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Posted 22 July 2008 - 08:36 AM

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 11:58 AM

Canonical has made incredible strides and created lots of "Linux innovation".

For example, to easily and quickly install Linux in Windows, you can: 1. run Windows, 2. go to the Open Source software site below and click on the Download link and 3. double-click on the (single) downloaded file, and install Ubuntu Linux "over the Internet" on a Windows system.

http://wubi-installer.org/


Then, if you need to, you can uninstall Ubuntu Linux in the same way as you uninstall any Windows program!

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 01:46 AM

Editor should know that Gnome is not Linux OS UI. It is just a Desktop Environment (Application) what runs top of OS. You can have multiple different UI's for one OS (Linux) but none of those are part of OS. You can even run OS without a UI, using only a applications itself.
This is so wrong that magazines like PC World, does talk about systems as they were OS's. You are just spreading disinformation about technology.

Ubuntu is not different OS than Fedora or Opensuse. It is just a one distribution of many, all using same OS.


In my conclusions, Canonical is already late on these technologies, only thing what it can do well is marketing. Before Ubuntu, there was projects to install Linux inside Windows, but Applications for Linux were not ready then, so Linux did not spread yet. Canonical just came right time when Gnome got polished it's desktop, Linux got better hardware support so it were running on different machines, and Canonical just added nice theme for Gnome and slogan "Ubuntu" for it's Linux distribution. We have lots of Linux distributions what offers small system for this kind devices, with nice desktop. DSL kinds. We have KDE 4.1 running on cell phones and other custom UI's too. Linux is just spreaded so wide that we dont anymore even know what it can do and what not. Only thing what some people is trying to do is limit everything to Canonical and Ubuntu, while forgettin all the bigger projects and efforts what brings stuff to Ubuntu and makes it as it is now. Why we like to be blind against all others expect a Ubuntu? Because it is Canonical or the distribution name what makes us blind?

Just for my 2 cents.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 05:51 AM

I agree with some of your comments, Fri13.

Linux is the OS kernel (only) and a Linux distribution, like Ubuntu Linux consists of many "Linux" (free open source software (foss)) software components, such as the GNU commands, X Windows, a desktop (and the default desktop for Ubuntu is GNOME).

However, Canonical has provided several Linux innovations that didn't previously exist.

For example, you mention that all Linux distros having dual-boot "Linux and Windows" capabilities and this is true.

But, Ubuntu Linux (as directed by Canonical) has a fantastic new free open source software (foss) component called "Wubi" (for Windows-based Ubuntu Installer).

With Wubi, you can easily install Ubuntu Linux on an existing Windows system "over the Internet" without having to download and burn an Ubuntu Linux ISO file to a Linux CD - or get (delivered by mail) Ubuntu Linux on CD!

You just run Windows, go to http://wubi-installer.org, click on the "Download Ubuntu Linux Now" button and this downloads a .exe file to your Windows desktop.

Ubuntu Linux Training Tips: Always back up all of Windows (twice) before installing anything, including Ubuntu Linux.

Double-click on the downloaded Ubuntu Linux .exe file, put in a password and install Ubuntu Linux "over the Internet". That's it!

This installs Ubuntu Linux in a folder "in Windows" and creates a "new type" of dual-boot Windows and Linux system.

The "old type" (older method) of creating a dual-boot system could create havoc for your Windows system. It could modify the boot loader of your system so that you couldn't boot into Windows - especially if you uninstalled Linux (any version, including Ubuntu Linux).

The "Wubi" (for Windows-based Ubuntu Installer) modifies the existing Windows boot loader - rather than overwriting it with the GRUB ("old type") boot loader.

After installing the "Wubi", you reboot and get a menu giving you access to Windows or Ubuntu Linux (not both at the same time).

With the "old type" of dual boot system, you couldn't uninstall Linux (any version, including Ubuntu Linux).

With the "Wubi", you can uninstall Ubuntu Linux in the same way as you uninstall any Windows program!

When you use the Wubi to install Ubuntu Linux on an existing Windows system, you can either boot into Windows or boot into Ubuntu Linux. Therefore, you don't have access to both operating systems and the programs and data files of both operating systems at the same time - for that, you need to use a Linux virtual machine.

You can have a look at the free Ubuntu Linux book blog and see an Ubuntu Linux book being developed - daily.

And you can comment on this book and help develop its progress!

http://www.UbuntuLinuxBookBlog.com

You can contribute to an Ubuntu Linux training book!

