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Why Apple Fanboys Are So Wrong About Flash

#1 PCWorld

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:42 PM

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:58 PM

The lack of Flash on iOS isn't a huge deal for me, but I suspect that if Apple really wanted to, it could license Flash from Adobe and build its own implementation of Flash for iOS, much like what it did with PDF support in its Preview app on Mac OS X.

QuickTime used to support limited Flash playback:
http://en.wikipedia....e#QuickTime_7.x

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 01:09 PM

the fact that you even used "fanboy" in the title says enough about your maturity...

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 01:15 PM

JosephBates, on 31 August 2010 - 01:09 PM, said:

the fact that you even used "fanboy" in the title says enough about your maturity...

You're probably right about my maturity, but FYI, I didn't write the headline.

The headline I wrote is here: http://blogs.compute...2/android_flash

This is a syndicated version of my original story from Computerworld, and the title was changed by someone else along the way.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 01:54 PM

I am neither an Apple, nor a Google fan-boy. I hate them both equally. I do think that Google is right on this issue. options never hurt anybody. Of course, one could argue that Apple's whole business model is based around not having choice.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 03:15 PM

To play the devil's advocate, choice is good, but too much choice is bad. One thing that Apple has criticized about Windows is having 1000 ways to accomplish the same task. If you design a GUI, and you are giving the user 10 ways to do a task, you are not doing your job well. So Apple's ideology is not completely wrong. it is best to figure out the best way to do a task, and only implement that way instead of implementing the best 10 mediocre ways you can think of.
However, Apple play on this issue had more to do with taking over Adobe's turf by force. It seems like it will not work at this point, and Apple will have find a honorable way to retract from its stance.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 04:24 PM

Great news for Android 2.2 users.

It doesn't mean Adobe has a viable version of Flash for iOS at the moment and it doesn't mean that what Adobe had available at the time of the iPad's launch was anything but what Jobs claimed it was.

What makes you think Apple "fanbois" don't want Flash? Maybe because we don't whine and complain and stamp our feet as loudly as those who don't actually use Apple products? We like our devices for our own reasons (or we wouldn't have bought them. According to surveys, we're mostly a fairly educated bunch, haven't you heard?) We accept the apparent limitations that are part and parcel of using iDevices because they do a lot of other stuff we like very well. I would love to have Flash on my iOS devices, but it's not a deal breaker for me.

If Adobe has perfected Flash for iOS, all they have to do is demo it to prove Steve Jobs wrong in a very public and humiliating way.

I'm still waiting...

...and I don't think Steve Jobs is losing any sleep over any impending humiliation.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 04:32 PM

JosephBates, on 31 August 2010 - 01:09 PM, said:

the fact that you even used "fanboy" in the title says enough about your maturity...

Two things,

There really are fanboys out there. The press gives them this title, as does virtually every other written or podcast media I've seen. It has nothing to do with maturity. It's merely a classification. Get over yourself.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 05:57 PM

42n81, on 31 August 2010 - 04:24 PM, said:

Oh yes, we can tell, the majority of the Apple purchases go to teens/tweens, and they are certainly quite well educated... None of them doing the stupid things kids do out of peer pressure. :rolleyes:

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 09:33 PM

I use a IPad, obviously without Flash. However some sites are compatible. Isn't HTML 5 the future anyway?

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 01:30 AM

PtownMarc, on 31 August 2010 - 09:33 PM, said:

I use a IPad, obviously without Flash. However some sites are compatible. Isn't HTML 5 the future anyway?

The (very) distant future, maybe, but by then, Flash will have matured also.
Plus, HTML5 doesn't have all the features Flash has (even now).

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 01:48 AM

Flash sucks on IE.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 02:44 AM

The fact remains that if the content was not optimized for touch it won't work even with flash on your phone. So the acertion of you been able to see all the web is just not true.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 04:18 AM

waldojim, on 31 August 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

42n81, on 31 August 2010 - 04:24 PM, said:

I don't do the surveys and I don't publish them. I only remember and mention the ones I find favorable.

More to the point, don't you think it's about time Adobe shows us they can actually do Flash on iOS viably?

The "Adobe loves Apple" campaign just didn't do it for me.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 06:09 AM

I'll be honest: I'm no fanboy of Apple. But I actually don't miss Flash on my iPhone because, coming from a (flash-enabled) Nokia touchscreen, the iPhone is so much better in every other way.

HOWEVER, the next phone I buy will definitely be an Android given that Android is now just as good as iOS, and with Flash-support and open development.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 06:23 AM

Still, every battery review I've seen with new driods has the caveat "with Flash disabled" ... Can you point me in the direction of the Android phone with better battery life than the iPhone ? Furthermore, how well does you Android work with a dead battery ? Do you get to experience the 'entire web' ?

Because of the pressure Apple has put on Adobe, Flash is becoming a better product. If anything, you should be thanking Apple. Not still crying in your beer that a company has a wildly successful product that you happen to not like ...

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 07:36 AM

Quant, on 31 August 2010 - 04:32 PM, said:

JosephBates, on 31 August 2010 - 01:09 PM, said:

the fact that you even used "fanboy" in the title says enough about your maturity...

How about you get over your ignorance, Quant? The term "fanboy" suggests a person who will accept and defend whatever a particular company offers, without critical thought or good reason. It is a pejorative term, and as Joseph intimates, immediately slants the article. Rather than encouraging level-headed discussion, it immediately alienates those who are labeled.

Steve Jobs has argued that Flash on mobile devices is buggy, a battery drain, and slows down the entire system, and tests of Flash on Android have proven him correct.

Of course, Android fanboys think otherwise.

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 07:42 AM

It's surprising to hear you're not having problems with Flash on 2.2, from the mass of complaints on the Web it would seem there are significant performance issues with mobile Flash (just as Jobs predicted). Also, how is 2.2 dealing with all the Flash sites that are not multitouch friendly? I see very serious issues here to work out.

Or are you giving us just a glossed-over view of how 2.2 is handling Flash?

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 08:25 AM

I can't wait until the first Android touchscreen tablet comes out, and MORE revisionist history is written.....I can hear it now...."Google came up with the idea of a touch screen pad way back in 1985!!"

Also, I guess the writer of this article failed to realize that even microsoft has come out and said that flash is horrible, and it won't be on there phones.... but you know, they don't have Jobs and all, so you can't go all orwellian or draconian, since microsoft offers "choice" as well.

I made my CHOICE and when my buddies are busy rebooting and re-rooting there android phones, and wondering why this app works, and this one does not, and (eventually cus you know its coming) they have to download security software just to ran do thing (a la another co. with "choice") I will continue doing stuff on my devices, instead of spending my time getting them to work. Enjoy your flash!

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Posted 01 September 2010 - 11:03 AM

Notice one thing about this pro-Flash article: there is no description of actually playing anything. On this, there are numerous articles indicating that it's sluggish and buggy.

And in none of the articles describing actual usage do the authors get down to details like battery usage.