[Roddly]

Or niboned, it could be that the author didn't think past his nose when wrote his assement that the Pre failed at lauch and has nowhere to go but down(where do you lower from failure anyway?). It's particularly evident when the author writes things such as, "anyone who buys a $199 Pre over a $99 iPhone 3G is seeing something that has quite eluded me" even when regular shmoe readers know you can save a grand just on the contract agreement period alone. Maybe you and him do not find it as compelling(though that is just as ridiculous), but completely unable comprehend the idea to where it eludes him? Seriously? Talk about dense. And since people have disagreed or critisized the author for overlooking something so obvious, it must be that people are mad because it just might have a hard time. Hyperbole much?





And good job keeping it going by deliberlatly avoiding so many other valid arguments in this massive sea of them to pluck one out that isn't to try and discredit everyone as being rabid fanboys. And even then, it really is closer to being a toy than 'quite a useful business tool' unless the corporate environment you work in is Burger King and the closest thing to a business oriented function you need is keeping up your facebook profile. The iPhone was never aimed at business users and only in the past year obtained the ability to open a common word file that flies through corporate e-mail servers on a daily basis.



I think the iPhone is awesome, but the irony of you calling other people fanboys and "h8ters" while getting uppity about someone calling the iPhone a toy is just too funny.
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[Roddly]

MacGeek, I guess since windtel PC's outsell macs, then macs suck. Oh, but were it to be otherwise, Macs would be outselling Windows 19:1. Solid argument you have there. Perhaps you should go work at a Apple store for 11 bucks an hour with all the other "geniuses".

[wowthatsbad]

"Evolution partners"??? What? lol!
"Apple's response? Sell a product that is at least as good as the Pre, its iPhone 3G..." So the junk called iToy is on sale now? Probably heading to 99 cents only stores. I had to switch to Pre, because the iToy was a JOKE.
You sir are FAIL.

[barryp3403]

iPhones big mistake - not going on the best network in the US - Verizon - Palm will be there in January. RIM's big mistake: a quirky and difficult interface. Coursey - you are right, RIM and Apple have to make a mistake - but your wrong that they haven't.

[JDnewk]

Nice, use your own review to back up your assertion that the company has nowhere to go but down.
Where are you basing your business plan of "waiting for someone to screw up?" Is it possible more people are switching to smart phones??? Is it possible that the value proposition of integrated messaging and contacts will be something some want?? Is it possible that some were hoping android could make it, but found that since they don't seem to have a clue, they'll look at the pre with the physical keyboard and say, they got it right (have a itouch, hate the keyboard)... I think there's room for the pre.

[k4ever]

@1MacGeek: Facts got you all hot under the collar? Whats up with the name calling? Anyway, you say that tethering will be with the 3G S model, yet you have constantly in your post talked about the 2G and 3G models (which are the $99 ones) which probaly won't have this feature. I've heard from AT&T and Apple guys like you since the IPhone 2G that tethering was coming. Guess what, its still not here and I won't believe it until I actually see it. Until then, the only way you can tether an IPhone is to jailbrake it. Thats a fact. You also did not address the FACT that the IPhone is just now getting cut and paste and that the IPhone lacks a physical keyboard. The 2G and 3G probaly won't get multitasking and I don't think the 3G S will have it either. Another person brought up a good point based on your analogy. If Macs are better than Windows PCs than Macs would also outsell Windows PCs 19:1. That is not the case, even though Macs are superior in quality. There would also be more BMWs on the road than Hondas. You, as a Mac enthusiast should know that sales numbers don't equal quality. So calm down. The IPhone is a great phone, just not a great smart phone.

[1MacGeek]

k4ever said:

Anyway, you say that tethering will be with the 3G S model,

No, that is not what I said and you know it.

k4ever said:

>yet you have constantly in your post talked about the 2G and 3G models (which are the $99 ones)

Wrong again. I have never written a single word about the 2G iPhone. That is a construct of your imagination.

k4ever said:

You also did not address the FACT that the IPhone is just now getting cut and paste and that the
IPhone lacks a physical keyboard.

