[PCWorld]

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[rsultan]

Coming from someone who is both a Software Engineer and a Muslim I think it's important to calrify the difference between censorship and respect. Censorship is manufactured through fear and ignorance, while respect is grown from a culture of mutual understanding. Sony's action's are not that of censorsihp, but of respect. Since when did censorship trump mutual respect? This is not an issue of religion as I would expect the same action from Sony if any form of inappropriate material made its way into any of their games.

[superdynamite]

A person takes a picture of Jesus on the cross submerged in urine and we call it art (Andres Serrano's Piss Christ).

LittleBigPlanet has 2 lines from a bible in a song, and everyone lose their mind.

We live on a planet that digresses with each passing second. Weak-minded, spineless, illogical buffoons.

[aahmed753]

I completely agree with rsultan, however, I do think this is bit extreme. First of all, translation of the Qur'an (Koran) is NOT regarded same as actual scripture. Any Islamic scholars will tell you that. There are lots of verses in Qur'an, if translated would be same as any normal sentences that we use in our daily life... and in music for that matter.
As long as the texts are not being used to insult or offend any religion explicitly, there is not problem.
In my opinion, I don't think it's Muslims who were offended by this, but non-muslims.

[rsultan]

[~177759] just to clarify, I heard the soundtrack in which the verses were mentioned. They were mentioned in the original Arabic and not in an English translation. Freedom of speech is like many other things a tool. This tool can be used responsibly and constructively or can be used to burn bridges in any aspect of life be that religion, politics, relationships, sports, and yes even gaming.

[aahmed753]

hmm, i listened to the track too, i didn't say it was in English, it was some language I don't understand, but couldn't hear any Arabic... In that case, I don't know the Islamic vertic on this. But I know what you are saying, you are talking in general how Islam and it's values are being used and treated in the world today justifying by saying "Freedom of Speech" - in that case I completely agree with you. But for this case, I don't think this was an attack... well I don't know what the singer is saying anyway..

[aahmed753]

I hate when they do that. I am Muslim and ONLY REASON I don't watch Family Guy and South Park is because they constantly mock at Jesus. I swear I am trying to find a way to put up a website where Muslims and Christians can come together to protest against such acts. In Islam, Jesus is considered as Prophet sent by God, and we are ordered to respect ALL prophets.

There is freedom of speech, and then there is stupidity. Just like Freedom of speech does not work when someone yells some kind of terror threat in the air port, it should not also work when spoke against religion and it's figures.

[rsultan]

I agree that I don't think this was an attack. The music for the game was actually contracted out to a music label. I don't blame Sony at all as I'm sure Sony had a clause in the contract that included copyright and some level of appropriate contract. So props to Sony for doing the right thing and shame on the music label for trying to sneaki this over Sony's head.

[greybigtop]

SONY are cowards bowing to tyranical threats from primitve superstitious fools.
Remember the fact, that ALL religons are so obviously manmade nonsense/fairytales concocted by psychos in order to control idiots.
It works very well, mainly due to the billions of idiots on planet earth.

[greybigtop]

who cares about primitive tribal superstitions and infantile fairytales like the socalled "bible" and the socalled "quaran"!
ALL RELIGIONS are nonsense!

[aahmed753]

The fact you are an atheist, you are also part of that religion atheism, you idiot. Idiots like you who thinks his grandfather was a monkey makes me believe that may be darwin was onto something...

[tm1919]

As a Christian, I'd like to see you set that up. I'd even be willing to help.



Especially in the West, the elite cultural gatekeepers expect tolerance for everyone, except Christians. To make matters worse, a few Muslim hard-liners have successfully leveraged this weakness for relativism and pluralism. These small victories do nothing to allay the Westerner's fears that Muslims in general are using "our" freedom of speech, religion, etc. to undermine those very freedoms. The kind of Web site you are suggesting would highlight the real issues and show that Muslims and Christians, while disagreeing on key religious points, are united in their rejection of the cultural sewer into which the elites have led us.

[madmadbunny]

That is absolutely Fing retarded. A song has a sentence that just happens to also be in the Qu'ran, there are probable hundreds of songs that have a lyric that also appears in the Qu'ran. What is censorship going to do next, not allow the same words that happen to appear in the Qu'ran?

[mbarnes]

Since when did censorship trump mutual respect?
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[mbarnes]

So the record lables have finally created the proverbial infinite room with an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite numer of typewriters? Maybe you'd have first hand experience?

