[JAYoung]

I didn't claim it was. And lookie there, you wrote Microsoft. My point is that your opinions will be taken more seriously if you don't write things like "Micro$uck." Thus endeth the lesson.

As for any losses I may experience due to my opinion, don't worry about it. I'm good with what I use - Macs, Windows and Linux.

[Evildave]

Nah, I have no need to be taken 'seriously'.

After all, I'm just a harmless little old crank.

[WinTard]

Evildave said:

Nah, I have no need to be taken 'seriously'.

After all, I'm just a harmless little old crank.

Don't worry, nobody takes you seriously. Except when your posts are free from juvenile verbiage. Which is a shame, because you are quite technically competent... If you just could lose all the negativity and animosity toward mean names... And use your knowledge for the good of all, Evildave?
;)

Maybe it is therapeutic venting for you, but only hurts your own credibility in the end. People don't get offended, or shocked by your name-calling. They expect it... And probably, most dismiss what you have to say thereafter, regardless of the merits of what is being said. Oh yeah, you will be popular amongs those who have a chip on their shoulders, but is that really what you want?

~~~~~~~~~~
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him.
~ Galileo, 1564-1642, Italian Physicist and Astronomer

[dragon69]

Welcome to the pc world forums jayoung and i hope you stick around long enough so i can some stuff from ( and maybe you might even learn something from if not then from many of the smart people on here)



yeah evildave maybe you don't need to be taken seriously but when i need help with linux i do know who to ask



gl and tc e1 ( loosely translated as good luck and take care everyone )

[JAYoung]

Thanks, dragon69.

Oddly enough I've been a subscriber to the mag for many years, but didn't ever bother to create an account here. I'll likely stick around, if only to wield my grammar/spelling stick. I'm old and crotchety, you see.

[TechieXP]

I actually don't think Macs gained a marketshare because of Vista. Macs gained a marketsjare after going x86 in 2006 and because of iPod and iPhone. Even though Vista had a slow adoption rate...it was still better than the majorit of the combined releases of OSX. MSFT states that even though Vista adoption rate was slow, they still sold about 150 million copies...how many copies combined of OSX you think have been sold?

[TechieXP]

@Evildave...I guess if you don't download pirated software you don't have to worry about the autorun attack...right? So if you pirate software then you deserv to be exploited.

And for that other stuff..where are you going to leave your machine where you have to worry about someone gaining access? In my home? Only me an my girl live together...so who is going to access it while I am gone other than her? What about at work? Unless you have a rogue employee who is a spy the only people sart enough to be able to even plant a bug would have to be an IT guy. Most of teh users aren't smart enough to do what you said. Which means most of teh bugs MSFT patches probably won't ever be used.

Unlike about I would think MSFThas to be up on patching bec they are attacked more. ALL SOFTWARE IS INHEREENTLY BUGGY. A doc can no more protect you against a disease they don't know about no more than MSFT can right code that would protect Windows from every possible thing. Linux and OSX have holes...problem is not that they can't be exploited...no one wants too. The fact OSX is wide open and yet not attacked just shows MSFT is simply a target period. If MSFT had the same market as Apple they would be just like Apple...releasing fixes at there leisure.

I don't use anti-virus running constantly on my system. I haven't since Norton 3.0...how long ago was that? I have yet to suffer a virus...I have a Linux live CD that I have installed to a flash drive and I boot it maybe once a month to do a virus scan and to this date I have never had an infection...and I am a power user.

If you always get software from its original source and not hand me down from off teh internet YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A PROBELMS. And Linux being free, you have no idea what tyupe of software you would be downloading. In your case as a power user you would probably know what would be a good software to use. But someone new to linux would not. Which means they would easily be exploited and so would a newbie be to OSX...but it won't happen in either case if all 3 use legit software that isn't stolen.

I admit I do visit torrent sites, but I may download something to test out before I buy...But I never run them on my everyday system. I have a POS pc here running Windows XP that isn't hooked to my other computers and I test a software for a few days. If I don't like I simply dump...if I like I simply dump and I purchase the program. Or maybe if I have a friend that has an ORIGINAL CD maybe I will borrow it...But I never load a burned CD from anyone...unless I burned it. Even at work if I need a CD burned I don't even accept them from out IT staff which I am a part of. I've burned my own copies of what we use. The only person you can trust is yourself. If you ever think you can ever depend on anyone but yourself to protect you from the outside...then you're a lost cause anyway.

That fact remains...all 3 operating system are insecure and Windows is more secure bec it has to be bec it is going to get attacked ore. Anyone who has time and sit to try to discover just shows how hard losers are willing to work to try to make MSFT look bad...but every tie MSFT wins over...some broke @$$ joe who doesn't have a life who wriote code to exploit someone else should be arrested under the terrorist act and locked up for life no matter how old they are.

[dragon69]

"I actually don't think
Macs gained a marketshare because of Vista. Macs gained a marketsjare
after going x86 in 2006 and because of iPod and iPhone. Even though
Vista had a slow adoption rate...it was still better than the majorit
of the combined releases of OSX. MSFT states that even though Vista
adoption rate was slow, they still sold about 150 million copies...how
many copies combined of OSX you think have been sold?"



i believe that the ipod and iphone do not use osx it might be a little heavy of an operating system for a small mobile device



this page on wiki is what i was referring too
h1. Usage share of desktop operating systems


( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usageshareofdesktopoperating_systems )



for the real paraniod people perhaps they should check out " Kylin operating system " as i hear it has the most security but this is from an online article

" The project, known as Kylin, is supposed to keep the evil running dog imperialist pigs from stealing all those glorous technological secrets that have made China the centre of technological development. "



but some say it is based on bsd but other say it is totally new and not based on linux or apple or windows os

[WinTard]

WOW!

:D

[bbvammy]

@Evildave.

Nice, very nice. I hope you don't mind if I save your post?

I always knew that Microsoft has design flaw, but you say it better. ]:)

[BGG001]

in response to your signature bbvammy...I know someone who got Windows XP to boot off of a 2GB flash drive, so yeah, Windows CAN do that.

[bbvammy]

@BGG001

can you show me how?

I am very interested in doing so.

I found some articles regarding , but I dont think they are creditable and very troublesome. ]:)

[WinTard]

Um, do you think anything is perfect? Are you perfect? Is Ubuntu perfect?

Me? I'm a joke! I'm WinTard...

