[MarioJP]

speaking of ads and propaganda. Glad to see those "hi i am a mac and pc" commercials being less shown on tv. With that said why pay employees to market if you have the tv networks at your disposal no ??.

[rkinne01]

Knowing that you can be burned by coffee at 80 degrees, how could anyone justify brewing coffee at 180 degrees? McDonalds was clearly in the wrong, knowing that they settled multiple cases out of court gives a very clear picture of that. Mcdonalds should have taken into account the consequences of what would happen if a cup fell, broke apart, or was otherwise compromised. You're right when you say people have accidents everyday, but spilled coffee shouldn't lead to hospital stays and skin grafts. Mcdonalds is a multi-billion dollar company, a few thousand dollars is nothing to them, in order for them to get the point they need to get hit hard in the pocket book.

Back on topic, I do think this is a frivilous case. My best guess is that this woman was tech savvy and knew what she was getting so she shouldn't get to whine after the fact.

[TechieXP]

To give you the actually story here it is:
The women in question yes did spill hot coffee on herself.
But teh lawyer found a loophole. Mc Donalds had been warned for years that there coffee was to hot. The women suffered third degree burns in her crounch. I agree on a dumb a$$ would ever put anything burning hot between their legs in the first place. But because of teh issue surround McDonalds being warned before that is how she got over.

Also I do agree a Windows user should have an option to have a machine without an OS. However if a person lets say this women couldn't make a good purchase, why should we trust her to be able to install the OS? Can't you see? Women sues MSFT because she found it to hard to install Windows. Even as simple as it is. OEM's make it so easy for you by doing it for you. If you call and speak to a represantative you can request a system without preinstallation with teh OS of your choice as a CD. You will not get this option using the website to make teh purchase. All she had to do was call.

This is simply a case where a person made a a bad chice and instead of taking resonsibility for it she decide to sue. I am sure her lawyer is costing more then what she paid for teh fee. Adding to the fact of how stupid she is. How can you do a class action suite on $60?

Ignorance is bliss...YO EVE, SNAKES CAN'T TALK - But they can sure screw up the lives of others.

[WinTard]

rkinne01 said:

Knowing that you can be burned by coffee at 80 degrees, how could anyone justify brewing coffee at 180 degrees? McDonalds was clearly in the wrong, knowing that they settled multiple cases out of court gives a very clear picture of that. Mcdonalds should have taken into account the consequences of what would happen if a cup fell, broke apart, or was otherwise compromised. You're right when you say people have accidents everyday, but spilled coffee shouldn't lead to hospital stays and skin grafts. Mcdonalds is a multi-billion dollar company, a few thousand dollars is nothing to them, in order for them to get the point they need to get hit hard in the pocket book.

Back on topic, I do think this is a frivilous case. My best guess is that this woman was tech savvy and knew what she was getting so she shouldn't get to whine after the fact.

Um, 180 degrees Fahrenheit = 82 degrees Celcius

I think you missed my point about Fahrenheit and Celcius. Sorry for my long-winded and confusing explanation.

But I did ask the question: Was it boiling coffee? Which would have probably been near boiling water temperature, either 212 F or 100 C ?

When I assumed 80 degrees Celcius, I also presume most coffees are at that temperature, since I'm a certifiable wintarded nerd, I measured with a thermometer while brewing tea, like a chemical experiment I used to do when I was seven, and noticed, that freshly boiling water is about 98 Celcius, then pouring into a container, cools the water down to 94 Celcius, adding the tea leaves or bag, consumes another two degrees, and simple entropy finally dictates, the freshly brewed cup of tea is around 80 degrees Celcius after it is poured into your cup, and arrives at your lips, with no major delays in between. Be careful, it is HOT!

And scientifically, unless it is expresso, you don't steam the coffee under pressure, thus it is impossible to have 180 degrees Celcius coffee, as long as it is in the liquid form at normal barometric pressures.

Please see www.mathsisfun.com/temperature-conversion.html

Quote

Conversion of Temperature
Quick Fahrenheit (°F) / Celsius (°C) Conversion:
Try the Temperature Conversion Tool or the Interactive Thermometer or this method:

°F to °C Deduct 32, then multiply by 5, then divide by 9
°C to °F Multiply by 9, then divide by 5, then add 32

Or read on to understand why ...