I know there is a point there somewhere, but I can't find it.

k4ever said:

The 2G and 3G probaly won't get multitasking and I don't think the 3G S will have it either.

And again, you would be quite wrong.

Aside from the battery swapping, you have yet to claim one correct thing about the iPhone.

k4ever said:

Another person brought up a good point based on your analogy.

And again, I know there should be a point there somewhere but you just aren't up to the point of making it. I wasn't talking about quality or merit or anything else. I was talking feature sets people want on their phones - and clearly no matter one's personal definition of a "smart" phone, Apple has what people want in spades. It's just that simple. Rant all you want, but you don't change that simple fact.
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[pdny]

The Palm Pre is Awesome!!!!

Comparing the iphone to the Pre is like comparing DOS to Windows.

The multitasking, non intrusive notifications and ability to keep your documnets open on the desktop assists in never forgetting what you were working on.

On the iphone after a text or call interference you have to go back to main menu and then find the program you were working on then relaunch.

and if the call or text takes you on a new path you may forget to go back to where you were until its to late.

On the pre its waiting on your desktop

You will be more succesful and more efficient with a Pre. I already am

It does business right. It does personal right and it keeps both lives together but seperate. My corp server doesnt need to know my life

iphone has nothing on the Pre

check it out for yourself and stop listening to writers who are obviously paid by apple

[k4ever]

You say I have no point when I mention cut and paste and a physical keyboard then you turn around and say that the IPhone has what people want in spades. If it had what people wanted then it would have a physical keyboard and it would have had cut and paste from the beginning. Yet it does not (have a physical keyboard) and did not (have cut and paste). Look Dude you need to understand that when you are talking about the business aspect of a smart phone you are talking about email and document editing. Quickly replying to a mission critical email without a physical keyboard is a pain in the rear. This is why so many people love their Blackberries. All Blackberries (except the Storm) have a physical keyboard. Editing an office document at the last minute on your phone without cut and paste is a nightmare. Apple should have never release the first IPhone without this. I'm in the military and I get sent to some wierd and remote places that lack power (or the right power) without prior notice. Sometimes for more than twelve hours at a time. I have to carry an extra battery with me just in case my phone dies. I can't do that with an IPhone. When I'm on the road traveling I sometimes need to access the internet from my laptop. I don't want to pay $10 a night to use someone else's hotspot. Its too expensive and not practical. Also, the hotels that offer free internet are usually booked or their internet connection is overloaded. This is why tethering is essential. I agree with you. The IPhone has a lot of things that people desire, not necessarily what they need. It is lacking as a smart phone. It is an excellent multimedia phone. We all know that Apple is working to make it better for business, but it is not there yet. Your apologies for it won't help it to get there any faster. The Pre has all of the business stuff out of the box. It also has a very competitive data plan. If it did not cost me over $950 to switch from AT&T to Sprint (I have 4 phones), I would jump ship today just to get the Pre.


I will end our conversation on this note: The only thing you have done is try to belittle me for pointing out the flaws in the IPhone. I did not make this about the IPhone vs. the Pre, the author of this story did. He did not use facts to back up his position. Both he and you let your passion for the IPhone get the best of you. It eliminated your grasp of reason. No one is saying that the IPhone is not a great phone. No one is saying that the IPhone does not have a boatload of apps. What I am saying, and some of the others here are saying is that the IPhone is lacking as a smart phone. It is missing some key components that are needed by most of us to make our jobs easier. Which is what a smart phone (ie PDA phone) is suppose to do. These things may not be important to you, but you don't by my phones or do what I do. The Pre is well suited to fit my needs. Too bad I can't afford to get one. The IPhone does not fit my needs so I'm stuck with my AT&T Tilt until I can upgrade to a E71x or a Bold. If the Pre came to AT&T I would switch to it. If Apple puts a physical keyboard on the next new IPhone and truly fixes all of the other issues with software version 3.x then I would switch to an IPhone in a heartbeat. I, unlike you, don't get passionate about these things (IPhone vs Pre vs Blackberry vs the next big thing). I just use what works the best for me. The IPhone is not it.
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Trying to keep it civil but this guy is a little to passionate about the IPhone and seems to be missing some key points. I apologize for following him down the slippery road.
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[HebrewHammer]

I'm sorry but this is the worst review I've ever read. Sounds like someone has some personal issues. How do you make a living by writing articles like this?

