[piyushsingh]

This is not the case with vista only. It was the same with earlier windows OS also. Leave windows , linux and mac OSes are also patched continually, all the 3 rd party applications are updated and patched regulary. So you should get a rebate on all purchases ? Or should all applications be made free ? If people think that way, then there are tons of open-source software present.

[Karnthebetrayer]

I too went out and bought Windows Vista Ult. I'm Running a Duel-Core at 2.4 with 1G RAM and a 128mb (reads as 256 thou) Video card with a high def on board audio card. Vista ran great once I updated the proper divers for it. However I have switched back to XP MCE 2005 because Vista is WAY to slow. What a waste of cash. On the up side Im going to throw in more ram someday and hope that works. Still you do need a beast of a Computer to use Vista.

[rgreen4]

Over Christmas I was visiting with an old friend and his wife. One of their daughter's and grandson are living with them temporarily, and he received a new e-Machines with integrated video, a C2D E4500 and 1GB of memory. The OS was Vista Home Premium. His Uncle had already de-crapified it and removed Norton's, and we installed Avast and Superantispyware.

It runs fine. He was happy as a lark, and had the wireless set up and was playing some of his games on it. (Don't ask which ones as I'm not a gamer).

This is why the vast majority of users are more than happy with their machines with Vista. Many of whom run with only 1GB.

My three machines are a little more powerful with dedicated video cards and 2GB of ram. I recently boost one to 4GB when Newegg had a promotion on the exact ram I have in my built up machine so since I still had two empy sockets, i figured I wouldn't get a better deal. The only problems I have had have been with one program. Quicken 2008 won't print right on my lasers, but Quicken 2006 on the same machine prints just fine. That's a program problem, not an OS or printer problem. Everything else works fine.

I do know that not all older periphials will work, but that is a driver issue. Drivers come from the device manufacturer. If a manufacturer chooses not to write a driver for an OS, that is between the customer and the manufacturer. All OS's currently on the market have this issue with the lack of some drivers for a particular OS, this is not unique to Vista, not even unique to Microsoft.

[RastaMon]

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the vast majority of users are more than happy with their machines with Vista.

Any actual data to back that statement up? It is inconsistent with my anecdotal observations (which themselves do not constitute data), as well as the general opinions expressed on this and other forums.

[Evildave]

Doing an obscenely unscientific survey, I came across this right off the top of my head with Google.

"I Love Vista" Results 1 - 10 of about 34,500
"I Hate Vista" Results 1 - 10 of about 40,700
Pretty close for these milquetoast terms.

Let's try some more visceral colloquialisms.,,
"Vista Sucks": Results 1 - 10 of about 212,000
"Vista Rocks" Results 1 - 10 of about 27,600
"Vista Rules" Results 1 - 10 of about 16,100
"Vista Is Awesome" Results 1 - 10 of about 553

Overall, based on my spotty Google survey I'd say the majority consensus is "Vista Sucks".

Even if you stick with love vs. hate, 50% is a FAILING grade pretty much everywhere... and Vista doesn't even get that.

You Microsoft shills out there aren't doing a good enough job! For shame! Get on the ball and post how much you adore Vista, how you want to have its babies and can't live without it for even an hour. Spam everything, everywhere!

Added:
OK, I finally found one that's a little better for Vista. But it's going to be hard to top "Vista Sucks" (in quotes), at least for pertinence to what the search is about.
"I like Vista" Results 1 - 10 of about 130,000

Its interesting there are about half a million articles about downgrading to XP.
DowngradeVista Results 1 - 10 of about 504,000

There are millions of articles about upgrading to Vista, but someone's shoveling money and making offers and deals to get millions of blurbs about that out in the public. Nobody would pay to put an ad that says "Downgrade back to XP" on TV. Well... maybe Apple might.

[rgreen4]

Let's see, adding the "I hate Vista" and "Vista Sucks" together, I get 252,700 references. Divide that by the at least 100,000,000 licenses issued, I get .2% (that's two tenth's of a percent) negative. Which is a damn small number.

It may not actually be that high, since many of the negative postings are repeats, of repeats, of repeats . . . . . . . . . . . ad infinitum.

And a great deal smaller than the phrase "everyone", or "most people" hate Vista. The truth is, most don't really care one way or another.

[piyushsingh]

see this , LOL
"i love vista" {size:-1}Results 1 - 10 of about 73,400,000{size}

"i hate vista" {size:-1}Results 1 - 10 of about 777,000{size}

get ur calculators out . just a change of capitals leads to this, though i know its not true. Same is the case with ur results.
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[Evildave]

Uh, no. You dropped the quotes, so anything with I... Love... and Vista, in any order with any intervening words (which could to a view from out your window) in the same web page will make a 'hit'.

[piyushsingh]

ok sry for that, it just slipped out of my mind. Thanx for reminding me. :-)

but
wont it be same for "i ......hate...... vista" . Also if you do the
same with quotes for "i used vista","i tried vista","i installed vista"
,the results will be much lesser than "vista sucks". Most ppl have the
habit of saying a thing is bad even when they havent used it , just by
seeing others.
Any way, googling in such a way is certainly not
a good way to judge such issues. No one can force anybody to use a
particular OS, neither can someone persuade anybody to do a similar
thing. USE WHAT SUITS YOU BEST is the way to go.

[Evildave]

I didn't say it was a "good" method :)

Google is case insensitive, BTW. You might change the order of some of the results slightly, but still get the same results. You can also add sort-of regular expression things to it. Vista*Sucks. There really isn't a good way to filter for time, either. It would be nice if you could reduce the articles and pages down to what they said before Vista was released, shortly after it was released, and a year after.

