[coastie65]

I have run an audio CD in the PS3 and it did fantastic. Of course it is hooked into the best sound system in the house. As one poster said, nobody pays much attention to audio anyway. Even the standard DVD's with their Audio tracks will do really well on that thing. They do as well on that as the Samsung Upconvert DVD player I have. coastie

[sciflyer25]

lets break this down. at present, the obvious has been stated. but sony is in it for the long run. next gen is no sprint. remember when the dvd standard was new? how about when the ps2 was released. look how that turned out?

my bet is history will repeat itself with blue ray and 1080p becoming the standard, and there aint no better all in one media device right now. sony will reduce prices, more people will buy hdtv's as the economy recovers sometime next year, and blue ray storage will be taken advantage of.

i just bought a ps3. why? i just recently purchased my first hdtv, i wanted what i consider(as do many others) to be the industry standard for years to come, and i sure as hell did not want to deal with the high risk of the red ring thing.

MAZ

[TechieXP]

Yes...

History has also shown us that being first isn't always best as when it is more of an industry standard others will have a much better competing product which could be better than yours.

Nintendo was poked about the controller for teh N64...but it spun off others making 10 button controllers. There is always a leader who takes teh chance and teh others follow up with something better.

True next year with HD being adatory getting an HDTV is a no brainer, but they are still expensive. The box tuners just don't cut it trying to show a high definition picture. As these items become more affordable PS3 will be ok. But by then something better will be out.

[coastie65]

TechieXP said:

True next year with HD being adatory getting an HDTV is a no brainer, but they are still expensive. The box tuners just don't cut it trying to show a high definition picture. As these items become more affordable PS3 will be ok. But by then something better will be out.

Actually, in February '09, it will be Digital Broadcast that will be Mandatory, not HD. HD is just an optional choice within the Digital Broadcast ramework. coastie

[Gixman]

To throw in my two cents i have to say that the ps3 is a a very cool and very powerful system but its games that make or break a console and the ps3 just didn't have enough AAA titles this year compared to the large library of games the 360 currently has.
Maybe in 2009 developers will let loose and unleash the true potential of what sony's machine is capable of as well as have more AAA titles.
I own a ps3 myself and only have MGS4,Ratchet and clank and both resistance games as well as Heavenly sword. I have far more games on the 360 then i do the ps3.
Anyway...the only way sony's console will sell is if they did a price drop. But the ps3 ain't out yet just didn't do as well this year in terms of games.
2009 will be a different story!!!

[dragon69]

aww but almost 1/3 of micro$oft sales resukt in the patented red ring of death so if you adjust xbox 360 sales you will see that sony is doing much better then you guys point out
sony and nitendo just work
but if you buy a xbox 360 you have a good chance of getting the RROD ( LIKE PLAYING THE LOTTERY HHMMM WILL THIS ONE WORK . . . but if you prayed to the big bully . . you might get a working xbox 360 well 2 times out of 3 anyways) same with the old xbox their was to high of a failure rate with their machines so many xbox customers will become future loyal playstation 3 customers
gl and tc

[rtfire1]

[~57950],

This is the first time I think anyone from the eastern part of the state admits there behind the western part of ma.

From going over the kids friends house and the wife and my friends houses most people like 10 out of 9 have hd tvs most are 720p or 720i.

The ones that have a blu-ray player almost every time have a ps3.

Out of all the people that we know with xbox 360 most have gone back once a few a lot more then once.

I got my ps2 many years ago andIi fix broken ones.

I have never had a problem with a ps2 working with anything.

My xbox not the 360 had to go back 2 times with issues I got feed up and sold it after the second time it came back.

yes the ps3 is a lot of buck and so was the 360 till they dumped the price but i still think the 360 is over priced for what you get

[Albatross]

I purchased a PS3 60GB a month after release (about two years, now). I still consider it one of the best electronic investments I have made.
Sony has done an excellent job at supporting and improving this product with frequent firmware updates.
1. Blu-ray player (Profile 2.0 with current firmware)
2. Media Server capability (connect it to your home network and transfer or stream media files from your PC through your TV and stereo system.
3. Upconverts standard DVDs
4. Wi-Fi adapter (802.11g)
5. Ethernet
6. Bluetooth
7. Media card reader
8. USB 2.0 connectivity
9. 60GB HDD (upgradable SATA notebook HDD, I changed to a 320GB HDD).
10. Web browser (surfing the web is not the same as using a PC, but it works).
11. Internet communication (text, or audio with Bluetooth headsets, video with web cams).
12. Folding@Home client
13. and of course you can play games, too!
Will Blu-Ray succumb to online downloading? Maybe... if people are willing to try to download full HD movies over present home Internet connections. I think Blu-ray at least has a lifespan that will see Quad HDTV approach retail release. Don't forget Blu-ray's potential as a computer storage medium. That has not been realized by many since the blank media cost has remained high (but it is falling).
Since then, I have purchased two others as gifts for my family.

