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[Rommel]

The only realism in games should be the visuals.

I see zero need to "play-out' these particular situations just to be force feed someone's personal agenda.

I don't wear a banner saying, "hey world I'm straight".

Others need to stop wearing there's tell us they are queer.

[VSDude]

Doesn't anyone know the term "TMI" (too much information) anymore? I don't need nor do I want to know about your "sexual orientation." Can we please keep such personal issues private? A public forum on a gaming site is not the place to be discussing this topic - just like a public park or a city street is not the place for undesirable displays of affection.

[VSDude]

Additionally, we are all doing our best in this new world to get along with everyone else. What helps this situation along is an atmosphere of some tolerance - on both sides. What hurts this situation is an atmosphere of imposition. Don't push me and you won't be pushed back.

[gundark]

It's Bioware's forum. They pay the bills, and they can allow or disallow whatever they want on their forum. The forums may be open to the public, but they are the property of Bioware, so they can filter content. Nobody is being forced to read or participate in the forum. I'm disappointed that Bioware caved into the pressure.
If you don't like that your posts are filtered, create your own forum with your own money. Then, you can make your own rules. A gaming forum is no place to discuss sexual orientation, race, religion, etc.

[JimH443]

If they want to put the anti-gay into mythos, it's easy enough...
An event occurred very early in the history of the Empire, and is not talked about. Based on the theory that homosexuality is genetic, massive genocide was performed. The theory turned out to be fact, and the "gay gene" was eliminated.
Ergo, no one in Star Wars is gay. Case closed.

[Dvorjakque]

Sure it's their forum, and they can make whatever rules they want. However, if they maintain intolerant rules, then all that will accomplish is to alienate a significant portion of their fanbase. This is absolutely NOT good for business. When you are a company that is trying to appeal to a mass audience and convince them to maintain long term subscription service, it is in your best interests to be as inclusive as possible.

[zoso67tx]

I just wanted to drop in and tell everyone here that I'm heterosexual and you must all respect me for it.
I agree with most of the posts here. Gay, Lesbian, Straight I don't care what you are. Especially in a video game scenario. Unless the game revolves around gay, lesbian, and straight people and I'm not aware of that game. Sounds like a crappy game now that I think about it.
Oh and I'm heterosexual and proud of it in case anyone forgot. I'm going to spread my straightness to the rest of the world now. Later.

[Dvorjakque]

You say you aren't wearing a banner declaring, "I'm straight." I disagree. You are free to talk about your girlfriend anytime and anyplace you so desire. You are free to hold hands with her whenever you want. You are free to dance with her at parties. And of course, you are free to marry her: the ultimate public declaration of your sexual orienation there is.
There are some extreme examples of gay people crossing the line of course (such as at gay pride parades), but the vast majority of gay people aren't like that at all... just like the vast majority of straight people don't all go to Mardi Gras and flash their goods. The reality is that love, relationships, and romance are all common and perfectly normal topics of discussion, and changing the relationship from a straight one to a gay one doesn't make any difference.

[BGG001]

If this were a different subject, all of your opinions would be completely different with the exception of a few. Why shouldn't they be able to say their gay? Why shouldn't they be able to be gay? To walk up to someone and simply say, "I'm gay," isn't really what's going on in this case either.

What you people are saying is people who like the color red shouldn't be able to wear red shirts because people around them prefer blue. Your guys' mentality is completely homophobic and outright insulting.

(Call me gay, homo, whatever you want for posting this because the fact of the matter is I know my orientation: heterosexual. Any attempt to insult me in that form is vacant and ineffectual for it simply isn't an insult, contrary to society's belief)

[JimH443]

BGG001 said:

Your guys' mentality is completely homophobic and outright insulting.

This is a term I really feel is totally misused. Would a person who doesn't like milk be lactophobic?

