[kludgette]

I seriously though this was a joke article when I saw the title. You should be writing for "The Onion", not pcworld.

[kludgette]

You should be writting for The Onion. Your post is so ridiculous is almost funny.

(Having troubles posting - hope 7 don't come through)

[windzilla]

Wow, thats really putting it out there. I would say it can become a real success if everyone on verizon who has held out for an iphone competitor goes and buys one. then when it goes global, a similar move by people on carriers who don't have the iphone due to its exclusivity contracts.

[dinkme]

"but anyone who buys a $199 Pre over a $99 iPhone 3G is seeing something that has quite eluded me."
You answered this question with the next paragraph of your article.
"The best hope for Pre, in the short term, is for Sprint to take such decisive pricing action on its service contracts that it makes Verizon and AT&T look hideously overpriced. How likely is that?"
You might want to look at sprints plan pricing. Savings on sprints plan pay for the 100 dollar difference in 2 months...... plus you got another 22 months of overpaying on ATT. Iphone is overpriced at 99 dollars when you factor in the plan that actually makes it usable.

[rburna]

wow! wicked article... btw, the Pre UI is much better than the iPhone, I've used both and the Pre is leaps and bounds over Apple's current offerings. Although the battery life could be a LOT better on the Pre, it kills the iPhone in the user experience in every way. BTW, in case you've been hiding inside Apple's rectum this entire time, the project that IS going to bring PALM back to life, is WebOS, it is not based on a single device (although it has much to do with it as well).
Oh no! I think PC World just lost my subscription.

[jaileer]

"anyone who buys a $199 Pre over a $99 iPhone 3G is seeing something that has quite eluded me."
Perhaps I can help you. Here are reasons why I will choose the pre over the iphone:
1.) multitasking.
2.)Sprint is better than AT&T. connectivity, speeds, everything. even iphone users hate AT&T
3.) $99 EVERYTHING plan. even if everything else were equal I'll pay an extra $150 - I'll make it up 3 months into a 24 month contract.
4.) the $99 iPhone is NOT the G3S and therefore will not have more memory or faster processing.
Even though the pre might not be for you, it's a bit silly to say you can't see even one logical reason to choose a pre over a $99 iPhone.
Disclosure: I'm typing this on my beloved macbook pro and I hated my Palm Treo. So please don't accuse me of being an apple hater, windows fanboy or a Palm lover. kthxbye

[smax013]

Dueces said:

So the "software" not only deleted the comments from the article, but also deleted the thumbs down rating and left the thumbs up rating at the same time.





I'm sorry but the only people naive enought to believe that would be iphone users.

Do not know about the thumbs down bit...I will forward that on as well...but there is a bug in the software that is causing the problem...they are trying to get it fixed...but it is also one of the reasons why the forums will be going to new software soon.

But, then maybe you are right...the whole world is controlled by iPhone users and we (although I cannot see how that includes me as I do not own or use an iPhone) are all out to get those of you who believe the Pre is better...including deleting all the negative comments about articles that we like...even though all those comments are still here on the forums (if you bothered to check).

[smax013]

Dueces said:

but also deleted the thumbs down rating and left the thumbs up rating at the same time.

Oh, and the thumbs down rating is there...kind of. The one at the top is gone for some reason (it appears this might be true of all the Business Center articles), but there is still one at the bottom of the page:



The current tally is 65 thumbs up and 691 thumbs down.

But feel free to believe that PCWorld is out to remove all traces of your negative feedback.

[johncase3]

Do not know about the thumbs down bit...I will forward that on as well...but there is a bug in the software that is causing the problem...they are trying to get it fixed...but it is also one of the reasons why the forums will be going to new software soon.
But, then maybe you are right...the whole world is controlled by iPhone users and we (although I cannot see how that includes me as I do not own or use an iPhone) are all out to get those of you who believe the Pre is better...including deleting all the negative comments about articles that we like...even though all those comments are still here on the forums (if you bothered to check).



Bothered to check? The ONLY way I knew the missing posts were in this forum, is because I got emails with links after posting. Being the first time I ever posted, I didn't even know there WAS a forum.

