[waldojim]

PingYang, on 16 July 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Also, saw a couple of aberrations :
"Ubuntu 12.04 is way easy to install and use than Windows 7." : this post's author should get a rope and hang himself... Windows has always been the easiest OS to install. And once install is done, it's usually ready to use. Far from true for ANY Linux distro. After a sometime long install process, you have endless nights of bash/vi trying to get that last PCI card to work.

I also read a lot about people installing Linux for their grandmas, kids... and that it always work fine. Question is : would they have been able to do it by themselves ? Also, from my personnal experience, end users always feel like they cannot use their computer to its best with Linux. I remember when the eeePC came out shipped with Xandros. From the 15 units I sold, 15 came back to me asking for a Linux format and Windows XP install...

Before telling people to hand themselves, think before you speak.

First, if Linux hadn't shown Microsoft the way, we would still be using text based installers.
Second, Linux cleaned up the install to a few short, simple steps, and included everything on install. Not the MS method of click a few times, wait a while, click some more, wait some more, and click some more, back to waiting, and so on. Also, Windows requires hours of Driver installations after install. Linux might require one or two depending on the distro and hardware. Even then, when using Ubuntu or Mint, the driver install is as simple as: clicky the little balloon that is telling me a need drivers, tell it yes I want them... and wait a few minutes. All done. Sure beats "now what website did I need for my Nvidia drivers?"

Answer to your question: Yes they can. My dad is 60 years old, and installs Linux on every PC he owns.

eeePC sold with a butchered copy of a great distro. Most also sold with a 2GB SSD that was far too small for the OS, as the OS needed 1.8 just to install. So is that a fault of Linux or Asus?

[srksaurabh]

Linux is damn hell. U all linux lovers always favours linux for what. Ubuntu 12.04 crashed my Toshiba 320 GB hard disk after i installed it with alongside option provided in Ubuntu 12.04 installer. U all linux lovers criticized Microsoft because it makes a licenced product under its own terms and conditions and hey stop challenging Unix because if there is no unix in the mid 60's or 70's then there is no linux in 1991. U challenge MS, just look it into your self your linux based office programmes like libre office, open-office.org are little kids in front of MS-Office. OS is a far bigger market first just make ur office programmes better than compare linux with Windows. U said linux is highly secured, highly customizable runs most of the super computers of the world. But u didn't tell about the malwares and viruses specially made for ur penguin.Stop just stop criticising Windows. Yes on a certain point i can agree that previous versions of windows lacks security but i can damn tell you that my windows 7 running Toshiba is fully secured, doesn't have any malware or viruses right from day 1. Yes android is a great mobile eco-system running on linux kernal but the credit goes only to google for making it so simple and not to the rest of linux community, although android lacks the hardware stabilty, one app running smoothly on 2.2 Froyo but not 2.3 Gingerbread or ICS 4.0. U know there is a bad news for u all linux community Windows 8 uses UEFI which doesn't allow linux to run alongside windows, u can call it monopoly as u all always said open-source lovers. So, starting thinking u all independent lovers and developers to install linux alongside windows 8. But, hey don't crash anyone's hard disk. Also, u all mentioning about cloud running mostly on linux, yeah it's true at some point. But, don,t forget Windows Azure and SKY DRIVE. They all are Microsoft SaaS and Highly Secure i can tell you because i am using Windows Live for 3 years now and not urs Ubuntu cloud.Every OPERATING SYSTEM IS UNIQUE AND AS GREAT AS OTHER Because it's a hardwork of a team which gives a lot of things for its development.Every OS has its own role and use whether it is Windows, Mac OSX, Linux, iOS, JAVA, Solaris. So, stop critising and use ur favourite OS according to ur suitabilty..For me Microsoft is always and will be forever in my heart. I am writing this post on a Windows PC and not on Linux..

This post has been edited by srksaurabh: 10 August 2012 - 12:27 PM

[waldojim]