I welcome your comments, suggestions and Ubuntu Linux training questions.

Clyde Boom






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Posted 25 July 2008 - 03:34 AM

boomerz37: Wubi is just new technology over existing onces. Before Ubuntu, I have installed Linux inside Windows partition and booted it from there, without doing partitions. The thing what Wubi now does, is this installation on the windows, but to own partitions.
Network installation has be possible much longer than Ubuntu has be there. So Wubi just mix few technologies together. I dont say Wubi is not great software, but it does not have all the innovatives alone, because it relies to other technologies so much ;-)

And the Linux is THE OS, alone. If you check all the requirements what software is needed to provide before it can be called a OS, Linux does everything, and lots of more.
Reason for this is because Linux is monolith kernel and not a microkernel like other popular OS's use, those two different architecture shouldn't be mistaken to one.
Linux is not "just a kernel". It is OS, but you can ripp off OS services from it and make it only a kernel and replace some of Linux's OS services in other ways, then you get OS what use Linux as kernel, like on Google's Android and then it is different OS than Ubuntu, Fedora or Debian, and it ain't Linux distribution either, because it is different OS.
Here is the difference, http://en.wikipedia....-structure2.svg
These two kernel's architecture should not be mistaken as one and same kind.
This is the reason why Linux is so popular because you get the whole OS with it, you dont need to build all other OS services itself.
And many mistakes the distribution and operating system to be one and same thing. And most people talks about the complete software system, as it would be the operating system. For non-tech people, it is hard to understand that OS is between hardware and applications, but the OS is not the whole package what you get when you install Ubuntu as example.
Wubi is good sofware because it drops away those MD5Sum and other things, but it brings few others too with it. I suggest for normal users just to borrow the distribution disk from library or buy a magazine if I cant offer them it as disk.
Canonical is doing good job for spreading Linux, but same time, it will only spread Ubuntu over other Linux distributions, soon we might have situation that we have Canonical controlling Linux world, as Microsoft is controlling PC world.... And it is nothing more than nightmare, what should not happend... That's why we need to informa users about truth what is OS, what difference is "OS kernel" and "Kernel of OS", what are "Distributions" and what is Free software's idea.
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Posted 26 July 2008 - 09:49 AM

One great thing about the Wubi (Windows-based Ubuntu Installer) is that it lets you can "uninstall" Ubuntu
Linux.

You can uninstall the Wubi (Windows-based Ubuntu Installer) in thesame way as you uninstall ANY Windows program.

With "old style" dual-boot Windows and UbuntuLinux systems, you can't uninstall Ubuntu Linux (or any Linux version youinstall)!

And if you remove Ubuntu Linux (or any Linux distro) fromyour system, then the GRUB (boot loader software) is also removed and then if youtry to boot into Windows, you are usually unable to. So, after trying Linux,you can't boot into Windows and you have to take some drastic steps eitherrepair the system or get your Windows programs and data back.

And very often this situation is a disaster. People install Linuxto try it out and then when they're finished (and decided to install Linux on anew system - or decide they don't want to use Linux) they can't remove UbuntuLinux (or any Linux distribution) from the MBR (the Master Boot Record - used to boot a Windows / LInux system)!

It's relatively easy to removeLinux partitions (programs, data and so on), but not at all easy to get the MBR back to the way it was - with the Windows MBR instead of the Linux (GRUB) MBR.

So the Wubi (Windows-based Ubuntu Installer) is a HUGEbenefit to people that just want to try Ubuntu Linux without messing up their hard disk and their Windows system.

bq. Ubuntu Linux Training Tips: Always back up your system -twice - everything - before doing ANY installation of anything.

I have seen countless Linux forum posts where Linux users are begging for a method of removing Linux from the "boot record" (a.k.a MBR, master boot record) so that they could get their Windows system back and be able to use it!

There is no easy way to uninstall Ubuntu Linux from an "old style" dual-boot Windows and Linux system.

But now it's super easy to install Ubuntu Linux and if you don't want it on your system - you just uninstall it. So, this makes the Wubi a huge new breakthrough!

Have a look at the Ubuntu Linux book blog to see an Ubuntu Linux book being developed - new Linux training info every daily. You can also comment on this Ubuntu Linux book and help develop its progress!

http://www.UbuntuLinuxBookBlog.com

I welcome your suggestions, Ubuntu Linux training questions and comments.



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