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[MuntherKubba]

I agree with you 100%. Apple can NOT claim that the iPhone provides great web experience without Flash. Steve Job's arrogant position against Flash is shameful. I for one refuse to upgrade to the 3G iPhone without Flash. I feel cheated by Apple!!!

[Europa]

Flash will likely come (at some point), but I do NOT believe the iPhone is in any significant way marginalized because of it's current lack of Flash web media support. Many millions (and growing) in sales have largely validated this fact. Relax.

[huxley]

Perhaps PC World should add a caveat to the commentary/rant on Flash on the iPhone/iPod Touch to mention that they have a financial interest in having Flash advertisements running on all platforms visiting their site?
Journalistic credibility ... u can haz some!

[Vassar]

I disagree with you 100%. I can't stand FLASH. Good riddance! Thank God Apple does not support such bloated proprietary garbage.

[srijon]

Who wants Flash on an iPhone? I don't.

Other than video, 95% of Flash content is banner advertising. I don't want Flash ads in my Safari browser, eating up CPU and battery.

That rare real Flash app? No thanks. The whole purpose of Flash is to be platform-neutral. But what makes the iPhone so great is that all its apps are built specifically for it, taking full advantage of the accelerometers, multi-touch, input gestures, graphics hardware etc. Existing Flash apps will be hard to use on an iPhone, and Flash apps designed specifically for the iPhone will always be poor cousins to their native counterparts.

Which leaves video. For video, I would rather have a native app designed to play Flash FLV video files than a general purpose Flash player. The YouTube app is a good example.

[srijon]

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[MuntherKubba]

For those of you who dislike Flash so much, simply DO NOT INSTALL IT ON YOUR iPHONES, you have this choice. But do NOT deny the rest of us, who want Flash on their iPhones, the choice to have it.

I have no doubt that there will be a VERY inteligent response from one of the Apple/Steve Jobs loyalists to the effect "If you don't like the iPhone, do not buy it". None of us who bougt the original iPhone knew that it did not have Flash on it. Now we know!

[nonlolcats]

Actually, the YouTube iPhone app is not a good example of a Flash FLV player.
The iPhone version of YouTube only works because YouTube converted videos from Flash to H.264 in order for them to play on the iPhone. The iPhone doesn't play Flash FLV files natively; that's why you can't access all YouTube clips on the iPhone, only a limited selection that YouTube has converted to H.264.

[Blazergrad]

I'd rather have the ability to send/receive text images on my iPhone (without having to go sign in to a web site) than have Flash.

[jgates00]

Hey Tin Man get a brain! I am a flash developer and these programs if coded and used right can generate a full site 1/10th the size of a normal site. As well as being web 2.0 and dynamic. You also get a good feel and interaction with the website or game. It would be in the best interest of apple to follow W3C's web trends as they are the group that sets the web trends for the entire world. Included in the W3C are developers from all plattforms including MAC!!! Hope you learned something new.

[iJah420]

Flash will just create headaches and cause more support issues for Apple. Adobe will pass the buck and blame any and all Flash inefficiencies on Apple.
It just unnecessary. To much bloat which means its a resource hog...... and..
srijon is right....... most flash will be obtrusive to the user experience.
There are better solutions than Flash for iPhone.
Flash is old school mentality.
It amazes me how outside voices always claim to know whats best for Apple.
iJah420 says... MuntherKubba is right..... If you don't like it find something else that installs Flash but please people Apple knows what best for Apple in the long run and @ this point Flash is a wait and see...(Android).......Apple ain't stupid they are watching this thing close.....but so far the reviews are less than promising on a large scale acceptance.

[iJah420]

It would be in the best interest of apple to follow W3C's web trends as they are the group that sets the web trends for the entire world. Included in the W3C are developers from all plattforms including MAC!!! Hope you learned something new.
"best interest of apple to follow" FOLLOW?
Apple is a LEADER..... NOT a follower..

[Evildave]

What I think Apple/AT&T fear here is people will just make free Flash websites for the iPhone providing iPhone applets that they would otherwise have to buy through Apple/AT&T channels, hence giving Apple/AT&T their BIG cut and finally 'trickling down' the microscopic cut to the developers.

No need for a native API, and OMG! Another phone that provides Flash with a similar screen size and touch screen is suddenly 100% compatible with all of that content.

Flash is being embedded as a cellular application platform in and of its self, and Apple doesn't seem to believe that they can withstand the 'competition'.

BTW, on a related U.S. holiday note, the Pilgrims had perfect religious freedom in Holland. The problem was, so did everyone else. They went to America because they feared if they stayed, they'd just become Dutch.

Likewise, if Apple supports Flash, they fear their iPod will just be another Flash-compatible platform. I certainly wouldn't give Apple's absurd iPhone API a second look if I could just make a Flash applet for it. Of course, after downloading and perusing the examples, I never gave Apple's absurd little API a second look, anyway.

[smonroe01]

I don't consider myself to be an Apple/Steve Jobs loyalist, but it's true: as a consumer, you should vote with you wallet: if you don't like what Apple is doing with the iPhone, you should shop the business. Buy something else. The only way a company will respond to this kind of stuff is if their market share declines.


It's nonsense to sit there and complain about how you don't like the product and/or the company, yet continue to use it. You could probably get a reasonably decent price selling your iPhone, and you could buy ... something else that ALREADY has flash on it. Vote with your wallet. This position has nothing to do with being an Apple/Jobs apologist, it's free market economics.


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[sixpackistan]

bring it in to the iphone for what? all the animated ads? screw that. flash is useless, backdated technology that is no longer necessary for a decent web experience- if it ever was.

[steelydeacon]

I hate flash! It represents all that's wrong with the internet: annoying trashy flash banners, little jumping icons, popping windows, and women "flashing" this and that body part to try to get you to click on something that you have no interest in in the first place. Flash sucks, and Apple should keep it off the iPhone. They will try, because they have always had good taste in such things. Flash is Kah-Kah!

[jdizzle]

signed up so I could see that smonroe posted what I was going to say... Don't buy it if it doesn't float yer boat. these companies are driven by our dollars. If ya dont give em your buck for what they are offering, they either dry up or produce products that the consumer will buy. Seems like 10x a day people buy the latest crap offered to us and turn around and bitch because if doesn't have or do something we want. Based on crApples track record, they will give you the goods they deem necessary and you WILL like it or tough titty.

[iJah420]

Just a guess....and or observation.
Do you ponder Flash on the other phones may be good for Apple?
I sense that Apple is taking very careful notes on Flash in the other camps and as to what the + and - may be. In addition keep in mind this R&D endeavor by the other camps ain't costing Apple a cent!
There is more to this game than any of us are privy to and ponder what the future may hold for any of these players.

[jdizzle]

Don't know how it would be good for apple... or anyone but the person using the device, if they prefer flash.