied drivers, but as a network device, it is useless.

Again, waldojim, it's the code that is already displayed that will actually make Linux see the capture device. I know, because I've tried it, and it works. Here's the code again, in case you didn't remember:

#i2c
alias char-major-89 i2c-devb
options i2c-algo-bit bit_test=1
#bttv
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 bttv
#ATI TV Wonder 650
options bttv card=63 tuner=44 pll=1 adc_crush=0

Try to actually type in this code, instead of saying "Linux doesn't support the tuner"

You first need to edit /etc/modules, adding bttv to the file. Then, this code goes into /etc/modprobe.d/bttv, as I've said before!

This post has been edited by KStrawn: 17 September 2009 - 02:32 PM

[waldojim]

KStrawn, on 17 September 2009 - 02:31 PM, said:

waldojim, on 15 September 2009 - 04:27 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 15 September 2009 - 02:30 PM, said:

Again, this bttv code should fix the TV Capture problem.

and do you expect Linux to pull a video off of something it does not see? If it does not KNOW that the capture device exists (which it doesn't) then what would you like it to pull the video from?

ALSO - I would like to add my Canon MP620 Network printer as not supported. As a USB device, Canon supplied drivers, but as a network device, it is useless.

Again, waldojim, it's the code that is already displayed that will actually make Linux see the capture device. I know, because I've tried it, and it works. Here's the code again, in case you didn't remember:

#i2c
alias char-major-89 i2c-devb
options i2c-algo-bit bit_test=1
#bttv
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 bttv
#ATI TV Wonder 650
options bttv card=63 tuner=44 pll=1 adc_crush=0

Try to actually type in this code, instead of saying "Linux doesn't support the tuner"

You first need to edit /etc/modules, adding bttv to the file. Then, this code goes into /etc/modprobe.d/bttv, as I've said before!

That will work on STAND ALONE tuners, not the all in wonder. You have already stated that you tried this on a stand alone tuner. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME DEVICE, AND DO NOT WORK THE SAME.

I went through that method, and many others before giving up on this. AND BTW a simple google search will result in - it does not work, and likely never will. Straight from the people who support the linux video capture.

[KStrawn]

waldojim, on 17 September 2009 - 09:32 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 17 September 2009 - 02:31 PM, said:

waldojim, on 15 September 2009 - 04:27 PM, said:

KStrawn, on 15 September 2009 - 02:30 PM, said:

Again, this bttv code should fix the TV Capture problem.

and do you expect Linux to pull a video off of something it does not see? If it does not KNOW that the capture device exists (which it doesn't) then what would you like it to pull the video from?

ALSO - I would like to add my Canon MP620 Network printer as not supported. As a USB device, Canon supplied drivers, but as a network device, it is useless.

Again, waldojim, it's the code that is already displayed that will actually make Linux see the capture device. I know, because I've tried it, and it works. Here's the code again, in case you didn't remember:

#i2c
alias char-major-89 i2c-devb
options i2c-algo-bit bit_test=1
#bttv
alias char-major-81 videodev
alias char-major-81-0 bttv
#ATI TV Wonder 650
options bttv card=63 tuner=44 pll=1 adc_crush=0

Try to actually type in this code, instead of saying "Linux doesn't support the tuner"

You first need to edit /etc/modules, adding bttv to the file. Then, this code goes into /etc/modprobe.d/bttv, as I've said before!

That will work on STAND ALONE tuners, not the all in wonder. You have already stated that you tried this on a stand alone tuner. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME DEVICE, AND DO NOT WORK THE SAME.

I went through that method, and many others before giving up on this. AND BTW a simple google search will result in - it does not work, and likely never will. Straight from the people who support the linux video capture.

Fine. I believe you now. So stand-alone tuners are the only thing the Linux configuration bttv file works on. Okay, I believe you now. If you had mentioned that earlier, the flame war would have been over sooner than you may have thought. The fact that you didn't explain that to me earlier was your loss. Be Straightforward!

[waldojim]

I DID with the device name - a 5 second google search would have told you what an ALL IN WONDER card is, since you never have paid attention to the ATI product market.

So no offense, but if you do not know what the device is, google it. And read entire posts PLEASE.

BTW, here is my FIRST mention of the device, and how I referred to it:

"
Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either."

[KStrawn]

waldojim, on 18 September 2009 - 10:51 PM, said:

I DID with the device name - a 5 second google search would have told you what an ALL IN WONDER card is, since you never have paid attention to the ATI product market.

So no offense, but if you do not know what the device is, google it. And read entire posts PLEASE.

