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[Alber1690]

Nope, it wouldn't.

[MarioJP]

Sony say's we make our system long last by making it harder to develop and shrugs if the games takes to long to make. This is why valve pokes fun of Sony. They even made fun of left 4 dead for the PS3 version of the game.





Most developers and publishers order is like this for multiplat games



1.360

2.pc (unless eclusive to the 360 only but for the most part any game thats on the 360 is on the PC)






























3.Sony LOL. Unless its Sony themselves.





What a priority Sony is getting these days LOL. I have friends that has all 3 consoles and plays their 360 mostly.

[Yetti]

Sony has more than their share of work cut out for them. They are not really just behind in the rest of NA/EMEA/AU either. All combined likely closer to 2 million, which pretty much negates the lead in Japan. With that said the 360 lead is now larger than it has even been and larger than it was the day the PS3 dropped. Publishers have to be losing so much on the machine outside of big publishers like EA which gets nice return out of Europe for there titles and to a lesser extent Activision which manages some sales as well. For smaller publishers it has to be a nightmare though. Revenue versus profit is the real key. The developments costs versus return has to be a subject of real debate.

I also do not see a price cut happening until at least the fall after what David Reeves said in his last interview with Eurogamer. Pretty much saying if we can get through the next 7-8 months as an industry he sees a lot of upside from there. Not even sure if they can afford one in April like everyone has said is coming. At best $50, but who knows how much growth that can spur, and if they leave it open in the fall with no price cut you can all but guarantee MS will pull another cut out somehow.

[jameskatt]

Sony has to lower the price of the Playstation 3.
This way, it can attract more customers. After all, it has BluRay built in. Microsoft doesn't have this advantage.

[ACinNY]

I agree that the price really does need to come down, but that's just part of it, IMO.


But I'm curious, how does having a BluRay player built in give it any real advantage? If you look you'll see that BluRay players, and DVDs, aren't selling as well as you'd think. And IMO why should they? I've a 42" HDTV and HD satellite service. If I want to watch a movie in HD I just VOD or Pay Per View, although usually it's VOD. I hardly buy ANY dvds these days, in fact. I've an excellent upconverting DVD player I purchased well over a year ago, an Oppo, and that gave my rather large exsisting DVD library a bit of a new lease on life. Even if I was starting from scratch and building my home entertainment system today I'd not buy a BluRay player. I honestly feel that the day of the DVD, any DVD, is close to gone for most people who have access to broadband and/or satellite service.



The only way I could see having the BluRay drive built into the PS3 as an advantage would be for the person who feels opposite of myself and would be purchasing a BluRay player anyway. But of course, all of this is just personal opinion and for as many that agree there will be as many that disagree, as usual :)

[MarioJP]

on demand is the ticket these days and HD streaming. also the problem with Sony's blu ray drive is its at 2x. There are bd drives that can read 4x and maybe higher. I Know this won't have any affect on movies but for games you need every speed that it can push.
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106270 and they gotten really cheap too



Now if you must have blu ray burner there you go



http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827136155

[tommeealan47]

some of you xbox 360 people are nuts, my son is getting his third 360 elite in 18 months because it keeps over heating and you folks think that is OK ! I have

2 PS3's and they have never stopped working. My son does'nt even play with the xbox all that much because i have all of the different consoles { Wii, PS3, XBOX,

PSP, DS, GAME BOY ADVANCE }. NOW IT COST ME $ 106.00 DOLLARS TO SEND IT INTO MICROSOFT TO GET IT REPAIRED BECAUSE ALL THEY GIVE YOU

IS A 90 DAY WARRANTY ONCE THEY FIX IT THE FIRST TIME .

[MarioJP]

speaking of that there is a interesting story behind that. Some guy was fired from MS about the 360 red ring of death



http://venturebeat.c...to-venturebeat/

[HarveyDanger]

90 day warranty? I got a year long warranty and a free month card for Live when my launch 360 broke (three years after launch, mind you. Really ruined my post-Christmas break, though). Maybe they give different warranties for different repairs, although that wouldn't make much sense. Could be that they just did it because you treat them like crap over the phone and yell like you do here?
Anyway, my cousin's 360 broke three times between the time he bought it and now, and he doesn't mind (it's an inconvenience, people, and that's all it is). In fact, they gave him elevated status and overnighted everything to and from him. :P Then, on top of fixing his 360, which since the last time a year and a half ago has been fine, they refunded his money which he used to buy an Elite, which hasn't had any problems. Now he and his dad play on Xbox Live together because they have two consoles.

