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[WinTard]

I confirm Microsoft's claims by my own experience while beta-testing Windows 7 x64 and IE8. I was astonished by the lightning quick, instant webpages. And have stated so in my other posts, starting in Jan 2008. Under XP x86, I see no perceptible differences between browsers, except that Chrome is significantly quicker. However, I'd also like to state that FF takes 18 seconds to load initially, whereas IE usually takes less than 2 seconds. Afterwards, both are instantaneous. My hardware? Dell Latitude D830 Intel Core2 Duo T9300 2.50GHz 4 GB RAM, Sata 3 7200 Rpm. Optimized to the yin-yang.

[thewazak]

Time is such an issue to me: I only have 0.00745 nano seconds to respond to this post .......
After almost 20 years if Instant Enema (IE) one would assume that microturd would be able to make it fast, Eh?
But gives a rabbits butt about IE's speed? It is still bloatware.
Anyway, I will take a week off work to give FireFox time to load my favourite web page.

[thewazak]

PS Time is such an issue I missed out a word ....
Should have been "But WHO gives a rabbits ..." etc
Typical: in a rush and the "edit" function did not work so I had to add another post ...

[janekMZ]

the reason why Firefox loads longer than IE initially is because it has to load from scratch where as IE has a lot of it's stuff preloaded when Windows boots.
also, don't forget, since IE is faster than firefox, it also means that viruses/spyware will get downloaded faster into your PC, haha.

[techie4fun]

Good for it. Average computer users probably won't notice any speed increase, and as far as page rendering goes, the average user doesn't know to even care about it. Just as long as they can surf the web.

[oldschoolh4ck3r]

Great... so now we can get infected with malware even faster by using the new IE 8! Woohoo! ... No thanks, I'll stick with Firefox.



Security first, speed second.

[rasmasyean]

Personally, the small speed difference is negligible compared to the average time I would spend on a particular page. It's not really relevant. I like IE because it supports activeX and pretty much 99.9% of pages and web applications out there. FireFox was noticible faster on page loading, but in the end, it didn't make up for the fact that I had to "switch to IE" when something didn't work or a web seminar requires IE...and sometimes FF doesn't even show you a "broken object" so if you didn't know it existed (from using IE), you would never know there was such a feature. I think FF tries to hide these so you won't switch to IE. So I'll put up with the 0.1ms "bloat" so I can at least see the whole internet. But IE does crash more often, I have to say...for me at least in 64-bit Vista (if that's the cause). Not a big deal but just one point to mention.
Also, I think 64-bit IE seems faster. But I don't use it much because there aren't too many plugins that are 64-bit yet so stuff like Flash and Silverlight don't work.

[bbvammy]

My brain process 8TB per second and I type around 8 million wps.

Microsoft's IE load time seems like an eternity to me.

Microsoft, please make your IE load even faster.

Load IE before my computer even boot up.

[WinTard]

For those who believe IE is inherently unsafe, please be more open-minded, and simply seek the truth.

The root cause to 99.99% of all computer problems sits between the chair and keyboard.

People! Diligently, to be safer, protect yourselves, by awareness.

I recommend non biased, non-partisan, no FUD, no BS places like:

* CVE - Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (government site)
* NVD - National Vulnerability Database (government site)
* Secunia


And to Google for vulnerabilities {with a search parameter}:
Results 1 - 10 of about 572,000 for windows vulnerabilities. (0.22 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,480,000 for os x vulnerabilities. (0.16 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,620,000 for linux vulnerabilities. (0.17 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 303,000 for IE vulnerabilities. (0.14 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 327,000 for firefox vulnerabilities. (0.23 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 839,000 for chrome vulnerabilities. (0.16 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 913,000 for safari vulnerabilities. (0.16 seconds)

To get a more realistic and comprehensive view of real security issues. Not the useless, worthless, and baseless vulgar urban myths.

Excerpt from: http://www.heise.de/...er/news/134224]

09.03.2009 14:06

h1. Firefox: most vulnerabilities, but quickly patched

According to a [2008 report from the Danish computer security services provider Secunia, Mozilla had to patch 115 vulnerabilities in Firefox last year, more than Internet Explorer (31), Safari (32) and Opera (30) put together. However, after the vulnerabilities became known, the Firefox developers apparently dealt with them faster than Microsoft provided patches for its own browser.