At first I made a post in HowardForums Sprint-Pre section ripping you guys a new one. I assumed you were protecting the and PC World from extreme embarrassment (nothing to do with iPhone users). Then when I realized the posts were not actually deleted, and some kind of error was possible, I deleted my post.

[Carydc]

David, In many ways I am inclined to agree with your comments and concerns. But there are many technical capabilities that the pre components have that are not yet realized. So I believe the Super Pre is possible. Not only a Super Pre but a Tablet WebOS Device as well. Something like the ASUS EEE T91GO or T101S but running WebOS and using that outstanding Chip that TI made, Palm is using.
Items like Hollywood Video capabilities are not yet in use. 16 Mega pixel Video is possible. Newer High Speed Internet connections are possible. The list goes on and on. So this is just the start. The problem is this is a competition and iPhone/Apple is not the only companies in the race. RIM is an after thought in my mind at this point in time. It does not have the capabilities to even try to compete with the current hardware that it has deployed.
The game changing features are there.
The recent announcement of the flight info system to track flights is just the tip of the iceberg to show what is possible.
This is a paradigm shift in how to think of a phone. No longer is it does one thing at a time

[davoaxiom]

At&t prices are hideously over priced. If you figure that Att averages $50 more per month for the same plan that is $1200.00 more over a 24 month contract.

[jonahu]

Are you seriously referencing a January '09 article comparing the iPhone 3G with the Palm Pre?
http://www.pcworld.c...7084/smartphonesmackdownappleiphonevspalmpre.html
Do you not have anything more up to date? I don't know if it's laziness, an uncontrollable bias or a simple matter of incompetence.

[jonquinn]

This guy should be fired if he is expected to write objective articles. Sprints plans are considerably lower than Verizon or AT&T. The Simply Everything plan is $99/month. The equivalent plans from AT&T and Verizon run aprox $160/mo last I checked. AT&T service sucks.
I recently got Sprint service and it is way better than Verizon where I live - which is Los Angeles, CA. Epic FAIL for Verizon when "horrible service Sprint" kicks your ass.
I swear there is a giant conspiracy out to get Sprint. I read all these articles dogging Sprint but all their claims are unsubstantiated at least in my experience.

[achristie]

The ONLY reason I come to David Coursey's pages anymore is to click the Thumb's Down icon. I don't even read the article. I figure it's one way I can be almost as biased as he is.

[swagg]

[quote name='achristie']The ONLY reason I come to David Coursey's pages anymore is to click the Thumb's Down icon. I don't even read the article. I figure it's one way I can be almost as biased as he is.


AGREED!! This guy is a jok! I say that he is a joke on all of his post I read.. i would like for him to do an official Coursey Review of the Palm Pre, though it would prolly be his fst time to pick one up, so he may need help... Thumbs DOWN Coursey, THUMBS DOWN!

[Carydc]

Folks,

Since this post I have been doing more research and found something very amazing.

The same TI CPU that is in the Palm Pre is now in use and on sale in Europe in a 3G GSM Unlocked Phone.

The Phone is Korean Made. It sports a True HD Camera at 720p that has 8 MP for both Full Motion Live Video and Pictures with Auto focus and Auto Adjust. It allows Video Phoning and Video Messaging, as well as a 3.7 inch screen the AMOLED Screen uses less energy and is bigger than the iPhone and reportedly smokes the iPhone in comparison tests.

On technical merit alone the TI CPU in use by the Pre can and should be doing more. It was a poor choice to go with the Active LED Screen versus the AMOLED Screen.

That aside, the Pre could be doing so much more and is not. This Phone made by the Koreans is on the Orange Network in Britain right now. Lists out unlocked right now for between 800 to 850 a copy.

It runs Symbian.

Samsung i8910.

