[os2baba]

Soneira pretty much lost all credibility when he did the study of the displays of the Android phones and 3GS to show that the 3GS had a better display because hi-res images looked bad on the Android. At first glance he seemed right until, people started posting about the fact that he used different softwares on the 2 phones and the in built gallery software on the Android had a bug and the images looked identical when using a third party software. Any one can make a mistake. Soneira lost credibility when after being made aware of it, he didn't pull down or correct the article. This guy is a fake.

[popojack]

Jealous much?

[PeterChang]

12 inches? Really? That feels awfully close and I'd probably have really bad eyesight if I did that.

Personally I hold it comfortable around 1 1/2 feet (which is 18 inches) so I'd say Jobs is being pretty accurate here.

[MichaelSchmid]

Steve Jobs never said 'human' retina.

[M3kw9]

It exceeds at 18 inches so Apple is still right.

[keithbporter]

I'm just glad it doesn't have a Rectal Display

[honkj]

NCSUCPE, on 09 June 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

J I always appreciate when companies are called to task for their false claims.

how about when an "expert" claims that the arc is .6 when it is not, and does not understand the difference between 2 distinct elements does not apply to the eye, nor to anti-alaised pixel based hardware/software?

when do you take them to task?

simply put, i challenge ANYONE even the superHuman at .6 arc to hold the phone at 10" to 12" and try and see between 2 pixels...

This post has been edited by honkj: 09 June 2010 - 11:13 AM

[bmforbes]

NCSUCPE, on 09 June 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

Jason,

Steve was very careful if you listen to the keynote. He said that at 18", the eye could not distinguish pixels over 300 dpi. Your expert agrees. It is "Retinal" at 18". Good marketing too but he didn't claim more than what you found.

John

I agree. Seems this article is just another 'analysis exaggeration'.

[edelbrp]

Shesh, you could probably go back 20 years and find the same analysis to the marketing of laser printers. It's a marketing term for the high resolution display to distinguish the product from others, that's all.

[NewWorld]

KLanD, on 09 June 2010 - 10:16 AM, said:

Yes they do.

Since "Retina Display" is an Apple catch phrase for their new display.

Does "Retina Display" actually mean anything?

No, it's just a buzz word, something Apple loves to use.

Words mean something only by definition or usage. Jobs made quite clear what he meant: having a resolution comparable, at a normal reading distance, with the retinal limitation of the eye.

So, yes, it means something, and it is a testable claim, not just a "catch phrase.".

[DTNick]

keithbporter, on 09 June 2010 - 11:11 AM, said:

I'm just glad it doesn't have a Rectal Display

Yes. That would be quite unfortunate.

[Mazinkaiser]

JohnPasquale, on 09 June 2010 - 10:24 AM, said:

Another one of Apples Gimmicks to attract customers.

No doubt the phone has a beautiful display, its just don't blow it out of proportion when you darn well know that other screens on premium smart phones can be just as nice.

I'm still looking for that next great innovation from apple but haven't seen that since the first iphone release.

there never will...hell, the iphone is nothing more then a current technology version of the first "smart" phone released in 1994....

[samiup]

ok, so pretty much ALL ANDROID phones provided a decent resolution for their users for more than a year, here comes Apple with pretty much the same thing (only years late), and so that nobody notices that they are just playing catch up, they gave it a weirdo name and claim ultimate triumph.

what the f is wrong with the world these days, are people getting dumber or what?

This post has been edited by samiup: 09 June 2010 - 11:54 AM

[BenGregg]

offthewall, on 09 June 2010 - 10:06 AM, said:

I guess it comes down to WHERE you hold your iPhone from your eyes. I just measured and I hold it 19" from my eyes. That seems to fall into Dr. Soneira's estimate of the resolution of the retina.

I totally agree. I mean, c'mon--who holds their phone 12 inches from their face? If you need to do that, then you need glasses. If you need glasses, then you probably can't see those darn pixels anyway. Why are people such wet blankets anyway?

[nonseq]

JohnPasquale, on 09 June 2010 - 10:24 AM, said:

Another one of Apples Gimmicks to attract customers.

No doubt the phone has a beautiful display, its just don't blow it out of proportion when you darn well know that other screens on premium smart phones can be just as nice.

I'm still looking for that next great innovation from apple but haven't seen that since the first iphone release.

Admittedly it's Jobs doing what he does best, selling and getting people excited about his products. Instead of disparaging him for this we all should applaud him. Apple probably will never create a new technology for their devices but Apple will promote those devices and the technology in them in a way that drives the whole market segment (which Apple may have created or brought back to life) forward. Without Apple I suspect that phones running Android would be several years behind. After all, development is expensive and most manufacturers don't willingly replace a product with a better one unless someone in the market creates a demand for the new technology or idea. Like them or hate them, Apple has created a market for many products that would not otherwise be there.

As for innovation, I am surprised at your comment unless by innovation you mean invention. Innovation can also be taking existing technologies and putting them together in different ways to develop a market. The iMac, iPod, iTunes, and iPhone with the AppStore, and now the iPad are major innovations. It might be argued that Apple created very little of the actual technology and concepts required but they did combine those concepts and technologies in ways that created markets that were not there or were dormant in very innovative ways.