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Excerpt from: www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2232492/firefox-tops-app-vulnerability
h1. Firefox tops app vulnerability list

Bit9 research reports 40 known severe vulnerabilities this year for the popular browser

Phil Muncaster

vnunet.com, 11 Dec 2008
Mozilla's open-source Firefox browser recorded the highest number of severe vulnerabilities among popular consumer applications this year, according to new research from whitelisting firm Bit9 released today.

Versions two and three of the popular browser were found to have 40 known vulnerabilities over the course of the year. Second highest was Adobe Acrobat versions 8.1.2 and 8.1.1 with 31, and in third place was Microsoft Windows Live (MSN) Messenger versions 4.7 and 5.1 with 19 vulnerabilities.

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Also, it is the vulnerabilities we don't know about, that worries me...

[janekMZ]

WinTard, thanks for the statistics, but those search numbers still don't tell a full story like: how severe the vulnerabilities are, how fast are they fixed, are we talking only about kernel vulnerabilities or the bundled software as well. Linux has many distors, and some of those vulnerabilities might be count unfairly multiple times. Windows is closed source, so we only have MS's word for Window's vulnerabilities, so is OS X. Also what are the probabilities of each of those vulnerabilities actually occurring for the given OS/browser?
In the end, we may never know which OS/browser is the most secure. All we can do is pick the one that works for our individual needs.

[WinTard]

Thank you janekMZ for your feedback.

I am not attempting to show bad light onto other browsers than IE, but to set the record straight. This presumption of superiority over IE has got to stop. While I totally agree a browser is a personal choice, those who choose non IE could refrain from justifying their decisions, by perpetuating the fallacy that IE is an inferior less secure product than their own.

And although not indicative of actual vulnerability incidents, the google search returns a somewhat correlated, and normalized statistics when using similar terms to seek info. That is why I also provided other reports actually tracking the incidents over last year...

As well, I've included the CVE and NVD links, pretty official, and they track everything. And for a non-governmental perspective, why not look at Secunia?

You will note I attempt to be fair towards everyone. I also use FF and Chrome. And simply reporting facts, is not bashing anything.

Those who do not like the information conveyed, may simply opt not read my posts...

To the others, please enjoy!

[rasmasyean]

Whether more or more severe "vulnerabilities" exist doesn't really matter. If you want to join a large "social network" on the internet vs. a small "church" or other setting in real life, what are the advantages and disadvantages? Sure you can get "stalked" and your "identity stolen" much more easily on the internet simply because it's a whole lot larger in population. And stalkers and ID thieves and other scammers will likely try to take advantage of ppl there! Wow...what a revelation! Anything good has a lot of ppl using it...and it does come with potential consequences. You know what? Why don't you just buy a bunch of canned food and live underground with 6" steel doors and a bunch of machine guns. That's pretty safe right? But if you want to isolate yourself like that, it's still "your choice". No one's stopping you. The important thing is that you weight the As and Ds and protect yourself in ANY circumstances. Just like you won't venture into the back alley in a crime ridden city.
Anyway, the "vulnerabilities in IE" is also FUD spread by Mozilla with one of the major claims as...since IE is used in in-house business applications as a practical monopoly, Microsoft can't really make it "too safe on the internet" without compromising rich functionality of "intranet" Apps (where the browser might need more control of your computer). Hence all the "ActiveX will make your computer explode" myths and stuff like that. In reality, experts are hired to tweak IE systems "downward" in security for SPECIFIC scenarios behind a firewall that makes your Linksys administration page look like a fisher price story book.

[number6]

The tests don't seem to have much validity because the tests weren't run the right versions of the browsers.

With Adblock Plus, an add-on for Firefox, pages load much more quickly. Who doesn't use it?

[Flashorn]

You peolple are sooo funny !



With proper security and timely updates , your PC should be just fine.

Whether one loads faster or slower than the other , in the end, what

matters most , Is the Security of your PC !!!.



