[hummerzdca]

It's too bad that in these days of technology, others great ideas that are copied, somehow makes the news as "xxx-killers". Apple created and produces a super product, although not perfect, so others see what they did, scrutinizes it shortcomings, creates their 'version', and suddenly it's called a "killer"... Aren't we just talking about copying what someone else did and improved on it? Come on! It's not much different than plagiarizing and embellishing a story. While not your own idea, sure you can always 'add' something to anything, but it's still built off the originator's superior intellect. "Imitation is the sincerest of flattery." by Charles Caleb Colton.

This post has been edited by hummerzdca: 03 September 2009 - 07:46 AM

[smax013]

StalePancake, on 11 October 2009 - 08:48 AM, said:

You think Apple invented the SmartPhone? They didn't. They are just improving upon what others have already done. Palm invented the touchscreen smart phone. Apple is just copying palm, research in motion, windows mobile and on and on. They didn't even invent their own email sync. Research in motion did. Microsoft did. Apple, they just license theirs from Microsoft. and much of the patents they use to build the phone are licensed from palm since they broke ground on this technology first, they alone hold a ton of patents in this area.

Actually, neither did Palm. Handspring is the one that created the Treo line and Palm eventually bought them out. I do not know for sure if Handspring created the first "touchscreen smart phone" or not, but they certainly beat Palm to the punch. In fact, Palm never had a "smartphone" until they bought out Handspring. At the time, Palm was still a "PDA-only" company.

[orlbuckeye]

hummerzdca, on 03 September 2009 - 07:44 AM, said:

It's too bad that in these days of technology, others great ideas that are copied, somehow makes the news as "xxx-killers". Apple created and produces a super product, although not perfect, so others see what they did, scrutinizes it shortcomings, creates their 'version', and suddenly it's called a "killer"... Aren't we just talking about copying what someone else did and improved on it? Come on! It's not much different than plagiarizing and embellishing a story. While not your own idea, sure you can always 'add' something to anything, but it's still built off the originator's superior intellect. "Imitation is the sincerest of flattery." by Charles Caleb Colton.

Every OS takes its own intellect to build. They aren't using the same code so it's not plagarizing at all. It's very much ok for a company to come out with code that does something better. Their using their own invention to make it better not getting copies of someones code and changing it.

This post has been edited by orlbuckeye: 12 January 2010 - 12:39 PM

[orlbuckeye]

smax013, on 14 October 2009 - 11:05 AM, said:

StalePancake, on 11 October 2009 - 08:48 AM, said:

You think Apple invented the SmartPhone? They didn't. They are just improving upon what others have already done. Palm invented the touchscreen smart phone. Apple is just copying palm, research in motion, windows mobile and on and on. They didn't even invent their own email sync. Research in motion did. Microsoft did. Apple, they just license theirs from Microsoft. and much of the patents they use to build the phone are licensed from palm since they broke ground on this technology first, they alone hold a ton of patents in this area.

Actually, neither did Palm. Handspring is the one that created the Treo line and Palm eventually bought them out. I do not know for sure if Handspring created the first "touchscreen smart phone" or not, but they certainly beat Palm to the punch. In fact, Palm never had a "smartphone" until they bought out Handspring. At the time, Palm was still a "PDA-only" company.

Actually the IBM Simon was the first smartphone and it actually had a touch screen.

http://cdecas.free.f...ocket/simon.php

[newman8763]

This is facetious, but in my opinion true: An iPhone is a BlackBerry that is constipated.

[asiafish]

The reason everyone talks about an "iPhone Killer" isn't because Apple invented smartphones (I think the Qualcomm Q, running Palm OS was first to retail), but because Apple has had the most visible success.

RIM is still the largest, so we can't say Apple is targeted for being the market leader. What Apple has done, however, is introduce a product less than 3-years-ago, and very quickly displace Palm and Microsoft to take the number two spot.

Apple is also the most popular CONSUMER smartphone. Yes, many consumers have BlackBerry, but RIM's focus is enterprise.

Can any product be an iPhone killer? Not really, not unless that new product was so successful that Apple discontinued the iPhone because of it.

The only iPhone killer will be the next iPhone, just as the iPhone 3Gs wasn't a BlackBerry killer, but rather an iPhone 3G killer.

For what its worth, I really like the iPhone and use Apple computers almost exclusively in my home and business, but my smartphone of choice remains the RIM BlackBerry. I just upgraded last week from the 8830 to the Storm2, both on Verizon, with a BlackBerry Enterprise Server running on my Exchange server at the office. iPhone does Exchange, but not as well.

[asiafish]

smax013, on 14 October 2009 - 11:05 AM, said:

StalePancake, on 11 October 2009 - 08:48 AM, said:

You think Apple invented the SmartPhone? They didn't. They are just improving upon what others have already done. Palm invented the touchscreen smart phone. Apple is just copying palm, research in motion, windows mobile and on and on. They didn't even invent their own email sync. Research in motion did. Microsoft did. Apple, they just license theirs from Microsoft. and much of the patents they use to build the phone are licensed from palm since they broke ground on this technology first, they alone hold a ton of patents in this area.

Actually, neither did Palm. Handspring is the one that created the Treo line and Palm eventually bought them out. I do not know for sure if Handspring created the first "touchscreen smart phone" or not, but they certainly beat Palm to the punch. In fact, Palm never had a "smartphone" until they bought out Handspring. At the time, Palm was still a "PDA-only" company.