[budissy78]

You get more with PS3. Xbox nickel and dimes you to death. First off you have to buy rechargeable batteries and the charger. Second no wireless connectivity unless you buy the wifi connector. Third its $50 a year to play online. Also playstation wont just stop making games for the ps3 when the next system comes out like xbox did and probably will do again making your 360 obsolete.

[winpro00]

"You get more with PS3. Xbox nickel and dimes you to death. First off you have to buy rechargeable batteries and the charger. Second no wireless connectivity unless you buy the wifi connector. Third its $50 a year to play online. Also playstation wont just stop making games for the ps3 when the next system comes out like xbox did and probably will do again making your 360 obsolete. "

Please... You are misinformed. Please read the previous posts before you post...

Xbox 360 gives you the OPTION to add those features on to keep the cost lower. Sony's main problem is cost, the lower they go, the more Sony continues to lose money. Less money to develop PS4. Sony doesn't even offer the option to play your old PS2 or PS games anymore! lol you are just gonna have to break out your old PS consoles just to play your own old games! All I have to do is put my old game in and play. One less thing to clutter my entertainment center, of course you wouldn't care when you're in your dorm room.

The PS3 controller, I mean PS2, or PS, oh yeah, no drastic changes there. The controller is too crunched together and not even organomic. I have small hands and I still don't even like the feel of it. Imagine someone with basketball player hands... The prototype boomerang controller would of been better.

Xbox Live is worth the cost. Basically your one stop shop for digital downloads. Playstation Network is still trying to catch up. Sony Network users will have to continue pirating digital media. Please don't cry that not everyone has broadband for digital downloads. If you can afford a PS3, you can afford broadband for the most part.

"when the next system comes out like xbox did and probably will do again making your 360 obsolete" - do you understand the business of technology? Newer and better technology will always be coming out. Sony will need to study the future market better and understand that they need to milk the profits instead of trying to be a far ahead of the game where they have a hard time developing games for it and people get pissed because it was an Xbox 360 port.

All in all, both systems are great. There are plus and minus to each system. People will have different point of views and will like one more than the other. I never had the RROD on my Elite (knock on wood), don't mind paying nickle and dimes for my accessories because its still less than the PS3, occassionally play my old xbox games, but I hardly do anyways. I still have the option which is great.

[TechieXP]

Thanks for that rebuttle. I think the problem with 360 isn't the machine, it's who makes it. On every form where MS has a product everyone always makes a point to say something bad. They never say how bad their favor product is. For example...As I remember Sony is the company they had issues with systes over-heating...name the original PS. Then the PS2 had issues with DVD playback. When they loaded the software for it onto a memory card and it was defective. I haven't heard any physical probelms with the PS3, however developers are having an issue with creating games for teh system. By teh time they get new use to the new platform Sony will have a new machine..and how you think they are going to have soething better than PS3. Blue-Ray is already the most sophisticated player out now, not that every1 wants it ad I haven't heard anything better coming out yet. As mentioned Sony's online play sucks and no backwards compatibility. That was only avail on PS2.So it looks like Sony left it consumers in the dump...not Microsoft. And it is typical game system don't come with accessories, which also keeps cost down. Sure it would have been nice if the broadband card would have came with it and other stuff. But teh cost would have been double what PS3 cost. And it isn't worth 399.99 and ppl saying Xbox isn't worth 199.99 or 299.99...and teh Eliete at 399.99? Even teh Elite at the same cost is a better buy.

As someone else said, MS is also losing money in the price drop...but it isn't going to hurt them as uch as Sony. Sony trying to start a new trend to early got burnt bec MS and Nintendo have great systes at a lower price and have more games. Just like no matter how fast your car is, it isn't going to matter if teh driver can't drive it. Same for consoles. Consoles sell because of software...the typical family will buy a single console and several games. Yes MS stopped making games for XBOX after 360...that was pretty bad, bec even Nintendo still did games for older system up until they released the Cube. But at least the Cube offers a way to play older Advance games.