If they drop the price of the PS3 I'll jump, but as it is the games, two of which I really want (MGS4 and Valkyria Chronicles), don't justify the price. I don't have an HDTV, so I don't need BluRay (although I wouldn't want it in the first place... all I want is a GAME console). I don't want a lot of things I don't need pre-packaged with the console and sending the price sky-rocketing.

I bought the PS2 years after launch, mainly for its DVD capabilities, and I get the feeling that if I get a PS3 it will be for the same reason. I also get the feeling that my apathy is shared by many people, and along with the poor economy, these things will keep the PS3 from taking a hold like its predecessor.

[tommeealan47]

sorry harvey did not yell or scream just stating the fact. you just said what i tell everyone who is trying to decide which system to buy games only xbox360 games and everything else PS3. i understand you seem kind of low tech without hdtv but thats ok. for the people who do have the resources and want to invest in all the fun toys don't hate on them. as for the extra stuff you got from microsoft i know plenty of people who have the same nightmare stories as i do. have you ever noticed that microsoft HAS NEVER MADE OR SOLD A COMPUTER!!!!!!!!!! they are in the software business NOT HARDWARE, but i guess you don't own a computer either. until you get a good hdtv you won't begin to understand what the nice stuff is al about.

[PinchePerro]

I'm sorry tommeealan, but I'm going to have to side with Harvey on this one.

If you're having issues w/your 360 overheating, then have you ever thought about placing it in a cooler environment? Or, at least not stuff it somewhere that has poor ventilation? You know, that could be the reason why your 360s have been dying off on you.

And why put down Harvey and say, specifically, "you seem kind of low tech without hdtv." That's just low.

Anyways, I am all for the 360. IMO, 360 > ps3 any day of the week. And if it goes out on you, it's just a minor inconvenience. It's not like you use a console to go online to pay your bills. That's what a computer, desktop or notebook/laptop, is for. I can go on for days without playing video games. It's just there for entertainment purposes only. Anybody can find entertainment elsewhere if they don't have a console.

If mine were to go out on me, I'd simply buy another one to not have any down-time, send off my original one to have it repaired and sell it off on eBay. Or, I could buy a new one and trade out my original one to a GameStop or something similar if they allow it. It's just a minor inconvenience like Harvey said.

[hysonmb]

Without getting into the Xbox vs PS3 discussion immediately, I have to say that these comments have been made a few times by both sides and it's not even news anymore. I had to check the date of this article after I started reading because it's stuff that we've all seen.

Sony is taking a beating because they feel that consumers are going to buy whatever they put out there for whatever price and love it. They said at E3 before the PS3 launched that they are the market leader and will set the standard for this generation. That's proving to be untrue and they appear to be trying to counter moves made by Microsoft now. Microsoft was in a strong position with the 360, but, not including the hard drive on every unit and the system melting down from time to time prevented them from making the PS3 todays Dreamcast.

In the end, saying the 360 lacks longevity is nuts. The next consoles should be coming up in the next 2 years or so. Right now, there are still big titles coming out on 360 so by the time it does fizzle out it will have made it and likely will beat out the PS3 by a good margin due to the less expensive hardware. Sony has backpedaled on the PS3 a few times already. Most notably, they blasted Microsoft for not making the 360 fully backward compatible out of the box. The first few batches of the PS3 had PS2 chips to make them b/c. Try to find a PS3 that can do that now.

Anyway, it doesn't matter at this point. They both have a huge install base and they're both getting / making great games. Get what you like and enjoy it.