srksaurabh, on 10 August 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Linux is damn hell. U all linux lovers always favours linux for what. Ubuntu 12.04 crashed my Toshiba 320 GB hard disk after i installed it with alongside option provided in Ubuntu 12.04 installer. U all linux lovers criticized Microsoft because it makes a licenced product under its own terms and conditions and hey stop challenging Unix because if there is no unix in the mid 60's or 70's then there is no linux in 1991. U challenge MS, just look it into your self your linux based office programmes like libre office, open-office.org are little kids in front of MS-Office. OS is a far bigger market first just make ur office programmes better than compare linux with Windows. U said linux is highly secured, highly customizable runs most of the super computers of the world. But u didn't tell about the malwares and viruses specially made for ur penguin.Stop just stop criticising Windows. Yes on a certain point i can agree that previous versions of windows lacks security but i can damn tell you that my windows 7 running Toshiba is fully secured, doesn't have any malware or viruses right from day 1. Yes android is a great mobile eco-system running on linux kernal but the credit goes only to google for making it so simple and not to the rest of linux community, although android lacks the hardware stabilty, one app running smoothly on 2.2 Froyo but not 2.3 Gingerbread or ICS 4.0. U know there is a bad news for u all linux community Windows 8 uses UEFI which doesn't allow linux to run alongside windows, u can call it monopoly as u all always said open-source lovers. So, starting thinking u all independent lovers and developers to install linux alongside windows 8. But, hey don't crash anyone's hard disk. Also, u all mentioning about cloud running mostly on linux, yeah it's true at some point. But, don,t forget Windows Azure and SKY DRIVE. They all are Microsoft SaaS and Highly Secure i can tell you because i am using Windows Live for 3 years now and not urs Ubuntu cloud.Every OPERATING SYSTEM IS UNIQUE AND AS GREAT AS OTHER Because it's a hardwork of a team which gives a lot of things for its development.Every OS has its own role and use whether it is Windows, Mac OSX, Linux, iOS, JAVA, Solaris. So, stop critising and use ur favourite OS according to ur suitabilty..For me Microsoft is always and will be forever in my heart. I am writing this post on a Windows PC and not on Linux..

Well, the majority of Linux users can spell, and use proper words when trying to convey a message. While I am no grammar stickler, that mess was so hard to read that I gave up at the second sentence. It wasn't worth deciphering.

[SamTzu]

I always get great laugh when I read comments like this...
"It's is well known that Microsoft dominates the overall server market."

I don't know the facts, but I would be willing to bet that Google alone has more Linux based servers than the rest of the worlds companies have Windows based servers. But since the opposite seems to be a well know fact who am I to dispute it.

I really don't care. What I do care about is the problem we are facing with when the Windows based DeskTop users are trying to access the majority of the internet servers (which are Linux based). There still exists problems with "sharing data" between these two different technologies. I'm betting the mobile devices Linux/Android avalanche will finally bring Linux the that last holdout - Desktop. I'm eagerly waiting the first Android based DeskTop OS. The rest of the device (categories) are all ready there. Modems, routers, mobile devices, internet servers (Including Apple based iOS devices which are basically modifications of BSD OS which is basically a modification of Linux which is basically a modification of Unix.)

Did you know that they allready sell more than 1.000.000 Android devices every day? What OS can compete with that?

[anarchybob6]

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U know there is a bad news for u all linux community Windows 8 uses UEFI which doesn't allow linux to run alongside windows, u can call it monopoly as u all always said open-source lovers. So, starting thinking u all independent lovers and developers to install linux alongside windows 8.

I am multibooting windows 7, 8, ubuntu 12.04 and linux mint 13 at the moment. UEFI has nothing to do with linux. You think that your harddrive crashed, I bet your dumbass didn't install the Grub bootloader right. If your hard drive did break then it had nothing to do with linux. You should really learn how to use a computer before you try linux. windows and osx are for noobs and old people. I am assuming you are 10 by your spelling and grammar so i suggest u stick to simple windows 7.

Also an operating system is as vulnerable as you let it be. Another huge concern for individuals is to be careful who's wifi you connect to. All operating systems, internet browsers and most other software use javascript and I have heard that there was a recent exploit in java. of course the exploit is much less of a threat on my secure linux os than it would be on windows. Honestly I use windows for school and games and thats about it i wouldn't use it at all if Wine would work better.

[dgnath]

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Paul9i55 said
I also read a lot about people installing Linux for their grandmas, kids... and that it always work fine. Question is : would they have been able to do it by themselves ? ..

Can a grandma or a kid install Windows by themselves? If its a clean install (not a dual one), ubuntu installation on a moderately new pc is as easy as windows (Windows installation takes more time and restarts). Of course there is additional installation requirements of codecs, but the primary installation is more or less the same difficulty/easiness for both.

[dgnath]

Sorry for misquoting the comment. The earlier comment was in reply to PingYang, not Paul9i55.

[waldojim]

dgnath, on 05 November 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

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Paul9i55 said
I also read a lot about people installing Linux for their grandmas, kids... and that it always work fine. Question is : would they have been able to do it by themselves ? ..