Explanation
There are two main temperature scales:

°F, the Fahrenheit Scale (used in the US), and
°C, the Celsius Scale (part of the Metric System, used in most other countries)
They both measure the same thing (temperature!), just using different numbers.

If you freeze water, it measures 0° in Celsius, but 32° in Fahrenheit
If you boil water, it measures 100° in Celsius, but 212° in Fahrenheit
The difference between freezing and boiling is 100° in Celsius, but 180° in Fahrenheit.

Now back to topic.

[TechieXP]

The answer is simply...and OS can only be built based on the hardware that is out. You can't develop hardware for something that doesn't exist. The reason for example Windows has some limiatations if teh hardware doesn't exist so they have to patch the limiatation later. Example...Windows 9x can't use dual cpu's because consumers never had dual cpus. Windows XP was designed for 2 cpus...because this was teh technology out then. However Windows NT based OS can reconize up to 32...but an OS built to use 2 will not use the rest of them efficiently. Windows XP had a 3GB memory max because most consumer pcs didn't use more then 1 or 2GB when it was released. Vista was designed to use up to 3.5GB of ram, because most systems out produced by OEM use a max of 3.5GB...(mostly true of laptops). It wasn't until SP3 that MSFt patched in made XP use up to 4GB of ram and manage 4 CPU...Vista manages all that natively. Now that i7 is out MSFT will more then likely in SP2 for Vista, code in 8 processor abilities...

Microsoft I am sure gets a heads up from Intel when new CPU's with new abilities are coming. However MSFT still has to wait for a hands on be4 they can develope software to run on it. So it is MSFT always trying to keep up. And as they keep up they introduce new abilities to the OS based on the hardware. Could MSFT introduce CD buring into Windows before CD Burners existed? The egg can't come before the chicken.

[TechieXP]

Well duh! if you buy a system from Best Buy its a no brainer the system come preinstalled with an OS..and yes you ahve to take what is on the shelf. However you can if avail go an purchase XP and take it to teh repair center and they will install XP for you...at a cost.

If you buy direct from an OEM and you call and order a system. You can request a system with no OS or teh OS of your choice as long as they have and option available.

[TechieXP]

Well you need IE for updates because its designed to update MSFT's software. Windows/Microsoft update is desiged to use the benefits built into IE to make sure it downloads properly and warn you of failures. I am sure they could easily make it happen for other browsers...but they dont have too and I am glad they dont.

[TechieXP]

Games that contain legacy code won't work in Vista, which is why older cards for sound and video dont work. Legacy allows for a programs to interact directly with the hardware. This based on what MSFT added to teh instability of Windows 9x. NT based Windows don't allow software to work directly with hardware with the OS being in the middle.

However there are other potential issues. I have games that work fine in x32 Vista, but won't run in x64 Vista.

[number6]

rkinne01 said:

>Mcdonalds is a multi-billion dollar company, a few thousand dollars is nothing to them, in order for them to get the point they need to get hit hard in the >pocket book.

I'm sure that was key to the law suit. It probably went a long way with the jury.

[TechieXP]

Both Vista and XP have a format rotine for formating blank CDRW's...however teh routines in each OS are not teh same. If you formated the CD in XP then only XP can read them. One suggestion I recommend, is if you want to use a disk with any OS, you should use Nero or Easy CD Creator to burn your disks...also there is no need to preformat a CD unless it is a rewritable.

As far as the drivers for the camcorder, that isn't a Vista issue that is a MFR issue where they need to create updated drivers for teh new OS. However on workaround you can try. If the driver package can be extracted using WinRAR or WinZIP do so. Then attach your camcorder. Then browse to main folder you extract and let Vista check the contents it fines. In many cases Vista can use XP's drivers if they are certified WDM.

[TechieXP]

But teh problem isn't a Vista problem. It is a software problem. Anytime a new OS comes out it is up to the MFR to create updates for a software desined for XP. It isnt the job of teh OS to install all of your hardware. Again you're blaming teh wrong source. When was the last time you check teh website of the camcorder to see if they have updated software by now. Also how old is the camcorder?

