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Should Microsoft Give Vista Ultimate Users Free Windows 7 Upgrades?

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 12:24 PM

You cannot access the Red Hat auto-patches unless you have a subscription... I know, I've tried. ;)

For OSes, try http://www.pcworld.c...y.html?id=10230

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Enjoy! :)

PS: You know now that I look deeper into it at the PCWorld link, I can't find that one at $75.95... Doh! I also don't understand why the prices fluctuate so much on a daily basis?

I paid $205 for my Vista Ultimate OEM x64 at TigerDirect. Now as of today, this is what tigerdirect.com offers when you look at Vista Ultimate:
http://www.tigerdire...?keywords=vistaultimateoem&image122.x=9&image122.y=7

I generally attempt to purchase only whenever there is a promotion of sorts.

Also worth looking into Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 21,800,000 for free window 7 upgrade. (0.30 seconds)

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 12:36 PM

ah, I always understood as you got security patches, just no support. You are right, that is a bit wrong.
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 12:46 PM

I never need to call Red Hat for anything, except renew the license... LOL! Support we take care of on our own. Anyways, it isn't difficult to outdo level 1 and 2 technical support anywhere... Level 3 is another matter. It happened to me with IBM. Within one talk to the level 3 they resolved our matter, just like that. But it was painful to get there. As level1 and level2 must go through ALL their scripts and exhaust the possibilities, until they are allowed to escalate.

It was in regards to Aix, and WebSphere, some memory leak issue...
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 01:30 PM

ok, AIX and WebSphere is getting just a touch out of what I do know... However, I do understand what you mean about level 1 and 2 support not meaning anything at all.
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 01:39 PM

Um sorry to all the moderators, I really have to cleanup my screen captures and resize them. But all your cleanup is really appreciated. I'm just sorry for all the extra work imposed on you guys & gals... Thank you. :)
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 01:43 PM

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Um sorry to all the moderators, I really have to cleanup my screen captures and resize them. But all your cleanup is really appreciated. I'm just sorry for all the extra work imposed on you guys & gals... Thank you. :)


FYI, if you just use the upload option (rather than the link to an offsite page), then the forum software seems to be able to resize it automatically. But, if you use the webpage link option, then it cannot resize automatically. Just be careful with the file size & resolution of the images that you upload, please:


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Posted 13 May 2009 - 03:18 PM

vista was a beta program that should not have been released as a "release candidate " program and if micro$oft what to keep some good will the should offer it to all vista customers
win 7 is the vista that micro$oft promised all of us a few years ago ( well i for one did not by vista to become a beta tester for micro$oft that receives no pay anyways) money well wasted now only after 14 months is vista a decent operating system
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 03:21 PM

Guess what, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info, I shall investigate this alternate method... I am true to my name, clueless oftentimes. LOL! ?:|

The only drawback to resizing is it makes the text impossible to read sometimes, thus losing the intent...?
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 03:27 PM

While I appreciate and understand what you are saying, perhaps we can also be a bit fair to Microsoft, in that according to Moore's law, in about 18 months all technology doubles and effectively renders older technology somewhat obsolete. It is only after I upgraded my 1GB to 2GB then 4GB and now 8GB Quad Core, that Vista works like a charm for me. But 14 months ago, 8 GB was esoteric, and so were Quad cores. Now they are entry level...
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Posted 13 May 2009 - 03:53 PM

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The only drawback to resizing is it makes the text impossible to read sometimes, thus losing the intent...?