Here are all the specifications:
h3. Technical Specification

||Size:||123 mm x 58mm x 12.9mm|
||Weight:||144g|
||Talk time:||Up to 13.5H|
||Stand by:||Up to 600H|
||Network:||HSUPA 5.76Mbps / HSDPA 7.2
Mbps / EDGE/GPRS Class 12|
||Bands:||8509001800+1900(Quad
band/GSM), 90019002100MHz
(Tri band/3G)|
||Memory:||8GB / 16GB Flash + External
Memory slot : microSDHC™ (up to
16GB)|
||Display:||type : 3.7" Full Touch QHD 16M
AMOLED with Tempered Glass,
Resolution : 360 * 640 (16:9 ratio,
Quarter HD)|
||Battery:||1500mAh|
||Input:||Full Touch Screen (Advanced
TouchWiz UI with Widget)|
||OS:||Symbian S60 5.0 (full touch UI)|
||JAVA:||JAVA™ MIDP 2.0|
||Internet Browser:||S60 OSS (Safari Core)|

h3. Camera

||Camera resolution:||8 Megapixel CMOS + CIF|
||Zoom:||Digital zoom X4|
||Flash:||Power LED Flash|
||Focus:||Auto Focus Shot|
||mode:||Face Detection/Smile Shot / Blink
Shot / Panorama Shot /Timer
Shot / Mosaic Shot / night mode|
||Photo effects:||Gray / Negative / Sepia /
Emboss / Photo Frame|
||ISO:||Auto,100,200,400,800,1600|

h3. Personalisation

||Ringtones:||wma, mp3, m4a, amr, 3pg, aac,
mp4, mmf, wav, awb, ra, mid ,
imy, rtx, rttl, rng, mxmf, xmf1,
xmf0, xmf, rmf, midi|
||Wallpapers:||Yes|

h3. Video

||Player:||DivX / XviD / H.263 / H.264 /
WMV / MPEG4 / RV|
||Recording:||24fps@HD(1280 x 720p)|
||Streamming:||Yes|
||Video Decoding Frame
Rate:||24fps@HD(1280 x 720p)|
||Video Editing:||Trim video, Audio dubbing,
Live dubbing, Add subtitle,
Image capture|
||Video Playtime:||D1 : Upto 6.8Hrs, 702P : Upto
4.3Hr|
||Video Recording time:||D1 : Upto 4.1Hrs, 702P : Upto
3.0Hrs|

h3. Music

||Player:||MP3/ AAC / AAC / eAAC /
WMA / RA|
||Radio:||FM Radio with RDS|
||Recording:||Yes|
||Podcasts:||Yes|

h3. Games & Applications

||Games:||3D Games|
||Download Applications:||Yes|
||Document Viewer:||Yes|
||Mobile Printing:||Yes|

h3. Call functions

||Voice Mail:||Yes|
||Voice Memo:||Yes|
||Speaker Phone:||Yes|
||Video Calling:||Yes|
||Caller ID (text & photo):||Yes|
||Call cost/time:||Yes|
||Dialled, missed, received:||Yes|

h3. Messaging

||SMS:||Yes|
||MMS:||Yes|
||Video Messaging:||Yes|
||Email:||Yes (POP3, IMAP4, SMTP, SSL,
TLS, OTA E-Mail Settings
Configuration)|
||Instant Messaging:||Yes|
||Predictive Text:||Yes|
||Cel Broadcast:||Yes|
||Vcard/ vCalendar:||Yes|

h3. Connectivity

||Bluetooth:||Bluetooth v2.0|
||WAP:||Yes|
||USB:||USB 2.0|
||Wifi:||Yes|

h3. Personal information management

||Scheduler:||Yes|
||Clock:||Yes|
||World Time:||Yes|
||Alarm:||Yes|
||To Do List:||Yes|
||Calendar:||Yes|

h3. Value-added Features

||Features:||GPS / S-GPS / Xtragps with
Navigation, Proximacy, Light
Sensor, Compass, Accelerometer,
Mobile Widget, Share Pix, E-
Dictionary, Biz Card
Recognition,Real-time video
uploading, Smart Search|

All the S60 Software that runs on the Nokia's runs on this phone too. So there are thousands of apps already available for it.

It also multitasks....

USB and also tethering works as well. Everyone of the iPhone and Pre Tricks are here except the cards for multitasking. This one uses a cube to move to different apps and a task list.

So this arguement is a mute point.