[cap232]

I know sony say they want 10 years out of the ps3. but in the real world of electronics after a couple years things will be out dated. so there will be a new console from microsoft in a few years and with some new updates or software/hardware improvments. so dont you think by saying 10 years sony that your system will be well out dated.old technoligy.
heck who knows nintendo could be well ahead of the ps3 before then . i dont think in 5 years people will want a console that is out dated over newer tech consoles. just a thought

[coastie65]

They are probably right. The Xbox by all accounts is a flawed piece of junk. If they sold the thing for $59.95, then you might get your money's worth, as they could legitimately advertise it a "DISPOSIBLE" console. As for the longivity of the PS3 I believe it has a lot of years to be out there. Hdd's are easily upgradable and has a full blown BluRay player as well. For that matter, I am still enjoying a PS2 as well. What I find amazing is that this problem has been out there, yet people will still go out and buy the things, WHY ? Seems the logical thing to do, if you wanted a Consloe would be to invest in a RELIABLE one, not something that is a crap shoot as to the longivity. I agree that a price reduction would be helpful to Sony. As for the Controller for Wii, people sem to forget the Dual Shock 3 for the PS3, also has a motion sensitive detection feature as well and is available in some games ( Heavenly Sword for one). Micro$oft only cares about dominating any market they may enter. The console market is one that Micro$oft should have left the gaming console to those who know what they are doing. They should just stick to publishing games for the other platforms. coastie65

[yzzlthtz]

Microsoft's greatest crime was brutally killing PC and Mac gaming. They could have put all that money and time into focusing on the pc as robust gaming platform, but instead they've simultaneously ruined PC gaming and console gaming by shoving their broken eyesore of a console into the market. Imagine it: Right now, we COULD have PC and PS3 happily sharing >certain< exclusives, each doing very well in its own right in the market, especially after Windows Live and easy tv connectivity and good console-like controls for those who want it all created by Microsoft, with the wii dominating games (inevitable). Instead, we have the ps3 and 360 slagging it out for user base and exclusives, losing gobs of money, and the wii skyrocketing above all of them, paving the way for shallow vapid gaming for years to come.
This is the result of the greed of Microsoft. Bill Gates plays Risk where others are trying to play an honorable game of Settlers.

[coastie65]

Yeah, I thought Micro$oft had a good thing with the Dungeon Siege series on the PC. I then came upon Fable: The Lost Chapters, which I also enjoyed. In Fact MS bought Lions Head Studios that put out Fable. Yep, they should have stuck with just producing games for the various platforms that had already been established. They may be a little slow on PS3 releases, but I still have the PS2 as well as the PC, to keep me busy in between and they all work when I turn them on or update them. You can buy an Xbox and spend 20% of tyour time gaming and 80% of your time waiting for a replacement, or spend a little more on something that you can spend 100% of your time gaming on or whatever. Of course the Wii is cheaper, but still works 100% of the time. Maybe if they advertised the Xbox as a High End Paper weight or Door Stop, People would think they got their money's worth. coastie65

[cap232]

ps3's are not going to last 10 years of use. they also break. i own both. i play atleast 5 hours a day 7 days a week. my 360 has been fixed once. and my ps3 has been fixed once.if you use a ps3 or 360 every day for 5+6hours a day they are going to break down.just from use.the 360s are back ward compatable. not the new ps3 thought. i can see the ps3 being outdated before sony thinks. but i like mine with using my psp with it. i do play the 360 more online. if sony would just forget about the stuiped ps home and set up a system like xbox live. i would use it more. i know some people wont like it,, but i would like to see a new ps3 controler with the mic plug in the back of the controler like the 360. it would be a great option. more people would use a mic. the ps3 blue tooth is a pain in the butt. i use the old ps2 usb mic instead. one thing for sure is the market place speaks. sony sales down. every one else up. will there be a day when there are more ps3's the 360's my guess would be probely. but that will be when microsoft is not making any more 360's and has moved on to the next new model or generation console leaving sony right were it is now.

[kitsune17717]

LOL that's pretty true. Just wondering, where would the Wii be in your list... you have to give them credit for being #1 in the console wars. LOL :p

[yzzlthtz]

Valve is a PC studio. Xbox 360 is a pc. Of course they would have a "challenge" developing for the PS3; they'd have to adjust their engine to fint a new hardware design.

Microsoft should have stuck to the PC. the videogame market would be a happier place right now.