[TechieXP]

The problem is ppl don't know how to identify a problem. They don't know how to associate what is an OS problem, or a MFR problem. They assume that is they have a pice of hardware and they install it in any OS they expect it to work. READ YOUR SOFTWARE. Software and hardware designed for XP will only work in XP unless teh MFR creates drivers for said hardware to work in another platform.

Just like if you own a car. If something happens that your tired all go flat, that isn't defect isn't teh problem of the company that put your car together, it is teh problem of teh company that made the defective tire.

[TechieXP]

I read a lot of your post. I don't understand how you figure MSFT have ppl by a thread. Here is an example...lets say you bought a Camry way back when it first came out. It at this point is obviously outdated. You also know every model year they will release a new model with only cosmetic changes. But once every 4 or 5 years, they release a totally new version of the same model. Now at what point do they ever force you to buy it? If you love teh car, you will either trade up for teh brand new model every 5 years...or run yours into teh ground. Same for an OS. New car means new technologies...however bascially speaking aren't all camry's just alike? The basic car is teh same, it only has newer features with each update. However if you have no need for them, and what you have work...why upgrade? Same with Windows. However at some point as with the car you will have to break down and upgarde, because if you don't aftermarket parts can be so expensive it isnt worth keeping teh old thing. And you can't expect your cars MFR to keep old parts, why should MSFT. As far as some aftermarket parts being in production...yes there are so providing teh company can make enough monet off selling them to keep making them. And that is provided by demand. MSFT already extended XP another 2 years with the OEM's bec they realized many weren't jumping to Vista. They even extended support to 2014. That means they will continue to update it as much as possible. I see SP4 in its future. But teh code is tired and old and it can't support new technologies that keep changing.

One thing that is a fact...if you don't waiting around to long, upgrading to keep up wpn't cost you as much. I held on to a desktop for 10 years befor I need to upgrade. It lasted from Windows 98 all the way to Vista. Laptops however aren't so forgiving. That is why they recommend buying the most expensive one you can. That way teh hardware won't be outdate so fast. If you buy cheap crap, how long do you expect it to last?

If you have your own programs that you know that work in the OS you like..then you can basically use it forever. Just realize the cost eventually will not be worth it. Example...what do you think is more efficient now...a wood stove or a gas one. Unless you grow your own trees and don't mind cutiing them down then wod would be. But i spend 30 per month to heat my apartemt, and cook and hve hot water. I bet it cost 3 times as much if I was using wood.

Rule of thumb is if you don't need it don't buy it.
As far as this women...if she didn't like Vista she could have 1. bought a pc with Vista...2. or returned the PC after finding out it didnt have what she wanted. However how stupid can you be? Don't you think she knew what was on it before she left? And she paid for a Vista License...if she wanted a XP License she can expect to get a credit for teh first one. Once she walked out the door and took it home an activated it...its hers...PERIOD.

I smell a rat. if she can a lawyer, that means she has enough money to have made teh proper purchase. Her legal fees are going to exceed that 60 doolars. Did we really need a lawyer for this...NO!....if it quacks, and wlaks like a duck that means it is one. This is simply a copy cat crime where this women thinks she is going to get what the other one got.

I hope when she gets another pc, she wets her hands before plugging in and forgets to dry them.

[TechieXP]

God Bless You. If an employee has spilled the coffee on her that would be another story. Anyway only a moron would place a hot cup of coffee between their legs.

Anyway teh dummy in question has a site dedicated to het stupidity. Here is an attorney who has been tracking bogus lawsuits since that one.

www.stellaawards.com/ he also makes up a few for laughs. Here is a funny one...A woman in a departmenmt stores sues teh store and gets award after getting hurt by a kid running around in the store...the kid was hers. A women who bought a winebago turned teh crusied control on and went to teh bathroom...she was award a huge sum of money bec teh lawyer found a loophole. The instruction in the truck didn't say she couldn't do that. Many fo teh other suites are real. But this is to just show ppl will sue for anything.