[squishie]

In the not so distant past.(60's)Homosexual relationships was a crime. It was called "Sodomy". You went to jail. The vast majority of americans don't appreciate you shoving your perverted lifestyle down our throats. Doesn't matter what the government or the world says, or what laws they pass. People will not accept it. As you can already tell, the more you yell about your so-called special rights, The more crimes are committed against you. These states that granted you equal marriage rights, against the will of the people. Don't you think the people won't resent that and take it out on you? You think hate crime laws will protect you and make everything alright? If you do you live in a dream world. Wise up, go back to the closet.

[BGG001]

@ squishie

Your fundamentalist way makes me laugh for you're ilk have always been a step or two behind the curve. In the very distant past, the ancient Greeks were openly homosexual, which plenty of our ideologies and sociological patterns today come from the Greeks. As stated above, it is not my perverted lifestyle either, I personally do find it odd and rather disgusting; however I do not find it necessarily unnatural or immoral in any sense.People will not accept change ever, for change is brought through generations, which is where liberalism and conservatism come into play. It's been a system of human society, especially prevalent in the 1920's and 1950's. Liberals, typically the young, do things that conservatives, typically the elder, find appalling. Those actions become normal after a certain amount of time until the liberals become the new conservatives and the new younger generation takes the place of the changed liberals.

Also, in the 1800's women were essentially enslaved by men. This continued until the Civil Right's movement starting earlier than the Civil War and ending in the 1920s. No one at the time believed in Women's Suffrage, but now, however, it would be an extremely odd world without it, wouldn't it? What about African Americans? They were enslaved, which was also changed by law, which was extremely unpopular at the time; in fact, it was unpopular for decades. Segregation laws took place after Jim Crow laws, until African Americans were completely free. Now it is commonly accepted in society, just as women's rights are. Can you see a pattern? You may not accept the change, but your children will probably end up seeing differently, and if not your children, probably your grand children. This is the same society of which you spoke of.

Need a more specific example of hate and intolerance? If it is so right to hate homosexuals, then how come Hitler, a man whom I'm assuming you believe is evil, massacred them? You want the world to be rid of homosexuals? Well, if that's the case, then the two of you have something in common.

Hate crime laws are admittedly a joke; but it still doesn't mean it doesn't prevent the actions from ever happening. Also, you personally referred to it as a hate crime, a name associated with an action that is immoral, unethical, wrong.

I don't believe in special rights based on race, ethnicity, culture, or sexual orientation; I believe in equal opportunities. You are one of the people who apparently are the cause of such laws, for they are being discriminated, and that's the purpose for the laws.

Genetically speaking, if you want to say homosexuality is unnatural, you're false. Homosexuality is proven to be a genetic trait, just as your eye color, your hair color, the size of your nose, the protrusion of your nose and such features. To discriminate against a homosexual is the same as discriminating against me because I have blue eyes.

What we do in the past is not always right: nuclear bombing, enslavement, genocides, the Holocaust...People will accept homosexuality with time whether you believe it or not. Believe what you wish but your ways will eventually be buried in time just as mine will; change is inevitable.

@ JimH443

Actually I believe I used the term correctly. Phobia is the fear of. People are afraid of what they don't know and are willing to defend them selves from exposure in anyway they can. An example would be a child having to do a presentation in school, but make excuses to their parent(s) and teacher(s). Perhaps these are not excuses, but they are more or less covers in some form, wouldn't you agree?

[JimH443]

BGG001 said:

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@ JimH443



Actually I believe I used the term correctly. Phobia is the fear of. People are afraid of what they don't know and are willing to defend them selves from exposure in anyway they can. An example would be a child having to do a presentation in school, but make excuses to their parent(s) and teacher(s). Perhaps these are not excuses, but they are more or less covers in some form, wouldn't you agree?

And therein lies the problem - that you believe you used the term correctly. I don't like gays - but I don't fear them in the least.

That's like saying that vegans are afraid of meat.

[BGG001]

@ JimH443

"Homophobia (from Greek homós: one and the same; phóbos: fear, phobia) is an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality, homosexuals,[1][2][3] or individuals perceived as homosexual."

So actually, I did use it the way I wanted to.

