[howie4599]

BLUETOOTH VOICE CALLING !!!

[samiup]

nafhan, on 20 May 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

PhilipD, on 20 May 2010 - 09:18 AM, said:

The truth is that flash on a mobile handset provides absolutely nothing for a user except for frustration. I can't wait until android users start browsing the web and find flash sites that don't suppport touch gestures while their phones start blasting embedded commercials and delivering spyware. Sounds AWESOME!

So... some stuff works instead of none. Mathematically speaking, that's infinitely better. Also, pretty sure you can turn Flash off, if it's causing more trouble than it's worth. Again, we run into having an option vs. not having an option.
Here's a usage scenario for you: leave Flash off most of the time, and turn it on when you come across a website you'd like to access that requires Flash. That would negate all the problems with Flash that you mentioned, and allow you to access content that would otherwise be inaccessible. Sounds good to me.

well said, a checkmate argument.

This post has been edited by samiup: 20 May 2010 - 10:43 AM

[Chasera]

its been said before, but its quite simple...fix the voice dialing issue via blue tooth, and, fix the Google Map navigation problem with the app continually "searching for GPS". Very flaky app when trying to navigate.

[Autobon13]

ScottStoner, on 20 May 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

Ummm... Bluetooth phone dialing?

um... check this out from the android developers website. Scroll near the bottom to New Platform Technologies and look under bluetooth.... I think everyone will like what they see.

http://developer.and...highlights.html

[QUADICON]

Hmmm...the sites you did visit where you said were a problem, don't have to be optimized for a mobile device. I have visited sites that were built in 2006 which my HTC Incredible and even tho I don't have the full Flash Player, it worked just fine. The problem is the Actionscript. The site was probably using older script for the action required for clicks. I built my personal site in 2006 and loaded it with my phone and it worked flawlessly. The Flash intro I have went very fast bec it is a small file. The main page which is in all Flash was a bit slower, bec it is full of images and it also has a streaming audio file. During the initial load it was pretty slow. After it was done loading, when I played it a second time from cache', it was much faster.

All of the Facebook games don't work just yet. I tried loading my favorites and they didn't work. So having the REAL player should fix that. The present Flash player is something HTC built into the Sense UI that handles the playback. But I did visit a few sites where I expected the player not to work and it did.

Hulu don't need an app for viewing what they have. All they need to do is get licenses to stream to mobile. I don't see why they need a different license for that. A smartphone is just a portable computer and teh browsers are basically stripped down version of the desktop.

I too went to Hulu and with my browser using its native setting the videos didn't load. I went and turn off the setting for only loading a mobile version of a site, clear my cache and reloaded Hulu and I was able to load the videos and see the preview, but pressing play I also received a message saying it couldn't play them. It did play the lil commercial clip saying the "following video was brought to you by" and then it error-ed out.

Also optimizing video playback to be done for a mobile device isn't hard to do. It just requires changing some action-scripts, which can be done rather quickly. HTML5 can wait until its complete. I dont want some beta based site.

[QUADICON]

ampmcst, on 20 May 2010 - 09:13 AM, said:

I'm waiting for the following features:

1) Day, date and time display on home screen without needing an App for it.

2) Selection of font size through Settings or ability to zoom-up in gmail and the browser.

3) Tethering as a modem for the notebook-pc.

Thanks!

I don't think the time and date is an app....it is part of the skin that runs on top of the operating system. You can delete apps...you can't delete that date and time...you can change it or remove it from the screen. But can't uninstall.

[QUADICON]

jmklei0, on 20 May 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

Looking forward to an FM Transmitter built into the phone. Seems like it should be able to be done already.

The Incredible has a FM Radio App...why do you need it to transmit? Can easily just plug it into the AUX. if I wanted everyone else to hear what I am listening to, I can just roll down the windows...LMAO...(sarcasm)
I want an XM Radio...not Slacker or Pandora or iHeart....just straight XM where I can change REAL station and still be able to skip songs I don't like. FOR FREE.

