[SkateNY]

@HellfireJack: Every so often I pen a lousy post, especially when I haven't slept for more than 24 hours.

If trying to make any point it is that so many people who bash the most successful of Apple's products criticize not only the product itself, but also the "the cult of Apple," the fact that they seem to believe that Apple products basically suck but are primarily bought because they're cool, and, basically, that consumers are fundamentally stupid for paying for products that, if they knew better, they would neight want nor need.

I don't buy any of those arguments. My persppective rests more along these lines: If a company is making a fortune selling a product that millions of people are willing to buy versus cheaper competing products, than they company is most certainly doing something very right.

[asusean2002]

Nothing like citing semantics when you know you don't have a point to make...pointing out poster's spelling mistakes and word omissions is pointless.

The features Dell will include in their phones:

1.) One-touch dialing to their service call centers in Calcutta, estimated wait time: 36 minutes.

2.) A never-before-seen touch screen with a multi-touch interface. Apple's lawyers are salivating for the impending copyright case.

3.) A removable battery - this will help out on two fronts, one, with device recycling. When you inevitably go to throw the Dell phone away, you can easily remove the battery for quick disposal of the device. And two, the battery makes for a good object to throw in frustration when the phone locks up and you have to remove the battery to restart it.

4.) A self-destruct button to get rid of the device when your iPhone-toting friends are within eye-sight.

5.) A picture of an Axiom in every box, to remind you how smart the purchase you just made was.

6.) An iPhone skin - inserted into every box, this will let the closet iPhone lovers experience some of the bliss iPhone owners world-wide experience as they can make their Dell phones look exactly like the iPhone they refuse to buy for whatever reason.

7.) A reminder that immitation is the highest form of flattery, and that jealousy is a sickness. Get well soon.

And yes, I'm a fan of Apple products because I own a few, and I'm not a woman, hence making me a man/boy, thus the term fanboy. It's really not all that difficult a term to breakdown once you look at the root of the word. But I understand it can be difficult to read when a cloak of anger and resentment clouds your vision.

[SkateNY]

@[~150801] : Great post. I only wish I could say the obvious the way that you do.

Keep on doing what you're doing.

[SkateNY]

What you're getting is a cheap piece of crap from a company notorious for horrendous customer support that's quickly losing it's value, and has been doing so for quite some time. Dell was in the MP3 market once before, and they failed miserably. They reliably screw up even the most simple products they produce. Worse, when things go bad for Dell customers, they can't or won't help them.

The only people on the Internet who post nice things about Dell are either Dell investors or Dell employees.

I've no doubt that there are people out there who've never had a problem with the products they've purchased from Dell. God has truly blessed them. I'm equally certain that those people are in the minority.

You need a product that you have to rely on each and every day of your life? Stop looking in the bargain basement. Grow up. Pay the price for something that works.

[HellfireJack]

Every so often I too pen a bad post too.. I also read what it is that I'm posting before I do so and if it doesn't make any sense whatsoever I simply don't post it. I go to bed and sleep off whatever it is that made me so loopy as to forget half the words in the sentences I'm trying to make. I know asusean2002 likes to lump missing whole words in with the general politeness of not poking fun of peoples spelling and grammar but when you can't even make sense of that which is being said you have to draw the line somewhere. How do you even resoind to "Soooooo many people so inferior about Apple products"?

Now who is bashing Apple products here? Please show us. You're mindlessly looking at a thread of posts where one person is praising Apple over all other products and claiming its because people are bashing on iPhones. Simply not the case.

Asusean2002 should keep posting. His posts are all light fantasy and Lord knows we all need a little humour now and then. As you go back through the thread looking for nonexistant Apple bashing take note at the no-nonsense way he makes up his facts and hands them to us on a silver platter hoping no one points out that he's full of bunk. I mean obviously if someone holds a different view point than yourself they must be seething with anger and hatred towards you right? And when you overstep the bounds in replying to that person and you get rebuked because of it it has that persons fault and not your own and that person hates you even more.

You can hold the unfounded belief that Dell's cell phones could be bad but claiming that only a handful of people have ever had a Dell that works is simply rediculous. Mind you its more than a little hypocritcal to bash Dell while crying about people bashing Apple.

You guys are getting a bit repetative. Here let me sum up your next few posts so you don't have waste your time putting out whole sentences that actually make sense.

Apple good!! Dell BAD!!! Apple good!! YOU MAD!!! APPLE GOOD!!!!! APPLE GOOD APPLE GOOD!!!! BAHHHHH

[SkateNY]

@HellfireJack: Now who's not making sense? Read your post again, sans several spelling and grammatical (not to mention hermeneutical) errors.

Dell has historically failed, and not by a little bit, in the area of customer support. Dell has also traditionally failed in terms of quality control and follow-up for dissatisfied customers. Google it, check out Consumer Reports, or just ask any small businessperson to verify this. When a company sucks at something, it's not "bashing" when someone observes or reports the facts.