I don't believe you should need to resize the images. When I downloaded the two that I adjusted most recently (I still have them my desktop) from where you linked to them, they were less than 300 kb JPG files. Image files of that size should be fine. The key is don't go uploading some photo from your 6 MP camera that is like 1 MB or something like that.
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 05:59 AM

h2. Dear Evildave
Would you like some cheese with that whine,In 2000 I became disabled and went to school to take up a new career path which turned out to be Web Page Design and Graphics .Some of the class,s I had to take was OS Hardware and Software and the only thing I have worked with has been Microsoft Windows while I will be the first to admit that the windows OS,s over the years have had thier share of problems I have found that with proper security software ,and downloading the patches when they are put out and if you don,t like the way some things work go in and change them that all in all Windows has a good proctduct.You know sometimes people can have the best and they still want better.Yes I think that if they did offer free upgrades it would please most people buy there would still be the ones that want more.Thank you for taking the time to read this. Larry
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 06:51 AM

" and if you don,t like the way some things work go in and change them " ( not to sure but i think that was meant as one sentence . . .lol your run on sentences are almost as bad as mine lol yeah usually mine are the whole paragraphs and sometimes two paragraphs long lol i must have thee worse grammar on this forum )



sorry larry but you just can'tr go in and start changing the source code or you would make windows even more unstable then it already is and not to many would know what or how to change it in the first place

just my two cents



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Posted 14 May 2009 - 07:18 AM

h4. Dear Lwpollard59:

Welcome to our wonderful PCWorld Community! I applaud your excellent and to-the-point first post here. And 100% concur with your ideas.

Thank you for having the chutzpah and integrity to candidly and honestly state your opinion! We need more people like you at PCWorld. Alas, this community has been overtaken by all kinds of zealots, here only to stir trouble, inflame topics, and provoke others into emotional responses.

In effect, this place is infested with trollers. And we let it happen!

It is high time that we take our community back, clean it up. And make it what should be: A class above the usual crass out there. Where people in goodwill can intelligently and openly discuss ideas, without having to make negative remarks about anything, or anybody. Yet mutually expand our intellectual horizons, by learning and sharing together.

To all those who only criticize, bash, whine, complain, destroy, and spew lies, FUD + BS... You've found your match right here, with all the good members in the PCWorld Community. Looking for trouble? Oh yes, you will find it.

Again, Lwpollard59, may your stay in this community be a productive, interesting and fun time! Please keep up the good posts. Thank you.

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 08:55 AM

@WinTard.
I do have 18 cents but I don't want to spend it.

A bad programmer can write a function more then 1 line.


A good programmer can write the same function under 1 line.


Why would I want to spend my hard earned 18 cents on some bloated softwares when I can donate it to someone else. ]:)
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 09:01 AM

not trying to make trouble just pointing out something !


but my" friendly stalker" has to make a big deal out of it !! weather she/he is just trying to stir up trouble does not matter



sorry larry if you take it as negative crtizim but i am only here to learn new stuff and how i learn best is by asking questions or pointing out stuff and seeing your responses



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Posted 14 May 2009 - 09:04 AM

Debate or debating is a formal method of interactive and representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, which only examine the consistency from axiom,
and factual argument, which only examine what is or isn't the case or
rhetoric which is technique of persuasion. Though logical consistency,
factual accuracy as well as some emotional appeal to audience are
important elements of the art of persuasion, in debating, one side
often prevails over the other side by presenting superior "context"
and/or framework of the issue, which is far more subtle and strategic.
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 09:45 AM

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@WinTard.

I do have 18 cents but I don't want to spend it.

A bad programmer can write a function more then 1 line.

A good programmer can write the same function under 1 line.

Why would I want to spend my hard earned 18 cents on some BLOATED SOFTWARES when I can donate it to someone else. ]:)


Then we are agreeing!

Why bitch and complain about anything, about something you are not interested in? ]:)

You're obviously not considering all these millions or billions of people using Windows wrong, stupid, idiots, but like you, they made the choice of adopting a tool that suits their purpose? Like I did? I also choose Linux you know?

So what are we discussing then?

Both you and I agree that eighteen cents a day is nothing... A simple matter of personal choice? Is it a free world? Where people can freely choose whatever without being ridiculed by small-minded people about their choices?