[Nuke61]

Flash addition is O.K., but bluetooth dialing is (for me) the addition to 2.2 that I'm looking forward to.

[QUADICON]

DonniesDad, on 20 May 2010 - 09:38 AM, said:

This could be the "iPhone Killer". Everyone though it would be an actual device, but it looks like it'll actually be a mobile OS that "kills" the iPhone.

Once this version of OS is stable and working efficiently, nobody will care about iPhones anymore unless they want a lot of Fart apps.

This is my first time really grasping and liking the implementation of a NIX based operating system. I personally have never been for/against open source. What I wanted to see was an open source application that offers ALL and MORE of the benefits of proprietary software and DROID is it.

I too wanted an iphone. But I didn't want ATT. I am with VZW and we are getting an iPhone this year and I already don't want it. Based on the specs of it, some don't even match or exceed what I have in my present phone, yet I know per Apple's track record...the device will cost more. I have a jailbroken iPod Touch, that is all the Apple device I need for now.

I agree 100% with you...the 'iphone killer' isn't going to be the features of the device, it is how well the UI is on top of the hardware. This is where Apple USE to have a commanding lead, its been broken now by a total new comer. Even RIM's craptastic mobile OS is ahead on the device level. But Android gives you all the benefits iPhone doesn't have now, won;t have in the upcoming revision...or won;t ever have in the future. RIM is doing their best to keep making new Blackberries that basically look like the previous model. HTC is doing similar, but the device are more diverse and they look better. Android already had the most USA sales for the first quarter.

Once iPhone comes to Verizon, I wonder how many ATT folks are jumping ship....which means...liek the Intel Mac's...there won't be many new buyers...just a bunch of repeat buyers which will further drop iPhone's hold on second place. The real battle has began. Its almost liek the days Sega was killing Nintendo....where is Sega now?!....Apple YOU WILL BE NEXT.

[QUADICON]

samiup, on 20 May 2010 - 09:54 AM, said:

PhilipD, on 20 May 2010 - 09:18 AM, said:

Wow. This is by far and away the best review of flash on the Android handset. It's almost like Adobe paid PCWorld to write it for them.

Everyone else seems to say that the video refresh is slow and choppy, that most flash games don't actually work on mobile devices, and that both ABC and Hulu have blocked, and will continue to block access to their sites from mobile devices running flash.

"Our goal, clearly, is that most Flash content should just work. But some sites are going to work better than others," said Adobe technical marketing director Anup Murarka. Almost all existing flash based sites need to be re-designed to accomodate touch screen gesturers and mobile screen sizes. If you have to do that already, why don't you just use HMTL web standards?

The truth is that flash on a mobile handset provides absolutely nothing for a user except for frustration. I can't wait until android users start browsing the web and find flash sites that don't suppport touch gestures while their phones start blasting embedded commercials and delivering spyware. Sounds AWESOME!

actually, ANDROID users are a little bit more tech educated than Apple herd of brain damaged, semi educated mutants.
as an ANDROID user, i do not need to read a full article to understand that the already existing Flash web content may or may NOT work perfectly on my phone because it was made for a mouse and keyboard not for touch and slide, that is no rocket science and you dont need to be a genius to figure that out on your own.

for a starter, ill be enjoying all the Facebook video feeds on my ANDROID phone while you will be looking at those little cubes surrounded with emptiness on your iPhone
i will be also enjoying videos from various sites like South Park Studios, Fox, TNT, The New York Times, the BBC etc... and ill enjoy the plethora of games that works fine on mobile
and ill be waiting on other sites like Hulu to work their way to mobile enabled Flash.

if a website crashes, ill simply close the browser, and if i dont want any FLASH content, ill turn Flash support OFF

meanwhile, you can keep enjoying your cubes of emptiness whenever you hit a Flash content that you are BANNED from viewing, and keep pondering on how Flash is maybe/maybe not irrelevant for smart phones.