Apple has historically done very well in terms of customer support, despite the fact that some of their products didn't always work so well. There's a big difference between ensuring that your customers are satisfied, and ignoring your customers because your company is so big that few people will care that you don't give damn..

[HellfireJack]

Dell has failed in regards to customer support. Or rather is failing. They're probably at the back of the pack when it comes to support. But I've read half as many reports on Apple support not doing their job. Does this mean Apple is half way to failure? Of course Apple has a higher customer support rating. They've historically had far fewer customers. When you have 2 million customers to deal with it's always going to be harder to do than if you have 12.. Duh.. Good thing MS bailed them out in the late 90's so they could have better customer service. Unfortunately I think they're going to take a further turn for the worse than that soon. Especially with Jobs hiding the fact that he has cancer from the shareholders. Once Jobs is dead and gone you can be sure Apple will drastically change. And not for the better.



And what facts are you talking about? You've haven't posted any facts about Dell. You haven't even mentioned Dell in any of your posts unless you were saying something bad about them. All you've done is cry and whine about Apple bashing and pat asuseasn2002 on the back for making up his "facts" in such a straight forward "tell it like it is" manner.



You've attempted to post, or rather repost, entire news articles about the Dell lawsuit but the lawsuit has to do with their financing not their customer support. So what? You've come here to tell us Apple is better than Dell. Or rather support asusean2002 as he tells us. Why don't you provide the facts up front rather than telling us to go check them for ourselves after you claim that you've posted them?



P.S. try just posting the links and making one real post rather than multiple posts where you copy/paste news articles from other sites and add derisive comments at the top.

[asusean2002]

I realize I don't paste any links in my posts to support the facts I cite. I omit these links because my posts are written with an assumption that one knows how to operate a search engine such as google. I'm simply too lazy to look up and paste the articles I've read-but, feel free to look them up because they are out there. I realize I may be more well-read and current than some, but please do not mistake this as "making up facts" which HellfireJack implies. However, if you are like HellfireJack and are set in your beliefs, then no amount of articles I cite or paste links to will matter. And while most of those posting provide further topics for discussion or advance the conversation, HellfireJ fixates on semantics and provides no physical facts or insightful commentary. Where is your post that defends Dell and why they'll make a "great smartphone"? All you really said was "Dell's not that bad" and "not everyone received a bad Dell", a response to a clearly sarcastic or over-exaggerated statement. Since in your eyes Apple may not be the biggest and baddest, why do I want to buy a smartphone from a company who failed at making their PDA last, failed at making their mp3 player last, and will be the 4th player into the touch screen mobile device war? Just curious why you are excited to get a Dell...

New Dell slogan for smartphone:

"Dude, you're getting a Dud."

[HellfireJack]

Asusean2002, you haven't posted one fact about anything period. You've posted your opinion and try to claim this as fact. Reading JoeBloes blog on why he hates Dell doesn't make what he's saying fact. Repeating what he said doesn't turn your opinion into a fact. If you want to prove to us how bad Dell's cellphones will be then you better come with more authority than "I read some stuff on the net.". Even your view that Dell will be sued for having a multi-touch screen is just a guess. You have no idea what Apple will do about anything so what you're posting is still just your opinion.


You've even tried to tell us very matter-of-factly that Google, Dell and Microsoft are all doing so bad in this economy that they won't have much money to spend on R&D in the future. Is this your fact? Hardly.. this is you grasping at straws in a poor attempt to support your argument. You've tried to tell us you know where and when they'll be reporting their budgets.. ALL BS. You are guessing and claiming the guess to be fact.



No amount of knowing how to operate a search engine will tell me whether your opinion has any basis. So YES if you're trying to tell us you know XYZ is true you reallty should have more to back it up with besides SkateNY yipping and yammering about what a great guy you are for posting made up facts.



You like Apple. Good for you. I prefer another manufacturer besides Dell. You don't see me, or anyone else for that matter, hailing our favorite manufacturer as bigger and better than Dell. The reason being that that kind of behavior, in most people's eye's, is trollish unless done with respect. I'm not here to defend Dell. I'm here to post my opinion that Dell isn't the horrible company you claim it to be and that I look forward to seeing what it produces in smartphones.

[asusean2002]

Look, it is common industry knowledge that companies in the tech sector are not planning to make too much noise with product unvailings this year. They simply can't afford to take as big a risk as they may have in the past, and anything they put out had better be a near-gauranteed home run. This includes even Apple. Sales figures are down industry-wide, this is a fact. With net profits down, R&D budgets are almost certainly going to be curtailed. That's just basic business 101. Just because you didn't read it on a PC World or New York Times article doesn't make it any less true. It's called being able to infer based on market trends and company's histories.

