[JimH443]

I hate to say it, Cypher126, but the anonymity of the net allows folks to be who they really ARE. What they seem while visible and mixed in with society is what they really aren't.

[kane117]

When I got the Orange Box for Christmas, I was pleased to get Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 with Portal. Before I quit playing Team Fortress 2, I was playing round after round of capture-the-intelligence-briefcase. After a while, I found my niche as a soldier guarding the back door to the basement while standing with the virtually impenetrable supply room to my back; first aid and ammo were less than a stone's throw away. As we lost again and again, some younger player wearing a headset said something to me to the effect of, "Why don't you do something useful instead of standing in one spot?" I asked him what he wanted me to do and pointed out that he hadn't offered any suggestions. In the next few rounds, I played as a scout and captured two or three briefcases, though we still lost AND we lost at a faster rate than before. Seems like the problem wasn't with me after all and the vocal player was being needlessly rude.

[JimH443]

While I agree the person was rude, frustration has a way of doing that. :) I don't believe anonymity of the web was much of a factor though. This is the type of comment also made during F2F paintball contests. Trust me on that. LOL!

[JoannasPoohBear]

I find I must comment on a post by Pags regarding his participation in the World of Warcraft funeral raid.
He is exactly the type of jerk we see now on the internet.
What he failed to realize is that his raid was probably the lowest that any gamer could stoop. Yes its just a game. Then again it is so much more than that! Through these games we build communities and clans. We make friends and even lasting relationships. For many members of the community holding that funeral, it was the only way they could pay their respects for a fallen real time friend. I find Pags and those that participated in the raid with him despicable and disgusting persons with no respect for human life and the friends and family we make along the way.
With gaming communities built from persons 100s of miles apart, our only ability to interact is through our PCs. As these communities grow and become a prevalent part of society, Pags and others like him will find themselves on the outside looking in.

[JimH443]

I'm curious, do you even play WoW? Are you aware that an integral part of the game is that players attack each other? Are you aware that the particular server the deceased chose to use was set up in such a way to allow MAXIMUM "PvP" (as it's referred to) interaction? This indicates that raiding was likely an aspect of the game that the deceased enjoyed, and I find it quite FITTING that the services were raided. (FYI, I was unaware of the raid until days afterward when I read about it).

[JoannasPoohBear]

"sigh". Obviously you didn't understand the message behind my post Jim. What I was attempting to impart is that the games of WoW, Everquest, CSS, TF2, and others like them have led to communities. I haven't read the entire report of the raid. But I am surmising that there was an announcement of the funeral. A group of seemingly desperate players looking to make a name for themselves decided to take advantage of what to them appeared to be a golden opportunity to inflict additional pain on a community of friends who were celebrating the life of one of their own. We speak of jerks on the internet. This was what I consider to be one of those incidents of jerks. Meeting in game was for them a way to honor their friend. If they had wanted to honor him with a battle, then I believe they would have advertised it as such and invited all comers. Not sat around waiting to be slaughtered.



As for what I play. I play CSS, TF2, TF2 Classic, COD4, and a myriad of other first person and strategy games.

[rkinne01]

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[JimH443]

Oh, I understodd your message - I just don't agree with it. The PvP servers draw people who actually enjoy this kind of thing, which is why I only play on PvE servers.

[AuroraDizon]

I play on a PVP server not as much to choice because all my friends are there and thats what they prefer. I have gotten use to it, either way, its not like they were randomly attacked (although I haven't actually read about the incident). It seems to me what it comes down to is respect, not only for them their friend but also the way we treat gaming in general. There are a lot of people who look to it as many people use to look to "online" as. Oh, its not real.. everyone lies.. etc Of course those days are coming to a close. Many spend a lot of time on World of Warcraft, and those friends are just as close if not closer as any you may know offline.
Just like the internet. The main problem I see is when most people hear that someone attacked a mourning for a friend on Wow is people want to laugh. They don't quiet understand the seriousness friendship via WoW.
No one PVE or PVP should be less respected in a time of moruning. They knew what they were doing, and it wasn't right.

[JimH443]

Here's the way I look at it: If you put yourself in a situation that draws jerks, you have absolutely no right to complain when they ACT like jerks. No, not all PvP players are jerks - but those who really enjoy being jerks will be drawn to them. Face it, jerks "gank." Ganking is next to impossible on PvE servers, so guess where they'll play.



If you play WoW, you know the services could have been held in a major city where the raid would have been much more difficult to pull off. They didn't do this. WHY they chose not to is unimportant. They knew the game and they knew that raiding is / was / will always be a possibility. To expect 100% of the population to respect their tribute was naive to the extreme.



Remember: Societal rules are created by the population.

[JoannasPoohBear]

Aurora,

I agree with what you are saying. As the internet has grown, it has become a huge melting pot of all types of people. Communities are developing with friendships and families being created and held together by this wondrous medium. As we (most of us anyway) would respect a person's/group's right to gather and mourn in R/L, so should we in V/R. In our lifetime I forsee many more online communities where great and grand friendships are created where the persons never meet in R/L. Persons of the Jerk caliber will never understand this mentality and will find themselves shunned and shut out just as they do in R/L. And as many have already found out on the servers I play on, being shunned and shut out is much easier to do online than in real life.

[AuroraDizon]

A lot of people actually spend more time on wow then they do socalizing in any form off wow. People don't get it, they think its funny, when its far from it. Its just mistunderstandings. My friend had a saying, on how the anoymity of the internet warrents people to act like jerks. Much like the anoyminity in cars, people will cut you off to turn a block later because they can. Yet no one in line at a resteraunt would cut infront of you then flick you off.

[s029039]

You want to know why people like Pags or any other troll loser from 4chan or ED does what they do? Because they expect us to give them attention. Why else would they be verbally abusing others online? Because it sure as to hell doesn't seem funny to me. Why you guys felt it good to feature someone like him on your latest magazine brings awe to me. If we give people who have no souls, dwelling in their mom or dad's basement with a bottle of red bull and their privates in hand to assault others for no reason other to generate a bastardization of comedy, then they have already won half the fight. And they know they can't be punched back if they do so. I say ignore them. Don't feed into their pointless lives with our valuable attention. Fighting against losers is not only a waste of time, it just makes them feel like they have struck a nerve.

[shaun317]

Anonymity is great ... sometimes. But it's not always a good fit for sites that publish user content. And we all know how time-consuming (and futile) it can be to try to block abusive users.
Enter Truyoo.
Truyoo (www.truyoo.com) promises to bring civility to the Web with its Good behavior Guarantee:
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Using Truyoo, you can wipe out abusive users for good, prevent poll tampering, verify users' real names, and eliminate comment spam.
Pretty revolutionary, isn't it?

[scottager1]

7 years of college and 24 years old !
Abdala is a spoiled child. She'll get her "reward". Just has to wait a while.

[PurpleOne]

Yeah, I know of one particular forum replete with jerks, from the staff right down to the members: Blu-ray.com

[HaudNomen]

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