Did you ever see me criticize Linux, or Apple? I may have criticized bashers of Windows, but that's about it? ;)

Then we are on the same side, as Linux fellow supporters? We just diverge on our perspective of Windows? And that is perfectly allright!

Is there a need to dump on, crap all over, insult, and make others feel bad about their choices? Is that kind? Constructive? Civil? Or is it mean?

I simply would appreciate you not bashing Windows or Microsoft, yet adding nothing constructive to an ongoing discussion, between people attempting to exchange viewpoints, ideas, in a sincere, respectful, and grown-up intelligent discussion?

If you have nothing solid to add to the discussion, other than making noise, that Linux exists, which is completely out of topic in any Windows only specific thread, perhaps you could show some consideration towards others and their interests, who are actively discussing the topic at hand?

Oh, and what are you trying to accomplish? If it is to invite people to Linux, that is better done through making people feeling good about their choices, then propose a better alternative, I suppose? Tear down the walls of misunderstanding? Through kindness and emphaty?

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 09:56 AM

@WinTard

All jokes aside.

Do you know ( or anyone ) how to make Windows into a USB thumb drive.

I have tried, but I can't do it.

I am not talking about eSata. I can do that myself. ]:)
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 10:03 AM

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not trying to make trouble just pointing out something !

but my" friendly stalker" has to make a big deal out of it !! weather she/he is just trying to stir up trouble does not matter

sorry larry if you take it as negative crtizim but i am only here to learn new stuff and how i learn best is by asking questions or pointing out stuff and seeing your responses

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Hey dragon69, my posts were not directed to you? To make it crystal clear, I do not think you are a troublemaker!

I am not sure who you are referring to as "friendly stalker" that has to make a big deal out of it? But I give you the benefit of the doubt, in that I am certainly not a shit-disturber, looking for trouble. Just the opposite. I attempt to squash trouble, and clean up crap... As a public community volunteer service.

I try to help people.
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 10:19 AM

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All jokes aside.

Do you know ( or anyone ) how to make Windows into a USB thumb drive.

I have tried, but I can't do it.

I am not talking about eSata. I can do that myself. ]:)


Well I wasn't joking in my post to you. I am perfectly sincere, and perhaps a bit too naive? But that takes guts to be honest and vulnerable.

I suppose since one can boot off USB, a sufficiently large enough USB key such as 16GB or larger, would allow booting Windows 7 off a memory key?

Perhaps some fiddling required?

Maybe first go through the install on a virgin HDD, then 'backup' the image using Acronis or GHOST onto that USB?

That is BTW how they manage to get OS X to boot on x86, as I read. They even use DD under Ubuntu to do that. ;)

So perhaps after installing, simply formatting the memory key appropriately for booting and DD'ing the binary installed image of Windows 7 onto that key at the right offsets?

Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 279,000 for boot windows in usb key. (0.22 seconds)
Appears the way to go. Let's face it. Linux, OS X, or Windows are operating systems, once in binary form, are genetically the same to an x86 CPU, don't you think? So if one can do livecd's for Linux, one certainly can do a livecd of Windows... But why? Still this is an interesting question... And livecd image doesn't have to reside on a CD or DVD. The first install of Windows 7 off the 3.2GB DVD filled up around 10GB of stuff in a virgin disk. Implying a 16GB USB key (which is for all practical purposes a very slow hard-drive) bootable media should accommodate that bootable image, regardless of what it is.

Another place I'd look is Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,430,000 for windows livecd. (0.28 seconds)

If and when I find out more, I'll let you know. As well, I count on your courtesy should you stumble upon the solution to the question you raise, that you will expand our horizons, and share your newly acquired knowledge?

Thanks!

PS: Good question! Oh and looking at the same problem from a different perspective, it would perhaps be easier to load Windows 7 onto a netbook, and boot off Ubuntu from a USB memory stick? Since that has already been done in the past, and is fully documented... I admit I am lazy...

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