[JimH443]

I have no doubt that this is what you want to believe, however inaccurate it may be.


Edit: An example, I am averse to sticking my head in the toilet after I've
used it... but it's not because I fear it. The mere thought of it is
just something that I find truly disgusting.

[Rommel]

I wasn't trying to sound intalerant.

People shouldn't be abused cause they are a differant flavor.

I personnally believe the life style is unhealthy and is NOT the core that makes a unified balanced home.

I AM NOT HOMOPHOBIC. I am confortable around such people.

But the point of this tread was this type of stuff in gaming. IT DOES NOT BELONG. Just like games where it is the goal to run over cops and that makes you the hero.

This country is getting off base with its morals and finds any avanue to reach deeper into depravity.

Games are getting out of hand with violance and language and situational formats.

Many will disagree but thats the great thing about this country though we try to distroy it.

By the way, you can not say the gays were not the ones to thank for aids. History shows it, follow the trail. If that angers anyone you'll get over it.

[Dvorjakque]

Your statement that people will not accept homosexuality is completely false. The mere fact that 4 states and half a dozen countries have now legalized gay marraige is evidence of a trend toward acceptance. Furthermore, polling clearly shows that while the majority of older people do find homosexuality unacceptable, the vast majority of the younger generation have no issues with it at all. Not only that, but aside from the pastor at my church when I was young, I don't personally know anyone that is anti-gay, let alone someone that is so anti-gay that they would go out and commit hate crimes.


Your statement that gay people should go back in the closet because hate crimes are on the rise is ignorant. A quick search for statistics reveals that the number of serious violent crimes reported in 2005 exceeds 1,000,000. However, the number of hate crimes against gays reported in 2007 is about 1,400. Put another way, of the total amount of reported serious violent crime, gay hate crimes comprise only about .001%. Now, these numbers of mine are incredibly rough, but they are more than accurate enough to indicate that there is hardly an epidemic of gay hate crime sweeping the nation that is forcing homosexuals back into the closet. Your doomsday pandering is so overblown that its silly.

[Dvorjakque]

You say that homosexuality does not belong in games, but romantic relationships have been a core element of games since Mario first rescued the Princess. There's absolutely no reason that these romantic relationships should mysteriously exlude gays, just like there is absolutely no reason that games should never feature black people, just like there is absolutely no reason that there should never be female heros. The problem that you are getting stuck on is that you are associating homosexuality with depravity. But the reality is that deviant sexual behaviour such as promiscuity, pedophilia, and rape is what is depraved. Homosexuality, in contrast, is perfectly normal.



As for your comment that gays are the ones to thank for aids, let me just say the following. During the time that aids first appeared, gays were largely forced to live in the closet. This meant that pretty much the only way for gay men to have sex was with anonymous partners that they would meet in parks, bathrooms, or theaters late at night. However, if gays were recognized by society and gay marraige were legal, most gays would have been in normal, monogamous relationships and aids would not have been able to spread. The lack of gay marraige is what caused aids.

[squishie]

You forget that the vast majority are not the ones marching in the streets demanding that the people recognize and accept that homosexual behavior is normal. It is not. Your group is the smallest minority on the face of this earth. We are also not the ones who are lobbying the government to create these so called hate crime laws. So why are you? All hate crime laws are stupid and serve no purpose other than to further oppress and divide the people. People have to start taking responsibility and stop expecting the government to hold their hand and lead them through the course of life. The world owes you absolutely NOTHING. Peoples rights come and go at the whim of the rulers. The rights you have today, you may not have tomorrow. There is only one right that no one can take away. That is the right to die. No others.

You are right. The younger people are more accepting of this lifestyle. What do you expect? They are taught that there is no God, That life started from pond scum and they are descendants from monkeys. That moral's, decency, and the difference between right and wrong are just ravings of religious fanatics. And only do what is right in their own eyes. So the violence and shootings increase year by year as moral's decay year by year. Who cares? We are only animals. Accountable to no one.