BTW, here is my FIRST mention of the device, and how I referred to it:

"
Not EVERY piece of hardware... my ATI AIWHD is supported as a video card only - no tuner (ATI 3650/TV Wonder 650) not sure if it ever will be supported either."

I know what the All-In-Wonder is. I just didn't know what you were talking about at first. If you had told me that the code I gave you only worked with stand-alone tuners in the first place, I would have listened. But nooo. You didn't mention that!

[Grr8008]

KStrawn, you sound like an advertisement. Then again, you are promoting a good product! I agree that linux is great. Also, if you don't go deep into it, it's super easy to use. But I will be sticking with windows for my main rig. Just gotta love the software you can get for it. On the other hand, linux will most definitely be going on my VM. Most likely mint. And I love open source. My photo editor is paint.net after all.

[KStrawn]

Grr8008, on 19 September 2009 - 11:03 AM, said:

(Kenny) Strawn, you sound like an advertisement. Then again, you are promoting a good product! I agree that linux is great. Also, if you don't go deep into it, it's super easy to use. But I will be sticking with windows for my main rig. Just gotta love the software you can get for it. On the other hand, linux will most definitely be going on my VM. Most likely mint. And I love open source. My photo editor is paint.net after all.

Grr, thank you for agreeing with me. Other users weren't so fortunate. They, in fact, were calling me "moron" and "idiotic". Even though I am only a teenager (16), I don't deserve that. I, unlike some other people here, am optimistic for the most part about criticism. And pessimism certainly isn't in my vocabulary unless absolutely necessary (when against violence).

[Grr8008]

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Grr, thank you for agreeing with me. Other users weren't so fortunate. They, in fact, were calling me "moron" and "idiotic". Even though I am only a teenager (16), I don't deserve that. I, unlike some other people here, am optimistic for the most part about criticism. And pessimism certainly isn't in my vocabulary unless absolutely necessary (when against violence).
[/quote]

Ok, I think you have to realize that some people might not be calling you that due to age. Age is not always a critical factor, although I have found that you usually don't want to put something like that out there. Almost nothing can be gained from that. And much can be lost. Anyway, some people just don't like to have their ideas challenged. You know the way that the Mac vs. Windows news discussions flare up. I find myself more of a mediator, because, as my avatar suggests, I like all OSs. I don't care which one I use as long as it works. They all have their pros and cons. However (And I'm guessing this is in PMs that you are getting these messages.) sometime you have to roll with the punches. And I think that you are pretty brave to put up a topic like this. It will garner you a lot of opposition. But I agree with you. And as many people as you get against you, you will certainly find people to stand with you.

[KStrawn]

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[/quote]

Grr, thank you for agreeing with me. Other users weren't so fortunate. They, in fact, were calling me "moron" and "idiotic". Even though I am only a teenager (16), I don't deserve that. I, unlike some other people here, am optimistic for the most part about criticism. And pessimism certainly isn't in my vocabulary unless absolutely necessary (when against violence).
[/quote]

Ok, I think you have to realize that some people might not be calling you that due to age. Age is not always a critical factor, although I have found that you usually don't want to put something like that out there. Almost nothing can be gained from that. And much can be lost. Anyway, some people just don't like to have their ideas challenged. You know the way that the Mac vs. Windows news discussions flare up. I find myself more of a mediator, because, as my avatar suggests, I like all OSs. I don't care which one I use as long as it works. They all have their pros and cons. However (And I'm guessing this is in PMs that you are getting these messages.) sometime you have to roll with the punches. And I think that you are pretty brave to put up a topic like this. It will garner you a lot of opposition. But I agree with you. And as many people as you get against you, you will certainly find people to stand with you.
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Thank you for that. I have got to tell you that I sent a personal conversation to Evildave regarding the avatar you sent me. And Grr, I thank you for being the mediator in all of this. Agreeing with everyone is what I want. And I also find a lot of pros in both Windows and Linux (and Mac, from experience at school). So I really don't care what OSes reach the norm. I really like anything I can get my hands on. That's why, in 2007, I tried endlessly, continuing into 2008, to improve Windows Vista performance on my desktop (and had to build a new desktop besides). I really don't care what OS I have, as long as it's up with the times. Okay, maybe a ton of people are still holding on to XP, due to many compatibility issues. But that should change with Windows 7 and Virtual PC/XP Mode. I miss Windows 7 terribly as I have to mention, #1 features being the Taskbar and Windows Media Center. And I sure like the fact that Linux is free and is just as good as Windows. I really don't remember the Mac from school (it's been 4 years), but I heard it is good but locked. And if I had an Apple computer, I would seriously consider using Boot Camp to run Windows, OS X, and Linux all at the same time, since I would like all 3 of them equally.