MS trying to keep prices low..showing they had the consumer in mind took a shortcut and it burned them. Sony trying to be perfect made a system to expensive and offers nothing and they are letting a 2 generation company burn them. Sony isn't out, they are just laying low. This year the economy will be the breaker and S will have a shot at being nuber 1 while the 'N' will be number 2 and Sony last. Even if they cut the price the library of games doesn't justify ownership. I have a friend who has both system and he has 3x's as many games on XBOX. XBOX is better simply because it is easier to develop games for it. Since 360 uses DirectX like PC's and XBOX I, developers don't have to start over like they had to do 2 times with Sony. And for the commenter who said MS is paying developers to give 360 priority...try proving that. Fact is they don't need to buy when the competition makes it easy to sell.

If you think this is nuts? Just think about thr rumor of Apple planning to joing the VG arena.

[liozzi]

"On every form where MS has a product everyone always makes a point to
say something bad. They never say how bad their favor product is. For
example...As I remember Sony is the company they had issues with systes
over-heating..."
Everyone hates the leader. Fanboys try to be obscure and promote something
no one else wants. Sony was the company that installed root kits on people's
computers. Do you really want to hook Sony hardware to your network when they
have a history of intentionally installing rootkits? iTunes DRM is disturbing.
Had they gone with mp3 or flac, they would have been less proprietary; flac
would have given them better sound quality. But that's Apple's business model,
make everything as proprietary as possible so people can only chose your
company. Sony has a similar view, Minidisk, memory stick, etc. The only reason
to buy a PS3 is the blu-ray player. Western Digital, a company that doesn't distribute
viruses to its customers, has a $100 box that turns any USB mass storage device
into a media server. So the media server feature on the PS3, and the 360, is a
moot point.

"And for the commenter who said MS is paying developers to give 360
priority..."

Where do I sign up? Complaining that developers are making money is silly.
People need income. I challenge anyone who is upset when a developer makes a
paycheck to do without income indefinitely; not just go without a job, no
income from investments, being self employed, living off the Nanny State, zero
income. I find it hard to believe that people without money can afford a PS3.
Where did they get that money? Someone paid them for something. Developing
video games is not evil.

[Gamescampus]

Wonder why Sony doesn't just lower price on their TV's and just build in the PS3??? How are they also going to compete with free to play MMO publishing sites like Nexon, GamesCampus and Aeria?GamesCampus

[dragon69]

sony is not going broke

sony makes machines that work unlike micro$oft (xbox 360 and the original xbox had numerous problems like over heating red ring of death and scracthing the disk when you move the machine even a little bit

please everyone just use some common sense sure micro$oft can push more money towards advertising and getting more companies to develope more games but everyone is getting sick of having to return micro$ofts products ( 2 or 3 or more times ) just to get a half decent machine when they should be getting it the first time like when you buy a sony ps3 but some idiots will keep buying an xbox even if the first 3 or 4 or 10 don't work but most people will give up after 1 or 2 returns

why expect quality from micro$oft when there track record shows different i am glad we returned the new xbox 360 premium system just before xmas ( as it most likely saved us a lot of headaches) and would not consider a new one us less micro$oft can prove that they can put out a decent machine that would not over heat or wreck the game disks or can garantee that we would have a small chance of getting the red ring of death but at the present time they can not do that

good luck and take care

hope everyone had a merry xmas

[winpro00]

I never had a problem with my Xbox 360 Elite. First gen machines were plagued with it because of overheating. A couple of my friends ran into the RROD but they are still satisfied with the Xbox 360 because of all the content that is available. They didn't have to pay a dime to get a new Xbox 360 because of the extended warranty.

Funny how $ony fanboys just like to exploit the RROD of the past to make $ony sound better but the problem is that they still don't have a lot of good games vs the 360.

The PS3 is a great machine. I picked one up after Christmas. I'm only buying Sony exclusives for the PS3. My mentality is if a game comes out on both platforms, I'm buying the 360 version because it was designed on the 360 first and then ported to PS3 for the most part.

I'm a hardcore gamer and am fortunate to own the three mainstream consoles. For the casual gamers, the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360 continues to win hands down due to content, cost, and replay value.