[piyushsingh]

hmm, and if there had been a time filter sort of thing, then we cud have checked similar things for XP and others also , just when they were to be released , just after release and an year after that. That comparison would have been more reasonable.

[fuzz]

My laptop has the vista capable logo sticker and barely runs it smoothly, has an amd tl-60 2ghz dual core with 2 gigs of ram hangs up alot and considering microsoft already has another os in the works makes me wonder if they gave up up on vista as well. I had ultimate on my desktop and the only real difference between the versions is hardly worth the price range, considering that it doesn't come with much of anything extra in it.I've tried all the versions except home basic and would've figured for the price of ultimate would've gotten more with it, instead i put xp and xubuntu back on it and runs smooth, also put xubuntu on my laptop and that runs alot better. i just look at vista as another win me, too many problems to be a viable alternative to the many other reliable and cheaper os's on the market today. and with them pulling xp off the shelves they ultimately want you to buy another pc just to use vista

[rgreen4]

Let's see, did you ask for any assistance from the PC World Community? - Probably not since the above is only your second post. Did you run de-crapifier to remove all the "free" and "trial" goodies your PC manufacturer put on it? Probably Not. Did you remove the Norton's or McAfee security suite that most come with and are documented to cause slow down problems with VISTA AND XP AS WELL? Probably Not.

Do you know what the difference between Vista Home Premium and Ultimate are? - Answer - Ultimate takes Home Premium and adds the Business Features, so if you don't need the Business features, you are right - there is no advantage for the extra cost.

Had you done a clean install on either machine (difficult to do without buying an OEM disc since manufacturers only provide recovery discs now) you would probably have had a better running machine. This was also true in XP, however, so the manufacturers loading up the machine with crapware is not a new feature.

I am glad you are now having a good computing experience with Linux derivatives, I just wish you had given the Community a chance to help solve some of your previous problems.

[fuzz]

all my installs either xp or vista were oem so yes they were clean installs so nice assumptions but they are invalid.I work on pc's part time and have tried many different os's and vista is by far the worst with performance and reliability. I'll just cut my losses with the oems i purchased/installed since the ultimate is now useless. i cant get it activated since sp1 trashed the installation and have yet to be able to get it activated again. only thing changed was the installation of sp1 and after the last fresh install says it is already activated and not being a ms registered pc builder contacting the manufacture is out since i bought it from newegg.com and microsoft reps arent the easiest to work with either.

[Evildave]

You can use 'activate by phone' to get it activated. The people on the other end of the line will generally not give you any hassle. It's annoying, but only takes about five minutes assuming you get through.


They'll even 'activate' a virtual machine with the same serial number as your computer as long as you tell them it's running on the same machine as Windows is installed on.

[CTKEN]

Please reread my second paragraph. I believe I acknowledged this conceptual issue is not restricted to Vista or Microsoft. Where we part company is my insistence that companies deliver on their promises. Any product that required weekly patches identified as critical or important is a result of shoddy work, exceptionally poor quality control (testing), and a lack of management accountability. If I pay for something it had better work or I will complain vociferously at every opportunity including communication with management, non-executive members of the board of directors, major shareholders, or Venture Capital firms in the case of newer companies. Additionally, we release warning bulletins to our clients about our experiences with a vendor or product on an as needed basis.



In my example earlier in this thread, I noted the inability of an HP scanner to play nicely with Vista even though it is sold with the explicit marketing it is certified fro Vista. I gave HP two choices: fix the problem ASAP or return the money. Let's just say that under duress HP elected to refund the money. Our new Epson works perfectly by the way.



If you still don't get it, do a search on Cumulative Security Update Internet Explorer KB 944533 IE7. Don't bother reading any hits from a Microsoft page. Assuming you actually do some research, you will learn that in February MS released the CRITICAL patch discussed in KB 944533. You will read an odd assortment of problems: many cannot get the patch to install and those that did install it want to know how to uninstall it. It would appear the patch stops IE7 from working. We were lucky; it would not install.



Using your logic this should be perfectly acceptable since all OS have patches and fixes released. I would ask how could a critical patch for IE7 get released without sufficient testing to know the cure is worse than the disease. Inexcusable. Somebody should get fired, and I don't mean some programmer. This is an absolute management failure because the proper controls were not in place to prevent this nightmare scenario. Oh, I forgot to mention that numerous folks have indicated it is quite difficult to remove the patch and could eventually lead to a reinstallation of IE7.

[CTKEN]

Not a good test. Keep in mind all those people that cannot use their browser because of the critical patch. How can they post in the numbers necessary to reflect how the majority feels?

[CaptainKeyboard]

Your chagrin is the reason why I am sticking to my guns. I bought my first computer, Cybernet in 2002. I have Windows XP Professional SP2. I use Office XP Professional that included Publisher 2002. The good-old operating system and the office suite of programs work perfect for me. My computer does not catch many of the system "let-ups" that end up in breakdowns. I can perform a professional typewriting service with this keyboard and a Canon color laser printer and achieve top-notch results. If Windows Vista is an excellent operating system, it should not need an enhancement program such as a service pack. Now that my operating system has a service pack for the sake of operating on the internet, I have everything that I need. - Captain Keyboard

[jakthebomb]

remember XP has 3 SPs

Windows 2000 had 4 SPs

Vista will Most Likely have 3 SPs

so how can you ask "if windows vista is an excellent os, it should not need an enhancement program such as a service pack." because you can't single out vista.

jakthebomb

[rgreen4]

If someone says they want an OS that does not need enhancements or "Service Packs" or "updates" they better get the book on how to use an abacus.

They might have trouble finding a qualified mechanic for their Model T also.

Even the plain old typewriter went through updates, upgrades and enhancements, hence the change from the old "upright" to the low-profile, to electric to the proportional spaced Selectric.