And again, I gave you a clear opportunity to demonstrate why you are so eagerly anticipating a smartphone from Dell, yet all you could do was claim how I am heralding Apple as being better than everyone. I never once, under any of my posts, exclaimed Apple was better than Company X. Yes, I poked a little fun at Dell because they are an easy target, and why not, a little good humor goes a long way. And I'll show respect for a company such as Dell if/when they show respect to their loyal customers. Maybe Dell isn't a horrible company, I never said they were, only that they should not be throwing their smarthphone hat into an already crowded ring of heavyweights.

I ask again, please enlighten us as to why you are excited or looking forward to Dell's smartphone.

[BimmerJam]

Try 5th. NOKIA actually has several phones that are easily ahead of Apple, Palm and RIM. Once again marketing is king, not the product.

[HellfireJack]

See now here you go yet again. Posting opinion and trying to make it sound like fact. Please provide us with the statements from these mysterious companies in the tech sector stating they will not be unveiling any new products. Please provide enough of these statements as to reach a conclusion that this is effecting the majority of all tech sector companies. You spout some claim and expect us to google it to make sure you are correct.

You lack any real basis of fact for your statement. This is not inference my friend. When the conclusion you've arrived to lacks a basis in fact it is called speculation. You seek to have us agree with you based on a speculation that the general populace might arrive at. You're speculating that the tech companies will be hard pressed in these economic times to risk producing new products. Much like you speculated that I must certainly harbour some ill will towards you and that I must certainly hate you and I was looking to attack you simply because I disagreed with you. No actual basis of fact yet you still cried about it hoping someone would also reach that conclusion after you had your abusive post removed.. You seem to me to be quite a creature of habit.

I find it amazing that you're actually spouting this tech sector nonsense under an article reporting that three major tech companies are coming together to release new tech products. What irony.

And what do you mean "again"? you'd asked me all of once to provide you with a reason as to why I look forward to seeing what Dell produces before this post. I look forward to seeing what they come out with simply because I do. Much like you enjoy buying Apple products because you enjoy buying Apple products. I don't need a reason to anticipate something. Just like you don't need a reason to like Apple products. Would you care to repeat your view on Dell cellphones? What was it again? Oh yeah.. APPLE GOOD!!! DELL BAD!!! APPLE GOOD!! YOU MAD!!! APPLE GOOD!!! APPLE GOOD!!! APPLE GOOD!!! BAH!!!!

Many companies have reached some level of success releasing new products into an already dominated market. The Wii for instance.. Nintendo found an almost instant niche market with the Wii when the Xbox, Xbox 360, PS2 and PS3 owned the lionshare of the gaming industry. I'll remind you that this is exactly how Xbox entered the already over populated gaming market when it came out. Look where it is now. With all your talk of iPhone killers people might think you were more aftaid of another company sidelining Apple than anything else...

[asusean2002]

I didn't say they weren't going to unvail any new products. I said their R&D budgets would be curtailed (it means to shorten but you probably knew that already, right Webster?) and if you or anyone else thinks that companies will continue to operate with the same R&D budgets in the current economic climate, you are sadly mistaken. Here's one article, found after less than one minute of googling:
|mgiresearch.typepad.com/techindustryanalysis/2009/01/tech-layoffs-begin.html|
Of course, this probably isn't "your webpage you read" or something silly like that.

And fair warning, your next post will fall on deaf ears as your responses have started to become LEGEN - wait for it - DARY in their ridiculousness. Desparation is a stinky, stinky cologne and as you flail and grasp at what can only be mistaken as a legitimate point, I'm becoming weary of your 2nd grade tactics.

But, I look forward to hearing you clamor for attention on another article someday very soon. Perhaps it'll be on the article titled "Dell Cancels Smartphone Plan in Wake of Realization That 'Dude, No One Wants a Dell Anything.'"

[HellfireJack]

HAHAHAHA Nice link.. Did you bother reading it? HAHAHAHA Maybe next time you should spend more than a minute searching google and find something that actually supports your argument... it says that tech companies will be cutting marketing costs and reducing staff and that the SaaS vendors don't have the margin to trim R&D more than a few percent. So you're actually posting a report about how SaaS vendors can't afford to cut R&D in order to prove all the tech companies are cutting R&D? BRILLIANT!!!!! I couldn't have said it better myself my well read friend. Of course thats entirely about software vendors, not hardware vendors, but I'm sure you realize that. So yeah you're right I don't read that particular site.. But apparently neither do you HAHAHAHA
You prove my points oh too well... And I thought it was Jealousy that made the stinky cologne as you like to put it.. Or was it hatred? Well whatever... Now apparently its desparation. Make up your mind or at the very least get a couple new sayings to add to that sad, old, tired repartee. Thanks for giving up your repetitive arguments. I can't tell you how tired I was getting listening to you back pedal and make crap up when you had no argument over and over. I too will look forward to pointing out your flawed logic, poorly laid out arguments and made up facts in the near future.