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[Millinneumman]

IE8 is still number 1.

[technicalhitman]

On Saturday, March 14th, I wiped my old copy of Windows 7 Beta Build 7000 and replaced it with a fresh installation of Windows 7 Build 7057. This build was created on March 5th, 2009. It has many of the UI, UAC, IE 8 post RC build, and other changes within Windows 7. All I can tell you guys who are so anti-Microsoft is that I dare you to try the new Windows 7. Its so much better than any version that you've ever seen. If the RTM version of Windows 7 matches build 7057, Microsoft has got the best version of Windows by far. Its not your old Windows. You guys that are being so harsh and so anti-Microsoft to Windows 7, aren't being fair at all. You cannot compare Windows 7 to any other version, because it is such a departure from the older versions.

Using this post-RC build of IE 8, I can tell you that this son of a gun is fast! How fast? Faster than any version of Firefox I have ever used fast. It definitely blows Safari out of the water. To the author of this piece, Mr. Gregg Keizer, there is a factual inaccuracy in this article. According to Paul Thurrott and his connections within Microsoft, they DID test IE 8 against Safari 3 and the Safari 4 beta. Let me repeat that. Paul Thurrott has confirmed via sources within Microsoft, that Microsoft has tested IE 8 against Safari 3 and 4. The claims by Microsoft are indeed accurate. Also the updated browser is 5 times more stable than the Beta 7000 build. It has not crashed on me yet. If anything, this version of Windows has been so painless, I was able to wipe the old version and install the new version within 25 minutes!

The new IE 8 and Windows 7 are not anything like the previous versions. These are new versions bult with a different philosophy in mind, aren't as deeply integrated into each other, and are removeable. If you really don't like them after a full and honest test, take it off. Use something else. However, I think that this version of Windows 7 does deserve a re-evaluation from from users, businesses, and enthusiasts of every part of the PC spectrum. This isn't your mom and dad's Windows. This is a completely different animal that has some similarities to Windows in general. However, its as different as Windows Vista is from Windows 1.0.

Wintard, great job on posting the truth about the vulnerabiltiies. People really are ignorant of the facts and the tech press aren't being as objective and probing as they should against other non-Microsoft OSes being deeply flawed. However, the truth will eventually come out.

[coastie65]

{quote:title=WinTard wrote:}{quote}For those who believe IE is inherently unsafe, please be more open-minded, and simply seek the truth.
The root cause to 99.99% of all computer problems sits between the chair and keyboard.
People! Diligently, to be safer, protect yourselves, by awareness.

Hi Win, Great comment that, and very true. coastie

[thewazak]

Just a couple of thoughts .....
Quote "I'd also like to state that FF takes 18 seconds to load initially" State? For you, do you mean? Mine loads in just 2 seconds - so silly "statements" like that are not helpful.
Quote "I like IE because it supports activeX"
I LOVE FireFox because it doesn't!
Quote "I had to "switch to IE" when something didn't work (on FireFox}"
The result of Instant Enema (I.E's) integration in Winderz for all these years has created a school of Moron Webmasters - the ones that use Front Page, etc - perpetuating the need for IE. Now if people were to simply write to these webmasters telling them their site was useless - instead of "switching to IE", maybe progress would be made.

[WinTard]

thewazak said:

Just a couple of thoughts .....
Quote "I'd also like to state that FF takes 18 seconds to load initially" State? For you, do you mean? Mine loads in just 2 seconds - so silly "statements" like that are not helpful.
Quote "I like IE because it supports activeX"
I LOVE FireFox because it doesn't!
Quote "I had to "switch to IE" when something didn't work (on FireFox}"
The result of Instant Enema (I.E's) integration in Winderz for all these years has created a school of Moron Webmasters - the ones that use Front Page, etc - perpetuating the need for IE. Now if people were to simply write to these webmasters telling them their site was useless - instead of "switching to IE", maybe progress would be made.For the record: 18 seconds is from a clean boot. The first time FF loads. And that is accurate and the truth. Subsequently it loads in exactly 2 seconds. Are you aware of caching?

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