[AuroraDizon]

Ok guys seriously lets keep this civil. If you feel you have been personally attacked feel
free to pm me or any one of the other moderators, there is also an
abuse button below each post. no personal attacks, keep the discussion
on topic.

[spoz]

Let's indeed
keep the discussion civil - but let us not avoid the central issue of WHY Sony
pulled their game, which is revolting to
the entire idea of freedom of ANYTHING, let alone speech. Namely, the world is being held hostage by
Muslim extremism, and I, for one, have
had enough.
I am a practising Christian, a Catholic. We are CONSTANTLY bombarded by prejudice and
mud-slinging. Do we go out and threaten to
blow up embassies and kill people who mock
us? No! We practice what our religion teaches us, and follow the example of Christ: we pray for those who
mock us.
We must stop this knee-jerk
cow-towing to Muslim censorship.
Specifically, rsultan with the
comment, "Coming from someone who is both a Software Engineer and a Muslim
I think it's important to clarify the
difference between censorship and
respect," is perpetuating this fallacy! Sony
pulling their game has neither to
do with censorship nor with respect. Respect does not come from fear - it is earned on the basis of moral
qualities that can be admired. Sony is
bowing to the same kind of terrorist concerns
that blew up Danish embassies and saw innocent people
killed.
The world must stop bowing
to Muslim extremism - you will note the word
"extremism". As has been earlier posted by a Muslim, this state of affairs is
getting ridiculous to most ordinary Muslims, too. Yet, North America
is increasingly being conditioned to
cow-tow to extremist Muslim demands. We did not ask these people to come here from their Muslim
countries. They chose to join us.
Why then should we allow them to
impose their demands on us? THEY are the newcomers, and, as such, must integrate
into the society they have chosen to live in. Why should that society bend over
backwards, five times, to accommodate them? Why can't we learn from the
Australian example to draw the line, and
tell Muslims that they are very welcome to join us, but ON OUR TERMS, not on
theirs? We have a constitution that spells out
our rights. Muslims have no mandate to change that constitution, or those
rights.
Sony should be ashamed of perpetuating this cow-towing
nonsense.

[rsultan]

Spoz begins his comment by indicating that he has certain knowledge that Sony pulled their game because the world is being held hostage to Muslim extremism. Sony has in fact indicated that they believed the content was used inappropriately in the soundtrack of their video game.
Spoz then delves into the world of generalizations, using the example of Catholicism as the anti-example to violence by Muslim extremism. Suffice it to say that Christian history has shown us period of violence, such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, KKK, and IRA for starters. A more recent example can be taken from the Iraq war in which president George Bush’s administration with the backing of congress (which many profess to be devout Christians) invaded Iraq under false pretences which has resulted in an entire nation left in ruins. However, we cannot make the generalization that these periods of violence were a result of the inherent teachings of Jesus Christ, which is quite the opposite. The truth is extremism occurs in all groups whether they are secular or religious due to ignorance and a life of close-mindedness characterized by the very generalizations that spoz mentions.

The following words are engraved in the Statute of Liberty, "Giveus your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..." There is a willingness for Western Nations to accept immigrants and a willingness for immigrants to migrate to those Nations. Welcoming people “to join us, but ON OUR TERMS” is not integration, but rather assimilation. Integration is achieved by fostering a culture of understanding and mutual respect. Spoz the very constitution that protects your rights is the same constitutions which an American Muslim Capt. Humayun Khan died for in Iraq.

Extremists are not born; they are manufactured via internal and external influences.

[greybigtop]

Religious zealot´s, tyrants and dictators have always tried to control everything around them, - including what people says, think, write and do!

That´s of course the main purpose of any religion.

If people wants to believe in non-existing trolls, fairies, gods, ghosts, etc. that´s their business.

But that they want to force the rest of us back to the dark ages is intolerable.

PS:



A piece of needed public info:

Freedom of speech does NOT mean the right to be political correct and/or say what superstitious people find non-offensive.

Freedom of speech means, that you are willing to fight for other peoples right to say all the things you find most repulsive, wrong and offensive.

What muslims and others want is that religion shall be excempt from critisicism, ridicule and scorn.

And they are using the salami methods to get there, just look at Durban-II.

Religion is a curse on mankind and it´s the obligation of any decent person to fight this hideous nonsense!

[aahmed753]

Freedom of speech mainly about politics so that people can fight back against mischeif by government or against people in charge. If your definition of freedom of speech is taken, don't get upset if someone comments how ugly and fat your girlfriend is. Then actually you should stand with him to protect his right to say whatever ridiculous he has to say to express his view and opinion. Idiots.