Wrong again, it was Qualcomm and Palm (not Handspring) with the PDQ. This was a rather large analog cellular phone with a built-in Palm III PDA that was linked through software to the phone. The Handspring Treo wasn't even Handspring's first attempt, as that honor does to the phone attachment for the Visor PDA which created, drumroll, an pre-Treo (post PDQ) smartphone.

[Gamburging]

thanks for the info!

[zuse84]

smax013, on 14 October 2009 - 11:05 AM, said:

StalePancake, on 11 October 2009 - 08:48 AM, said:

You think Apple invented the SmartPhone? They didn't. They are just improving upon what others have already done. Palm invented the touchscreen smart phone. Apple is just copying palm, research in motion, windows mobile and on and on. They didn't even invent their own email sync. Research in motion did. Microsoft did. Apple, they just license theirs from Microsoft. and much of the patents they use to build the phone are licensed from palm since they broke ground on this technology first, they alone hold a ton of patents in this area.

Actually, neither did Palm. Handspring is the one that created the Treo line and Palm eventually bought them out. I do not know for sure if Handspring created the first "touchscreen smart phone" or not, but they certainly beat Palm to the punch. In fact, Palm never had a "smartphone" until they bought out Handspring. At the time, Palm was still a "PDA-only" company.

Regardless of where it all originated or who 1st had the idea, you just proved his point[ if your not to blind to see the bigger picture ]

[techie4fun]

asiafish, on 17 March 2010 - 07:50 AM, said:

The reason everyone talks about an "iPhone Killer" isn't because Apple invented smartphones (I think the Qualcomm Q, running Palm OS was first to retail), but because Apple has had the most visible success.

I think it's more on part of the news media and what information they can cram down people's mouths the quickest. Once the reporters have what they want to say and release it, everyone takes it as if "God" has promised to send Americans free chocolate to their mailbox every day.

[techie4fun]

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I think it's more on part of the news media and what information they can cram down people's mouths the quickest.

Of course it is, Techie.

[ZeroTiger]

smax013, on 14 October 2009 - 11:05 AM, said:

StalePancake, on 11 October 2009 - 08:48 AM, said:

You think Apple invented the SmartPhone? They didn't. They are just improving upon what others have already done. Palm invented the touchscreen smart phone. Apple is just copying palm, research in motion, windows mobile and on and on. They didn't even invent their own email sync. Research in motion did. Microsoft did. Apple, they just license theirs from Microsoft. and much of the patents they use to build the phone are licensed from palm since they broke ground on this technology first, they alone hold a ton of patents in this area.

Actually, neither did Palm. Handspring is the one that created the Treo line and Palm eventually bought them out. I do not know for sure if Handspring created the first "touchscreen smart phone" or not, but they certainly beat Palm to the punch. In fact, Palm never had a "smartphone" until they bought out Handspring. At the time, Palm was still a "PDA-only" company.

The irony behind that is Handspring was created by a couple of dudes that left Palm. The started it up because they wanted PDA's to go wireless and merge with cell phones and Palm didn't want to go that direction.

[ZeroTiger]

My opinion is that as soon as something is called an "iXYZ Killer" it will always be viewed as an inferior product. Apple has created some slick devices and has put out a number of game changers. Whether these are game changers because of innovation or because of marketing is another debate. But the ixyz killer meme is an interesting one because by standing on the shoulders of giants, Apple has been very successful in identifying and creating markets and building devices to fit those markets. When the iPhone first came out it was like the first Asian Fusion restaurant, part phone part iPod, but not really looking like either of its parents, but adding a new twist to it. Somehow they were able to re-define the smart phone by putting a few new pieces into the puzzle and letting it do just a little more.
Like it or not, Apple lead and ushered in a new era of smart phones. By doing this, they set the bar. This is why everyone is quick to label new devices as iPhone Killers. Unless a manufacturer takes a big leap forward in new mobile phones, they will forever be compared to the iPhone. I think the bigger question is why was the iPhone not called a "Blackberry Killer"? How did they avoid getting pigeon-holed and compared to the newest and best Blackberry on the market at the time?
IMHO, it's mostly marketing and framing the message. First it's consistency in branding. How many flavors of Blackberry are there? By focusing on one device, Apple has been consistent and been able to consolidate media attention into one phone. Second, they brand the iPhone as the iPhone, not a smart phone. They market it outside of non-branded industry terms. It's a bit pretentious, but it works. This is further evidenced by the iPad, tablet shaped mobile devices aren't new, but they aren't calling it a "tablet" or a "touchscreen tablet" or an "internet tablet". It's the iPad, so now everything that resembles one, is compared to the iPad because no one knows what to call it.

[bilallucky]

The iphone is not perfect. It costs a ton of money. If you opt for the 16 GB model, it's $300 upfront, and then $15 a month just to have the iphone and another $15 a month for the mandatory data plan. The second flaw is that it has a fixed camera lense. The 5800 and the Diamond both have variable focus lenses, which can possibly allow you to focus on objects near the phone, like QR Codes. The next big flaw is that the iPhone has no IR transmitter, so no universal remotes for iphone users. Despite all this, no other device mixes so well all of the good features you could want in a phone as the iPhone does.

[rjrex8]

iphone is the best smartphone in terms of innovation, apps and ease of use and that's the reason the iphone comes on top and why other phones are trying to makes products that will be better than iphone.