I know the "purists" in here just love to hate and bash Apple and do so regularly and with great zeal but perhaps it might be better to see that Apple really opened the door in the consumers' minds to whole new product categories, product categories that provide opportunity for everyone in or outside of Apple.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with marketing. Without marketing most if not all of us would not have jobs or retiremet security. I'm grateful that Apple is very good at it. It means prosperity for all of us.

This post has been edited by nonseq: 09 June 2010 - 12:16 PM

[eldernorm]

offthewall, on 09 June 2010 - 10:06 AM, said:

I guess it comes down to WHERE you hold your iPhone from your eyes. I just measured and I hold it 19" from my eyes. That seems to fall into Dr. Soneira's estimate of the resolution of the retina.

I agree.

The author said, "So the iPhone has significantly lower resolution than the retina. It actually needs a resolution significantly higher than the retina in order to deliver an image that appears perfect to the retina." and I think he is wrong.

I too hold a display about 18 inches away and at that distance the iPad would be at a higher resolution. Now I am being picky... just like the author...

The key comment is that the display is really great and within reason, you will not be able to see pixels. PS. some of us old folks do not have that good of vision. I just checked my old iPhone. I can see pixels if its closer than say 6 inches. Beyond that, they are invisible.

Just a thought,
en

This post has been edited by eldernorm: 09 June 2010 - 12:40 PM

[scottwilkins]

Talk about an ANAL story. Who really cares about the name of a product? It just doesn't matter.

[QUADICON]

What else is new. Most of the claims of Apple products are exaggerated.

BTW Apple...when in a call...on my HTC Incredible I can open an application and use it and keep talking on my phone at the same time. Same as iPhone. How? Bec my phone has real multi-tasking.

Here are things I can do that aren't exaggerated. My phone can tether, file transfer over bluetooth. Has an FM Tuner. Can be used as a mobile hotspot. I can also edit video and pictures with the use of free 3rd party apps. Exchange support is 3rd best behind Blackberry and Windows Mobile. My phone came with application for reading and editing Word, Excel and PDF documents. Has an 8MP camera now. Android does everything iPhone 4 still can...and Android doesn't exaggerate. When will people stop living as if Steve Jobs words are a breathe of air?!

[joeldm]

In Jobs description at the Keynote:

"The Retina display has 326 pixels per inch. There's never been a display like this on a phone. People haven't even dreamed of a display like this on a phone. But, it's more than that. It turns out that there's a magic number, right around 300 pixels per inch that when you hold something around 10 or 12 inches away from your eyes is the limit of the human retina to differentiate the pixels. And so they're so close together when you get at this 300 pixels per inch threshold that, all of a sudden, things begin to look like continuous, continuous curves. Like text looks like when you've seen it in a fine printed book. Unlike you've ever seen on an electronic screen before. And, at 326 pixels per inch, we are comfortably over that limit."

I think PC World is learning impaired . . . .

[joeldm]

QUADICON, on 09 June 2010 - 12:55 PM, said:

What else is new. Most of the claims of Apple products are exaggerated.

BTW Apple...when in a call...on my HTC Incredible I can open an application and use it and keep talking on my phone at the same time. Same as iPhone. How? Bec my phone has real multi-tasking.

Here are things I can do that aren't exaggerated. My phone can tether, file transfer over bluetooth. Has an FM Tuner. Can be used as a mobile hotspot. I can also edit video and pictures with the use of free 3rd party apps. Exchange support is 3rd best behind Blackberry and Windows Mobile. My phone came with application for reading and editing Word, Excel and PDF documents. Has an 8MP camera now. Android does everything iPhone 4 still can...and Android doesn't exaggerate. When will people stop living as if Steve Jobs words are a breathe of air?!

I've been using smarthphones for some time. Before I had a Treo 650 I had some Mitusibishi monstrosity that had specs that, were you to transplant them to today would probably appear to stack up well against modern smartphones. You know it surfed the web, did photos, email, texting, had apps, mapping program and so on. And yet it was unusable for most of these things and the things you could do required painful setup. Same for my Treo 650. It was closer though.

But the iPhone was the first TRUE smartphone. It sets up your email accounts for you, surfing the web is like surfing the web. Apple makes doing these things easy because it's all integrated into a package that works across the board without setup or downloading apps to edit video and I'm guessing that editing video on the Incredible ISN'T the seamless experience it will be in two weeks when I upgrade to the new iPhone.

It doesn't take but a few minutes to realize that Android phones are NOT what their supporters claim to be: as easy and as powerful as the iPhone. You can't even upgrade all your apps with one click. Yes, the Incredible is probably the closest (to iPhone 3G), but non-smartphone people who are contemplating buying one, be sure that you actually go in and LOOK at the Android phones and compare them and what they do out of the box to the iPhone.

It's NOT the same experience. It can be MADE TO APPROXIMATE the same experience, but at some point you'll run into something, like app-lag or Android Early Battery Death Syndrome because Android multitasking isn't the same as iPhone 4G multitasking it quickly drains the battery because of the wild-west approach to apps in the Android world. Apple keeps the apps store locked down because it MATTERS to end users whether or not their phone is locking up and has to be restarted, it MATTERS to end users if the battery dies quickly when multitasking or doing other things because the OS hasn't been fully optimized to the hardware.

Apple makes the software AND hardware because they learned early on (and we Mac users know) that when you control both you get a better end-user experience.

Can an Android phone be made to work like an iPhone? Sure. Just be sure it doesn't require your geek brother-in-law to make it so.

JoeL
Atlanta, GA