Au revoir my sheepish friend. And I'll send you off with your favorite battle cry.

APPLE GOOD!! DELL BAD!! APPLE GOOD!! YOU MAD!!! APPLE GOOD!!! APPLE GOOD!!! APPLE GOOD!!! BAH!!!!!

[SkateNY]

@HellFireJack: Sorry, but you're simply too obnoxious to take seriously in a mature debate. Apple has 2 million customers? Prove. Leave a link if you like. Unlike you, I don't feel insulted when another person documents his claims.

Fact is that research, including research on customer support, is based on percentages and not on hearsay, rumor or absolute numbers. I don't expect you to understand this concept. Not because you may or may not be stupid; but because you've demonstrated a trenchant proclivity to fabricate and pole vault over facts.

I may or may not play with you in the future, but if I do, it will only to provoke you to continue to write self-hating posts, something you seem to both enjoy and at which you excel.

[SkateNY]

"No amount of knowing how to operate a search engine will tell me whether your opinion has any basis."

And whose fault is that?

If you weren't so laughable in your lack of your ability to use your God-given reason, you'd be disgusting.

[SkateNY]

"See now here you go yet again. Posting opinion and trying to make it sound like fact. Please provide us with the statements from these mysterious companies in the tech sector stating they will not be unveiling any new products. Please provide enough of these statements as to reach a conclusion that this is effecting the majority of all tech sector companies. You spout some claim and expect us to google it to make sure you are correct."

Don't post links; post links.

Don't post links; post links.

Don't post links; post links.

Don't post links; post links.

Don't ask me to provide evidence. Everyone else needs to provide evidence.

Don't ask me for facts, they only get in the way of my opinions.

. . .

It truly is an exquisitley unique experience to engage someone who can tolerate almost anything but the truth.

[SkateNY]

Having experienced a great deal of your body of work, I have little choice but to conclude that you're an alcoholic, have a drug problem, or that you are a longtime psychiatric patient. You're so detached from the reality that the rest of the world struggles with, that you don't even struggle with it. Instead, you make up the world as you go along.

[HellfireJack]

SkateNY.. please show me where I said Apple had 2 million customers.. If you were actually reading my posts instead of listening to asusean2002 tell you what to say you might actually have an argument. I made a generalization about the difference between catering to 2 million customers as opposed to 12. No where did I credit any company as to having said number of customers. HAHAHA I think I know where you learned the word hermeneutical.. its from having 20 million people point out your inability to actually read whats written rather than what you think is written..


Nowhere do I say to not post links.. I always ask people to back up their claims as I have in the above sentence. If I were claiming to put forth facts I would be able to back each and every claim up. You on the other hand tell people to look them up knowing there is no proof.



The only thing here that's laughable is your inability to make one post that says what you want it to say. that and the fact that you're still here making a fool of yourself.



P.S. You're dropping words again.. Let me guess you've gone another 24 hours without sleep and it's not your lack of intelligence mashing up against your exhuberance to try to make your points as fast as sheepishly possible.

[SkateNY]

"SkateNY.. please show me where I said Apple had 2 million customers.."

You posted it. If you don't know how to find your own post, I can't help. Actually, I'm fairly certaint that neither I nor anyone else can help you. More than this, I'm equally certain that you don't want help. What you want is to be right at any cost.

"If you were actually reading my posts instead of listening to asusean2002 tell you what to say you might actually have an argument. I made a generalization about the difference between catering to 2 million customers as opposed to 12."

My bad. I shouldn't be reading things that are bad for my sould. Yes, you made a generalization. You make generalizations because you lack the integrity to speak in specifics. You can't even understand how it has become in your life that so many people respond to you so negatively. It must be everyone else's fault that you're such an inveterate prik.

"No where did I credit any company as to having said number of customers. HAHAHA I think I know where you learned the word hermeneutical.. its from having 20 million people point out your inability to actually read whats written rather than what you think is written.."

There are several drugs for many people who suffer from psychosis that have been very successful for a very long time. Check it out.

"Nowhere do I say to not post links.."

Actually, and to my great misfortune of having come to know you, you say nothing anywhere. And Nowhere.

"I always ask people to back up their claims as I have in the above sentence. If I were claiming to put forth facts I would be able to back each and every claim up. You on the other hand tell people to look them up knowing there is no proof."

You have this habit of sometimes appearing to say something important, blaming other for their shortcomings with regard to documenting their facts, yet you decline to provide any evidence that your "facts" are anything other than mere fabrications in the service of strengthening your own fractured opinions.

I'm signing off with you. You are clearly a deeply disturbed and disturbing individual. And I don't want to be around when you finally realize this.