[HebrewHammer]

It is extremely obvious that you are horribly biased. It confounds me how you have a job writing and consulting being soooooo biased.

[smax013]

ALL:

Please refrain from the personal attacks and name calling and keep to the subject at hand with a civil discussion.

[RanW]

Why are you only showing 'Thumbs Up' This article is overwhelmingly rejected by the readers (at this moment 61 to 589). Looks like PCWorld is on a witch hunt.
Get your facts right mister, Pre was a record breaker for Sprint.

[smax013]

johncase3 said:

All the comments were deleted (99% negative) Unbelievable.

To all that raised this issue, I suspect it is a problem with the website software, but I have a note into the PCWorld staff to look into it.

FWIW, the comments are still there in the forum thread, but do not appear to be showing up on the actual article page. If you want to see all the comments, then you can find them on the forum thread here: http://forums.pcworl...e/229848#229848

[randygrenier]

First, there was no "failed launch". Second, the iPhone 3G is not "at least as good" as the Palm Pre. I'm disappointed that PC World doesn't have less biased reporting on technology.

[mickytricky]

How is this crap top rated??
Why does PC world only show 64 thumbs up prominently and not the 645 thumbs down on this article.
Dear PC world, you have to stop allowing authors like these to write utter nonsense or face being boycotted by your readers.

[Dueces]

So the "software" not only deleted the comments from the article, but also deleted the thumbs down rating and left the thumbs up rating at the same time.



I'm sorry but the only people naive enought to believe that would be iphone users.

[kludgette]

This article is so ridiculous it's almost funny. But more sad really.

Palm Pre's launch was a success. A few bumps, but over all well. I wish you (Palm) a slew of new devices that make a dent in all the other smart phone markets. Though I know many IPhone users are a little "touched" and will never see the beauty of this or following devices.

Good choice on going with Sprint, since they have the best data coverage and prices.

I would have paid $200 for the Pre even if the IPhone, Blackberry OR Windows Mobile device (I retired a HTC Touch for the Pre) was available for free. We all have our needs and uses for our Smart phones. My needs are most DEFINATELY not met by the IPhone - not to mention it's UGLY.

Thank you Palm and Sprint!

[swagg]

kludgette said:

This article is so ridiculous it's almost funny. But more sad really.

Palm Pre's launch was a success. A few bumps, but over all well. I wish you (Palm) a slew of new devices that make a dent in all the other smart phone markets. Though I know many IPhone users are a little "touched" and will never see the beauty of this or following devices.

Good choice on going with Sprint, since they have the best data coverage and prices.

I would have paid $200 for the Pre even if the IPhone, Blackberry OR Windows Mobile device (I retired a HTC Touch for the Pre) was available for free. We all have our needs and uses for our Smart phones. My needs are most DEFINATELY not met by the IPhone - not to mention it's UGLY.

Thank you Palm and Sprint!

agreed, it almos too big and square...



and the rebate doesnt bother me, im an employee hahaa, rebate is automatic (and $0/mo unlimited txt/data 450 min 0 month contract XD ), so it pays for itself COMPLETLY (rebate AND device) after couple months, but i have to wait to get mine, i have to wait for all you customers to get one to meet demand so hurry up and buy them!!!!

[kludgette]

This article is so ridiculous it's almost funny! I thought it was a joke when I saw the title. But it turns out you don't seem to be joking, you may actually believe what you wrote.

This really should be posted on The Onion.

We all have our uses for smart phones. And for a lot of us...gaming is not the number 1. I'd like to be able to make a call and use data services. Can't do that with ATT in my area.

The IPhone is also a VERY ugly device. I would give it away if handed one.

Plam Pre is an AMAZING device on Sprint with the best 3G coverage for an amazing price (the plans are considerably cheaper and you get more). I look forward to my next WebOS phone in two years. :)