Can a grandma or a kid install Windows by themselves? If its a clean install (not a dual one), ubuntu installation on a moderately new pc is as easy as windows (Windows installation takes more time and restarts). Of course there is additional installation requirements of codecs, but the primary installation is more or less the same difficulty/easiness for both.

Can they install it? Sure. Linux installation has never been easier.

Can they make it work afterwords? Good question. Will that oddball network card work correctly? Or that latest Intel HD 4000 video card?

[MartinvanderLouw]

I have used Linux, Unix, Windows 3.1 to 8, OSX and they all had their pro's and cons so I won't get into the argument which is better but I noticed one thing here. Lot of ppl say that linux based systems look so much better and are so much more customisable..... bollocks... it isn't.
You can customise ALL systems to your hearts content, you want Ubuntu to look like Windows? can be done. you want windows to look like OSX? can be done, you want OSX to look like ubuntu? can be done.

currently I use Windows simply because most of my software is for Windows (Games, Office, Converters etc) and since I PAID for this software I like to be able to use it. As far as security goes.. that is in your own hands, if you have decent virus and malware scanners and a decent setup of your firewall you are as save on Linux as you are on Windows or Mac
I am working with pc's since 1993 (introduction year of Windows 3.1 in my country) and are amazed that this Linux/windows/Mac war still is going on today
btw did you know OSX is UNIX based

[BrowserByte]

1. Privileges

On Windows XP, the default user (when the OS was installed) is given Administrator privileges be default. On Vista, 7, and 8, the default user is still given Administrator privileges, but the User Access Control feature of the operating system allows the user to run in [limited] access, while still being able to easily switch into Administrator access when needed/wanted (think of it like an instant Linux sudo).

However, if an account in Windows is set to limited access, then that account in Windows cannot access Administrator privileges, without having a username and password of an account with Administrator privileges currently on the computer.

Both Windows and Linux can accomplish the same thing: giving users limited access to the computer.

Linux is not superior, better, whatever, when it comes to security.

No amount of Linux will help you if you set all of your accounts to be able to sudo to root. Same for Windows (giving all accounts Administrator access).

Ubuntu Linux will automatically let the default user have sudo access to root. Where is the security in that???

If a virus executes under a limited user on either Windows or Linux, you have a better chance at saving the OS, than if a virus executed under Administrator enabled account (on Windows) or root account on Linux (possibly even a root sudo-able account).

Read this comment:
http://scalibq.wordp...gn/#comment-278



2. Social Engineering

If Windows users would run limited user accounts, they would be much better secured than running with an account that allows them Administrator privileges (UAC or not). However this is really user silliness.

If you got an e-mail and opened the attachment, you did it to yourself, not the OS or anything/anyone else.

Be smart…don’t open e-mail attachments in suspicious looking e-mails. Also, be careful of e-mails that look like they came from your bank, Facebook, Twitter, etc. If they request information and/or have an attachments, you can bet a 95% chance that it is a fake e-mail.


3. The Monoculture Effect

The 100+ of Linux distributions make it more confusing for new Linux users (and even users who have used Linux). Having 100+ Linux distributions is not necessarily going to give you much more security. All it takes is someone to write a virus (and is successful in implementing the virus) for the most popular Linux distributions and have you have probably a good 60%+ of Linux users affected.



4. Audience Size

Doesn’t matter how many people use an operating system (or the software running on it), the operating system’s (and program’s) security stays the same. Having 10 million people using Windows and its programs and 10 million people using Linux and its programs would not alter the security of either operating system or software.

Let’s pretend I wrote a program and it had a security problem. Now if 10 people used my program, would not the program be as insecure as if 1,000,000 people used it?

If one of your reasons that Linux is secure is because not everyone uses the same software program, that is ‘security by obscurity’. Since if there are security problems with a particular Linux software, the security problems are still there regardless of how many people use the software (they just may not be found and/or exploited as fast as if a lot of people were using the software).


5. How Many Eyeballs

Technically having many people looking though source code can help with fixing security problems and whatnot. However, this also allows attackers to see how the updated code runs, which I think would help them a lot.
Also, the idea of having everyone look at the code and fix it does not always work out the way it is expected to.

http://scalibq.wordp...loit-for-linux/

http://scalibq.wordp...sql-com-hacked/

http://scalibq.wordp...ernel-org-hack/

You still have security problems with running Linux. The idea of “Linux being secure” is just not what it is cracked up to be. Everyone is free to choose, but please don’t spread the idea that “Windows is less secure than Linux”.