[TechieXP]

First, I don't think anyone was saying Sony was going broke. And again Sony had plenty of issues with earlier systems. The original PS had problems overheating. In fact many user said they had to turn the PS upside down do they can get better airflow. The PS2 had issues with teh memory card and dvd playback. So stop acting like Sony is so perfect.

True MS shouldn't have tried to take a cheap route, but they were trying to keep cost low. And the latest batches of XBOX don't have this problem so if you purchased teh system in teh pass few months, these system won't have this problem. And not everyone with the system has even experienced it.

Again opinions are good, but at least come forward and shame your favorites too. For teh cost teh PS3 is nothing more then an over expensive system. Its like a PS2 with a Blur-Ray player stuck into it. It was to much to fast. and not many ppl are jumping on teh BR bandagon. BR players are way to expensive and unless you have a HDTV the movies look no better then DVD ones. No more then HD looks like crap using a converter box vs a real hdtv.

Sony makes great products we all know that, and I don't think MS is pushing the 360 that hard. Developers aren't stupid. They can see teh market and see XBOX games outsell PS3 3 to 1. The XBOX is easier to develop for and because of the lower cost it will sell faster. Developers need money too and if that is wher the money is, developers will follow. If you had been around to see the market since teh 80's we all know it not the machine that sells games, it teh games that sells machines and Sony PS3 games suck compare to 360. The PS and PS2 games were really good. Even Sony can't even program games fast enough for there own system. Compare the number. Compare Ps, PS2 and PS3 after 3 moonths after console release and see how many games were on the shelf. You'll see PS leads the packs. 360 offers way more for its cost, better online play, more games, streaming audio.video and so much more for 199 or 299...even for 399 you get more then you get with PS3. When I go to my local Best Buy even just after Christmas, the BR isles barely had ppl in them. The cost of one BR will buy you almost 3 DVD's. Do the math.

The main problem with PS# is it was technology we wasn't ready for just yet. Sega learned teh hard way that sometimes it is best to follow. That is why Nintendo was always better. You let someone else jump out and take teh fall. Let them be teh guinea pig. This time it was Sony.

I don't think dropping teh [rice will matter all that much. Until they have a better library of games it isn't going to matter. And since many XBOX owners have a Windows based PC, that an added bonus being able to use it as a wireless network device with Windows Media Center.

The only reason 360 got off to a slow start wasn't because it is a bad system, it is because it is ffrom MS. And like you said because of their reputation it stalled sales. That has changed. The other bad thing about PS3...it isn't backwards compatible with PS2 and PS games. 360 is compatible with XBOX. PS3 is nothing more then a glorified Blue Ray player that just happens to play a few games...and you think that is worth 399.99?

[rtfire1]

Hi TechieXP ms is still having issues with there new xbox 360 it is not as bad as it was but when i was over at BB this past weekend I learned its 2-3% that are still having issues which is much better then 15-33% depending on the numbers you look at. as far as how the ps3 is doing I think its going very good a lot of people waited to switch from there ps1/psx to the ps2 for 2 years after the ps2 was stopped being made they where still making ps1/x games i did not jump on the ps2 bandwagon till 2 years after the ps2 came out. I did get my xbox about 8 months after that came out and there was a price drop. i thought it was the best deal ever when i sold it a few years ago for 75 bucks. I still have the same ps2 and can get new games for it. but soon i will be buying a used ps3 that will play ps2 games on it. I am also okay with paying a little more for one of those ps3s.

[dragon69]

hey TechieXP about the title "Re: Is Sony's PS3 Really a Sinking Ship?" and your comment
"First, I don't think anyone was saying Sony was going broke."

i thought sinking ship was referring to sony losing money on ps3 ie sinking ship = going broke or losing money



haqppy new years eve everyone

gl and tc

[liozzi]

"i thought sinking ship was referring to sony losing money on ps3 ie sinking ship = going broke or losing money"

If:

Sony's PS3 is a sinking ship = Sony is going broke

Then:

The sinking of the Cunard Line's RMS Lusitania = the Cunard Line is broke

The arguement is invalid since we know a) the RMS Lusitania was sank and b) the Cunard Line is still in business

In other words; Sony has more than one product.

[rtfire1]

ps3's them self are losing money the same way cellphone carriers are losing money when they sell you a cell phone for .01 or 29 bucks. sony makes up the money in game sales and blu-ray dvd sales also in high def add on's. in other words you lose 50 bucks on the sale of the unit but make 100 bucks on the extras are you really losing money. its the same thing with the xbox360.