[TheBigOldDog]

Could someone show Mike the real world where 80% of users turn off UAC and the other 20% would like to if they could figure out how?

The UAC approach to security is no security at all.

I bet you've got it turned off, don;t you. I bet you either have it turned off or you simply hit OK without even thinking about it.

[keiths]

Monkey Boy recently admitted that UAC was put in Vista to make it uncomfortable for people to live inside their Vista admin accounts. He thinks security would increase if people were to issue themselves user accounts with fewer privileges.

[TheBigOldDog]

Intentionally aggrevating your customers is a brilliant strategy. Look how well it worked out for them.

[keiths]

Just heard they are taking another run at Yahoo, maybe with others to help. Microsoft has always been much better at buying software than writing it. I remember sometime ago they told the world that MSN was going to be the greatest search engine. I've never heard anyone say anything positive about MSN.

[geogray]

Ok, first things first...this is a column from Computerworld, who, if I recall, are the ones who started the stupid 'petition to save XP'. Correct?

@TheBigOldDog: Sir, I think you are wrong. I know lots of people who run Vista successfully. They like or are indifferent to it since the computer is just a tool to them and they do not care what it runs as long as they can work. Not one of them, including myself, have UAC turned off. I don't care if you believe it or not. Vista is a huge leap from XP in terms of security. As for speed, I'll bet Windows 95 runs circles around both XP and Vista on just about any new machine--provided you can get it to work. As tech moves on, XP will be harder and harder to maintain. Vista's biggest problem: a handful of bloggers who hated Microsoft, Computerworld, CNet and Microsoft, who are guilty for not responding to those funny but wrong Apple commercials.

Ripped from the PCWorld Headlines:
http://www.pcworld.c...e/146256/vistasdespiseduacnailsrootkitstestsfind.html

[300DShooter]

If PC World continues to print this kind of bunk, I may have to go elsewhere for my tech news and info. Please, give me a break and print only the facts. This kind of childish rant belongs on the OS X forms, not here. You already lost me as a mag customer, don't make me cancel my email subscriptions too...

[keiths]

Show me which of my statements is not factual. I don't see any facts in your statement.

If you can't learn from this blog, maybe you would be happier in a D&D blog.

[300DShooter]

It seems the only reason your participate in these discussions is to argue with everyone else. Show me a statement of yours with a fact in it.

[keiths]

Sure, read back through my statements.

Until you came along, we were presenting facts and experiences with Vista and other versions. You are the one trying to take us off of the topic here.

[rgeiken]

Vista is Good, UAC is Bad!!!! Once you get your new computer with Vista installed, find out just what you need to do to disable UAC and all reference to it. It has to be one of the worst ideas that Microsoft has come out with since WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage). Actually Vista With 4 gig of ram and a quad processor will be the greatest computer that you have ever had. I have that configuration with Vista, and couldn't be happier. I also have SP1 installed, and I have had the computer shut down correctly every time I turn it off, which is something that I couldn't say for my copy of XP. If you have an older computer, don't upgrade to Vista, since it may turn out to be a pain in the you know what. With at least a dual processor and 2 gig of ram, the computer should run fairly good. With a quad processor and 4 gig of ram, it will run like it is on Steroids.

[geogray]

Well, actually rgeiken, Vista runs well on a single AMD Sempron running at 1.7 ghz and a gig of ram. The machine has an ATI x1650 video card and plays just about all of my kids games (save for SimThemePark...which did not play under XP either.) Rollercoaster Tycoon 3-which was really sluggish under XP, runs great. Parental Controls is probably the best reason for parents to upgrade. They do not replace parental supervision, but they work and work well.

[ElectraGlide]

I hated Vista when I was forced into it as an only choice for my Sony Laptop. It took removing the Sony version and using a retail upgrade and reinstalling all of the drivers from scratch. But I now have a very stable, quick laptop and would never think of returning to XP. I just don't miss XP very much. The stability, mainly after SP1, gave me the confidence to try Firefox and other things I would have never done with XP.

The Vista Business version shadow copy and system backup have gotten me out of my own problems and saved me without a hitch.

And can't you think of a better word than "dumb". It sounds juvenile.

[MarioJP]

I have installed windows vista sp1 Ultimate oem, and i have yet to look back at XP.

[rgreen4]

The reason SimThemePark won't run in XP or Vista (or Win2K either) is that is was written for the Win9x series of OS. I once purchased a package of software for Win95 shortly after it came out and had SimCity, Visio and one other package I can't remember. SimCity and the other packages were dumped long ago, but Visio (v4) still worked through Win2K and XP although I stopped using it long ago and have never even tried installing it in Vista.

[geogray]

I had SimThemePark running under Windows 2000. It would crash once in a while, though. If I recall, it was something funky about the fonts. I think I had to download a patched font and/or one of the files for the game...I don't rememer. I do remember that the 'tricks' never worked in XP, though I had read that some people did get it going. Not worth all that effort, though.

[keiths]

UAC is an overly sissified method of stopping us with an admin ok box to make sure we know we're doing things we've been doing since the first version of windows. Easy to disable in user accounts.
I found drive indexing to be a pain too. Took up many gigs of drive and searching didn't seem to improve. But it makes filenames stick around long after I've deleted them. Never saw that with earlier versions. Easy unclick in c: drive properties.
My first Vista box is a 17" HP notebook bought in 11-07 with a dual 1.9ghz AMD and 1 gig of ram. Worked fine but I do a lot of Adobe apps, so I went to pricewatch.com and bought a 2 gig stick from newegg for $35. The only casualty caused by Vista has been the scanner in my 4-in-1 printer won't work from Word or the printer itself anymore. The clip organizer in office '07 can get the scanner to work. Besides that, Vista is fine with a few goodies and a vastly improved look, one hell of lot less headache than XP in its first year or so. I absolutely love the file search thing in windows explorer, very un-Microsoft like. Much too slick for them. I went for the Vista SP1, can't tell the difference in anything. One friend accused me of not using windows, thats why I'm not seeing
many problems. His opinions don't mean much, he complains about anything that doesn't say Leica on it. I told him I use CS3 Photoshop, Flash, &
Dreamweaver to design websites.



Office '07 is a pain. Imagine taking all of the menu items from all of the apps, cutting them up into tiny pieces, and then have a blind person put them back up along the top of each app. I'm having fun watching a friend who can't spell pc, trying to figure out office '07.



Another example of why Vista is a cake walk: For those who were around when MS came out with dos 6.00, everyone was hating and attacking it. MS sent out swat teams to various magazines to try and calm the perception of the problems that came out of test machines. MS didn't get dos 6.0 right until they came out with version 6.22. They then came out with 6.23 which was the last version before leaving us with windows. Windows was just a toy until it caught on with the corps with version 3.1.

[swittels]

Nonsense.
I have been using it for 6 months without SP1 and it works just fine.
Don't know where he is coming from

[rtfire1]

Wow!! will look at that a mac fan boy basting microsoft in pc world whats new. This is why i no longer pay to recive what once was a great mag at home!! inport tuner was more then happy to take my money and there mag is not a bunch of fan boys well not the bashing type.

[okidok]

I agree with the original post. Vista sucks period. It is a repolished XP. Not worth the upgrade and not worth a penny.



Smart people will notice right away that, VISTA is not a major upgrade. Shame on microsoft to put a repolished XP and call it a new OS.



Too bad for such a company that show their best, and their best is the worst act.

[300DShooter]

Okidock,



You must have cut and paste this response from one of the Linux fan boy sites. Good effort!! Thank for your input you tool.