~~~~~~~~~
A joke is a very serious thing.
~ Winston Churchill

[BGG001]

Thought your interest might be piqued, I honestly am not sure how he did it. I wish I did. I know he put at least a month into doing it until it was stable, he used to have problems with it deleting system files on shutdown and it would BSOD on startup. I don't talk to him often either, last time was roughly a month ago.

The irony is he's a linux user lol.

[bbvammy]

@BGG001

For me, I like to carry my OS on my key chain.

I might not use Windows on USB, but I don't mind having it. ]:)

[WinTard]

Ahh, Windows might not be so useless after all? Even if you might not use it? That's honest.

But the right thing to do is to purchase a license. Of course! Well Linux is free, and that is GREAT! ;)

~~~~~~~~~~
The words of truth are always paradoxical.
~ Lao Tzu

[bbvammy]

@WinTard

If Microsoft sell Windows 7 on a USB thumb drive, I will be the first one to buy it.

I don't hate or dislike Microsoft, just other OS has the functions that I like.
I still have 2 unused XP licenses. ]:)

[Evildave]

The risk is there with 'legitimate' ISOs and other media from known sources.

So long as the ISO is a file, it's mutable. Malware already exists that infects ISO files. Downright easy, really. Replace the file autorun.inf says to run with another one, then (optionally) call the original file to mask the issue. Or infect executable content within the ISO. Modifying an ISO file is dirt simple. Doing it automatically doesn't take any imagination.

Chances are good that the ISO you get from a software company will be free of infection, but not guaranteed. Media with viruses has shipped to the public before, and will be shipped out again.

Just last December, Samsung shipped digital picture frames with infected software installation CDs.

http://www.google.com/search?q=shippedinfectedsoftware

Linux is more secure for its variety. How many PC viruses will be able to run on a PS3 running Yellow Dog Linux 6.1? Zero. Why? Wrong platform, wrong CPU, wrong everything.

Even if you wrote a killer Yellow Dog Linux virus, it couldn't replicate. How would it find other exact matches of Linux machines to infect? They all have holes, to be sure, but they all have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HOLES.

It's not 'security through obscurity' (though all security is 'security through obscurity' when you get right down to it - you assume nobody else knows your root password, for instance). It's just all but impossible to write one bug that can 'get' even a significant fraction of Linux systems, and even if you wrote it, they'd patch up your exploit and your bug would go extinct in short order. The same effort could create dozens of bugs for Microsoft systems, which could all run for years. Besides, you're more likely to find someone like your grandma running a M$ system without patches, without functional antivirus, and without a clue what they're doing, who'll open that executable email attachment the first time, the tenth time, and the hundredth time you tell them not to.

[BGG001]

Evildave said:

The risk is there with 'legitimate' ISOs and other media from known sources.

So long as the ISO is a file, it's mutable. Malware already exists that infects ISO files. Downright easy, really. Replace the file autorun.inf says to run with another one, then (optionally) call the original file to mask the issue. Or infect executable content within the ISO. Modifying an ISO file is dirt simple. Doing it automatically doesn't take any imagination.

Chances are good that the ISO you get from a software company will be free of infection, but not guaranteed. Media with viruses has shipped to the public before, and will be shipped out again.

Just last December, Samsung shipped digital picture frames with infected software installation CDs.

http://www.google.com/search?q=shippedinfectedsoftware

Linux is more secure for its variety. How many PC viruses will be able to run on a PS3 running Yellow Dog Linux 6.1? Zero. Why? Wrong platform, wrong CPU, wrong everything.

Even if you wrote a killer Yellow Dog Linux virus, it couldn't replicate. How would it find other exact matches of Linux machines to infect? They all have holes, to be sure, but they all have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HOLES.

It's not 'security through obscurity' (though all security is 'security through obscurity' when you get right down to it - you assume nobody else knows your root password, for instance). It's just all but impossible to write one bug that can 'get' even a significant fraction of Linux systems, and even if you wrote it, they'd patch up your exploit and your bug would go extinct in short order. The same effort could create dozens of bugs for Microsoft systems, which could all run for years. Besides, you're more likely to find someone like your grandma running a M$ system without patches, without functional antivirus, and without a clue what they're doing, who'll open that executable email attachment the first time, the tenth time, and the hundredth time you tell them not to.

The problem with your argument lies with the grandma part. If she is not capable to run an automatic updater on Windows, they won't be able to deal with Linux. Windows to Linux is a very steep learning curve for most.

[bbvammy]

@BGG001

Unpatched grandma = Botnet. ]:)