[worriedman]

Has anyone ever used or seen reviews for the Keycarbon Raptor keylogger. It appears to plug into the miniPCI slot on a laptop and thus works as a hidden keylogger. Different from software in that nothing to download or worry about anti-spyware. Operates on its own, hidden inside the laptop. thinking of buying due to some marital concerns -- had discussions, thought was resolved, not so sure now. This seems like an easy way to find out. Anyone have any experience with it? thanks.

[coastie65]

Hi, This is in a gray area and you could be asking for trouble with this. I am going to leave it for the time being though. coastie

[worriedman]

Am a new user here - as the moderator, why is this gray? I believe these are legal as long as I own the machine its on, and I do as its our home computer. I suppose its the same as a parent putting spyware on their own computer. I just seem to think that software always ends up messing with the system - slows it down, other things pop up, etc... When you are trying to be covert and its a laptop, you cant use a traditional keylogger and this seemed like it might work. But, it won't fit anyway as out laptop doesn't have a mini pci slot.

coastie65, on 13 October 2009 - 02:51 PM, said:

Hi, This is in a gray area and you could be asking for trouble with this. I am going to leave it for the time being though. coastie

[mphenterprises]

worriedman, on 13 October 2009 - 10:32 PM, said:

Am a new user here - as the moderator, why is this gray? I believe these are legal as long as I own the machine its on, and I do as its our home computer. I suppose its the same as a parent putting spyware on their own computer. I just seem to think that software always ends up messing with the system - slows it down, other things pop up, etc... When you are trying to be covert and its a laptop, you cant use a traditional keylogger and this seemed like it might work. But, it won't fit anyway as out laptop doesn't have a mini pci slot.

Hi worriedman and welcome to the PCWorld Communities.



The reason that discussions about keyloggers are potentially against the Community Standards is that there is a lot of room for damage and illicit use. Based on your explanation, we still really have no idea as to your end game with using keyloggers. What exactly are you trying to gain by monitoring the keystrokes of another computer?

If you believe software is slowing down your computer, and you believe that this one computer in question, that narrows down the culprits to whomever actually uses that computer. Granted, I know of situations where major companies use keyloggers to monitor employees internet usage while at work but that is a completely different scenario. As it stands now, your situation really does not warrant a keylogger. Please clarify exactly what you would like to gain and we may be able to assist you.

[worriedman]

To be blunt, we have one laptop at home. My wife primarily uses it. We've had marital problems with an email "friend" at work. I don't think its stopped. I could be paranoid/hurt, or could be right on as I suspected last time. I don't want to make rash decisions on hunches when there are children involved. If something continues to this date, then my lawyer will have to file what he has to file. If I am wrong, then I'm wrong. But, as I stated, the computer won't accept that anyway, so the other consideration is Spectorpro or SniperSpy or something like that.

mphenterprises, on 13 October 2009 - 09:10 PM, said:

worriedman, on 13 October 2009 - 10:32 PM, said:

Am a new user here - as the moderator, why is this gray? I believe these are legal as long as I own the machine its on, and I do as its our home computer. I suppose its the same as a parent putting spyware on their own computer. I just seem to think that software always ends up messing with the system - slows it down, other things pop up, etc... When you are trying to be covert and its a laptop, you cant use a traditional keylogger and this seemed like it might work. But, it won't fit anyway as out laptop doesn't have a mini pci slot.

Hi worriedman and welcome to the PCWorld Communities.



The reason that discussions about keyloggers are potentially against the Community Standards is that there is a lot of room for damage and illicit use. Based on your explanation, we still really have no idea as to your end game with using keyloggers. What exactly are you trying to gain by monitoring the keystrokes of another computer?

If you believe software is slowing down your computer, and you believe that this one computer in question, that narrows down the culprits to whomever actually uses that computer. Granted, I know of situations where major companies use keyloggers to monitor employees internet usage while at work but that is a completely different scenario. As it stands now, your situation really does not warrant a keylogger. Please clarify exactly what you would like to gain and we may be able to assist you.

[mphenterprises]

worriedman, on 14 October 2009 - 12:28 AM, said:

To be blunt, we have one laptop at home. My wife primarily uses it. We've had marital problems with an email "friend" at work. I don't think its stopped. I could be paranoid/hurt, or could be right on as I suspected last time. I don't want to make rash decisions on hunches when there are children involved. If something continues to this date, then my lawyer will have to file what he has to file. If I am wrong, then I'm wrong. But, as I stated, the computer won't accept that anyway, so the other consideration is Spectorpro or SniperSpy or something like that.

I can appreciate your situation; however, I am not sure how much help this forum can be for you. This has been brought to Kyle's (the PCWorld's Forum Manager) attention. He will make the final decision as to what we can do to assist you.

[smax013]

worriedman, on 13 October 2009 - 10:32 PM, said:

Am a new user here - as the moderator, why is this gray? I believe these are legal as long as I own the machine its on, and I do as its our home computer. I suppose its the same as a parent putting spyware on their own computer. I just seem to think that software always ends up messing with the system - slows it down, other things pop up, etc... When you are trying to be covert and its a laptop, you cant use a traditional keylogger and this seemed like it might work. But, it won't fit anyway as out laptop doesn't have a mini pci slot.

coastie65, on 13 October 2009 - 02:51 PM, said:

Hi, This is in a gray area and you could be asking for trouble with this. I am going to leave it for the time being though. coastie

worriedman, on 14 October 2009 - 12:28 AM, said:

To be blunt, we have one laptop at home. My wife primarily uses it. We've had marital problems with an email "friend" at work. I don't think its stopped. I could be paranoid/hurt, or could be right on as I suspected last time. I don't want to make rash decisions on hunches when there are children involved. If something continues to this date, then my lawyer will have to file what he has to file. If I am wrong, then I'm wrong. But, as I stated, the computer won't accept that anyway, so the other consideration is Spectorpro or SniperSpy or something like that.

mphenterprises, on 13 October 2009 - 09:10 PM, said:

worriedman, on 13 October 2009 - 10:32 PM, said:

Am a new user here - as the moderator, why is this gray? I believe these are legal as long as I own the machine its on, and I do as its our home computer. I suppose its the same as a parent putting spyware on their own computer. I just seem to think that software always ends up messing with the system - slows it down, other things pop up, etc... When you are trying to be covert and its a laptop, you cant use a traditional keylogger and this seemed like it might work. But, it won't fit anyway as out laptop doesn't have a mini pci slot.

Hi worriedman and welcome to the PCWorld Communities.



The reason that discussions about keyloggers are potentially against the Community Standards is that there is a lot of room for damage and illicit use. Based on your explanation, we still really have no idea as to your end game with using keyloggers. What exactly are you trying to gain by monitoring the keystrokes of another computer?

If you believe software is slowing down your computer, and you believe that this one computer in question, that narrows down the culprits to whomever actually uses that computer. Granted, I know of situations where major companies use keyloggers to monitor employees internet usage while at work but that is a completely different scenario. As it stands now, your situation really does not warrant a keylogger. Please clarify exactly what you would like to gain and we may be able to assist you.

It is gray because honestly the laws on this are unclear and can vary with location/state and with the exact details/circumstances of the situation.

My ultimate response to you would be to be very careful with this as it could land you in a world a trouble. As a case in point, you might want to take a look at this "article" as it is very much along the lines of your case in many regards:

http://www.spywaregu...ate_wir_81.html

According to that article, if you live in Florida, installing such keylogger software or hardware could land you in criminal court.

Here is another document to take a look at:

http://www.senseient...ic_Peephole.pdf