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[dazeddan]

Who cares? Who would use Safari for Windows? It such a bad browser that I don't any Mac users that use it anymore. They all use FireFox or IE for Mac. As a developer we have more problems designing around Safari than any other platform. I wish it would just go away. Apple designs a lot of good products, Safari just isn't one of them.

[spencerlmp]

I use Opera as my main browser. I downloaded and tried out the Safari Beta. I was underwhelmed. Firefox and Opera users will find that Safari is lacking in many features that those other browsers have. There are very few options available. Its skin is an unattractive gray, and I could find no way to change or reskin it. In use, Safari resembles K-Meleon (a stripped down Firefox) more than a full featured browser, yet even K-Meleon offers more features.Most irritating to me was that text is rendered very oddly.The text is very thick looking, even at the "Finest" font smoothing setting, thereby breaking the intended web page design. All other graphical browsers display text correctly, surely Safari could as well, if they wanted to.The only reason I can think of for using Safari is for checking how it renders my web pages. As for using it as a web browsing tool, I can think of no reason for Internet Explorer users to swith to it, much less Opera or Firefox users.

[AuroraDizon]

its a beta..

[pcwcraig24]

You tell 'em Aurora baby!

[Dejavu]

dazzedan above states:[quote:2d8bfc77c7]As a developer we have more problems designing around Safari than any other platform.[/quote:2d8bfc77c7]This does not make sense, because you should be designing for standards like HTML4, XHTML, CSS, DOM, etc. And once you design for standards, you will find that things work across browsers. Look at Google Gmail, the poster child of a Web application pushes the limits of browser technology, which worked fine in Safari even though it was not designed and tested for it, and even though Gmail gave a warning message that it was an unsupported browser (Opera users also got the same message and it also worked with them, once Opera added the XMLHttpRequest() function).So either you are going beyond what mainstream standard implementations can provide (a "worst practice" because developer-driven projects sacrifice compatibility in favor of vague usability-oriented goals that in practice are less usable). Or you are making an off-the-cuff slur not substantiated by the facts. The Safari browser uses the same core engine used by Adobe Apollo and Linux browsers like Konqueror. Early on in the Safari lifecycle, Apple discovered bugs in the core rendering engine and these were fed back into the core codebase, and that was a long time ago. I have used Safari as my principal browser for two years and have not encountered any problems with it. I have developed Web applications that run well on IE, Firefox, Opera, Camino and Safari, and have not seen that Safari deviates from the norm more than the others.

[alexmc]

[quote name='dazeddan']Who cares? Who would use Safari for Windows? It such a bad browser that I don't any Mac users that use it anymore. They all use FireFox or IE for Mac. > > > > As a developer we have more problems designing around Safari than any other platform. I wish it would just go away. Apple designs a lot of good products, Safari just isn't one of them.well that's just crap from someone who's never used a mac, I think --- Mac users use: Safari, Firefox, Camino... but IE? haha, that could have been up to 2003... but none uses IE unless they're stuck with OS9

[alexmc]

[quote name='Dejavu']> > and have not seen that Safari deviates from the norm more than the others.Instead, ppl who "develop for IE" usually (if not always) render applications that don't work in any standards compliant browser... :DIt's not been "released" yet... unless windows users consider alpha and beta software "release quality" software...well... vista users may Very Happy(is there a way to merge my posts here in 1 single one?)Edited by Cosmo, done ;)

[ClaudeBalls]

[quote name='dazeddan']Who cares? Who would use Safari for Windows? It such a bad browser that I don't any Mac users that use it anymore. They all use FireFox or IE for Mac. Nobody uses IE for Mac. What a preposterous claim. I manage several websites, and IE for Mac is never on the stats. IE for Mac hasn't had any updates in over 5 years. That's as dead as can be in the browser market. Safari, on the other hand, is widely used among Mac users. It has some idiosyncrasies with javascript, but otherwise is fairly solid. Normally I wouldn't even bother replying to this, but your inanity just got quoted as some kind of gospel truth on another PC world column.