LOL...how right you are SIR. To bad I don't have all my Lego's anymore. With all the sights I visited with the iPhone that don't work but show Lego's surrounded by the emptiness you spoke of, I would have enough blocks to build the WTC.

However the battle isn't over. Many sites are making alternatives to Flash that iPhone will be able to view. Nothing like viewing a stripped down caddy when you could have had ALL the bells and whistles. Many people could care less about some things Flash can do other then play music/video. Sure if all you want si video playback...you can do that now without Flash. But Flash if used properly can add a lot of XING to a site. Just like at the movies. There is a reason the commercial and ad spots play so loud before the show, its to build up your anticipation for the movie. Flash can do that as well. HTML cannot..even if you sit and waste time and make a bunch of animated gifs and put them to music, it just can't touch Flash.

As you said, get tired of Flash? You can turn it off. No matter what the brain dead Apple mutants say "CHOICE" is the spice of life. Nothing will ever be better or equal to free market.

[QUADICON]

samiup, on 20 May 2010 - 10:42 AM, said:

nafhan, on 20 May 2010 - 10:34 AM, said:

PhilipD, on 20 May 2010 - 09:18 AM, said:

The truth is that flash on a mobile handset provides absolutely nothing for a user except for frustration. I can't wait until android users start browsing the web and find flash sites that don't suppport touch gestures while their phones start blasting embedded commercials and delivering spyware. Sounds AWESOME!

So... some stuff works instead of none. Mathematically speaking, that's infinitely better. Also, pretty sure you can turn Flash off, if it's causing more trouble than it's worth. Again, we run into having an option vs. not having an option.
Here's a usage scenario for you: leave Flash off most of the time, and turn it on when you come across a website you'd like to access that requires Flash. That would negate all the problems with Flash that you mentioned, and allow you to access content that would otherwise be inaccessible. Sounds good to me.

well said, a checkmate argument.

Isn't it a given that even when an old technology reaches a new platform, many things won't work? Look how many things still don't work with 3 revisons of iPhone. Look, Apple has a brand new device and the old things still don't work and the new things don't work either. What is so great tho is this...Android is brand new, and out the box; more things at least either just work, 1/2 work or are being worked on. But the things that do work...work now....and the iPhone even 3 years later still don't work.

HTC has the software NOW that allows for several devices to leech internet off a single device...NOW...NO JAILBREAK REQUIRED. Anyways, why can't Apple sell and unlocked phone so that at least, if I dont want teh locked one I can choose. EVERYONE ELSE DOES. They are afraid, everyone will buy the unlocked version and leave them hanging dry...

I saw anti-virus for a NIX based OS...do we really need it? Android is the Alien infection that will kill iPhone...muuhahahahah!

[Nuke61]

QUADICON, on 20 May 2010 - 01:23 PM, said:

Once iPhone comes to Verizon, I wonder how many ATT folks are jumping ship....which means...liek the Intel Mac's...there won't be many new buyers...just a bunch of repeat buyers which will further drop iPhone's hold on second place.

I disagree, because smart phones are but a small fraction of phones sold today. So if the iPhone does come to Verizon (which I doubt) in 2010, there will be plenty of potential NEW customers. Yes, AT&T may lose customers, but I doubt it. Why? Because AT&T customers have a GM version of the iPhone, and a Verizon version would need to be CDMA, although it could be CDMA/GSM.

I would LOVE to see an iPhone on Verizon -- we would then see how much traction Android has if it has to go head-to-head with iPhone. I don't know if I'd switch from my Droid, but I would like to at least be able to check it out. But like I said, I doubt it's coming to Verizon this year.

[ytpete]

SeanLeroysBoySanders, on 20 May 2010 - 10:05 AM, said:

your actually right. if developers gonna have to optimize it for mobile device that might as well do it in html5. on engadget they said & showed how buggy flash was & how html was a lot more crisp & fluied (i cant spell)

Where in the Engadget review of Flash 10.1 do you see them talking about it being buggy? They demoed a bunch of sites working perfectly, and one where the video player wasn't optimized for mobile yet. That's not "showing how buggy Flash is."

They also didn't say anything about HTML being more crisp or fluid. In fact, the comments on that article point out that HTML5 Canvas is a lot slower than Flash -- just look at this benchmark:

[cpg716]

ScottStoner, on 20 May 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

Ummm... Bluetooth phone dialing?

Um, yeah.. Read the features of Froyo 2.2.. It lists this..

[DanielOsborne]

At least for the Nexus One, you can hold down the 'Menu' button to force the keyboard to appear. Whether that actually works for flash or not, only you can tell us at this point.

I'm so looking forward to this update.

[rbcline]

PhilipD, on 20 May 2010 - 09:18 AM, said:

Wow. This is by far and away the best review of flash on the Android handset. It's almost like Adobe paid PCWorld to write it for them.

Everyone else seems to say that the video refresh is slow and choppy, that most flash games don't actually work on mobile devices, and that both ABC and Hulu have blocked, and will continue to block access to their sites from mobile devices running flash.

"Our goal, clearly, is that most Flash content should just work. But some sites are going to work better than others," said Adobe technical marketing director Anup Murarka. Almost all existing flash based sites need to be re-designed to accomodate touch screen gesturers and mobile screen sizes. If you have to do that already, why don't you just use HMTL web standards?

The truth is that flash on a mobile handset provides absolutely nothing for a user except for frustration. I can't wait until android users start browsing the web and find flash sites that don't suppport touch gestures while their phones start blasting embedded commercials and delivering spyware. Sounds AWESOME!

Could it be that "PhilipD" is an AKA for Steve Jobs, or do they just share the same argument?

This post has been edited by rbcline: 21 May 2010 - 06:53 AM

[thegeniusfiles]

I am interested in PhilipD'Agostino's prediction of Flash spyware on Android. Also, Flash "cookies" can store and retrieve a lot of user data. What are the privacy implications for Android users?

[DonniesDad]

QUADICON, on 20 May 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

jmklei0, on 20 May 2010 - 09:37 AM, said:

Looking forward to an FM Transmitter built into the phone. Seems like it should be able to be done already.

The Incredible has a FM Radio App...why do you need it to transmit? Can easily just plug it into the AUX. if I wanted everyone else to hear what I am listening to, I can just roll down the windows...LMAO...(sarcasm)
I want an XM Radio...not Slacker or Pandora or iHeart....just straight XM where I can change REAL station and still be able to skip songs I don't like. FOR FREE.

What about bluetooth/A2DP?

[VicStone]

PCWorld, on 20 May 2010 - 08:13 AM, said:

Post your comments for First Look: Android Version 2.2 (Froyo) with Flash Player 10.1 here

Anything that boosts internet speed. I'd like to have those 5 home screens that were discussed for 2.1. I'd also like to have Google auto-fill.

I have a Moto Droid. It's far exceeded my expectations. Despite warnings from the tekkies, it ain't that difficult for this old fart to operate.

[HansPedersen]

ytpete, on 20 May 2010 - 02:41 PM, said:

SeanLeroysBoySanders, on 20 May 2010 - 10:05 AM, said:

your actually right. if developers gonna have to optimize it for mobile device that might as well do it in html5. on engadget they said & showed how buggy flash was & how html was a lot more crisp & fluied (i cant spell)

Where in the Engadget review of Flash 10.1 do you see them talking about it being buggy? They demoed a bunch of sites working perfectly, and one where the video player wasn't optimized for mobile yet. That's not "showing how buggy Flash is."

They also didn't say anything about HTML being more crisp or fluid. In fact, the comments on that article point out that HTML5 Canvas is a lot slower than Flash -- just look at this benchmark:

Just ignore him. He's an iPhone troll.

Rich content with HTML5 require Java. noooow... please remind me, why was it they invented Flash in the first place? Oh yeah, because Java is painfully slow and incredibly buggy.