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Does Apple Owe Banned 'Hottest Girls' an Apology?

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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:17 AM

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Posted 26 June 2009 - 06:51 AM

Apple doesn't owe anyone an apology for refusing to enable porn distribution. Porn is disgusting, dehumanizing, and debasing.
If Apple does draw a line between mature and soft core, they wouldn't be the first. Marge Simpson was surprised in one episode by who gradually Fox had become a softcore porn station. If only she had seen Dollhouse, she might rethink the term "softcore".
Sexually suggestive materials doesn't belong in the public realm. It's indecent. A decent public should police this with public opinion and pressure.
John Adams: "There must be decency and respect and veneration introduced for persons of every rank, or we are undone. In a popular government, this is our only way."
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 07:04 AM

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Posted 26 June 2009 - 07:06 AM

Online porn is for losers.

Keep Apple awesome.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 07:14 AM

This is the whole problem with Apple playing gatekeeper on every app in the store in the first place. Adults don't need some corporation telling them what is appropriate and what is not any more than they need their government to do it for them.
Keep it up, Apple. Google is loving it!
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 07:16 AM

I sure am glad that Apple in not the government.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 07:44 AM

"Porn is disgusting, dehumanizing, and debasing." ..... and delicious. Since when did an iPhone become "public realm." I am pretty sure that people want one, and buy it....and it doesn't even come loaded with porn. The only way you could get it on there was to put it there yourself. Its not like they are pushing free porn to your phone nonstop.


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materials doesn't(sic) belong in the public realm. It's indecent. A decent
public should police this with public opinion and pressure."


A decent public should police this with public opinion? Consider that done... Just check out the $12 billion porn industry. It seems that the public likes porn.


If you are the type of person that needs to be protected from yourself then maybe you should go check out one of those countries that controls all of these things for you. Assuming you aren't a complete idiot your little quote from John Adams is a good one but I hardly think his Federalist ideas weren't meant to control porn in the US.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 07:58 AM

You're right to a point...this does need to be trafficked, but the fact that Apple is banning it is somewhat ridiculous. Technically speaking, it's a tyrannical act on their system...perhaps they should apply ratings to apps similar (but much better than) the ESRB?

ESRB IMO is garbage, but if it were tweaked it could work perfectly for apps.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 08:05 AM

Amen, Navyjugg.

Perhaps Welkom would prefer China's way of life and Green Dam. Porn is in the eye of beholder. Some feel that a simple bikini photo or Hooters restaurant is considered porn. Who's to say. Let the individual consumer decide what he should willfully put on their own phone.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 08:09 AM

This is horrible behavior by Apple and one of the reasons I don't like the fact that you have to get apps through there store. If they want to filter apps for malicious code, legal issues, or apps that may make the system unstable then that's fine. But they should not filter by the content or purpose of the app. It's not that difficult to create a mature section...if they don't want to be associated with certain content or types of apps then let people get apps from other places where they can get what they want. I personally would have no interest in this app, but I don't need some corporation playing big brother for me. As long as Apple is telling people what they can put on their phone, I have no interest in getting an iPhone.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 08:29 AM

Bravo to Apple for having some morals in this confused world. Apple is saying they will not be a party to promoting what they consider inappropriate. If this line of resoning is lost on you, try this: should they allow apps promoting the enslaving of Blacks? Child molestation? Suicide? Cheating on school exams? Ponzi schemes? Apple is saying they want no part in this, and if you really must have a porn app on your phone, the iPhone is not for you. Bravo, Apple. Makes me want to buy an iPhone.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 08:43 AM

I agree. It's about time a company says that they actually care about their image. I wouldn't want to put the effort in to creating a public image like Apple has done, then tarnish it by selling porn. It's just common sense.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 08:44 AM

Apple's House - Apple's Rule

My kids don't tell me how to rule my roost either
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 08:54 AM

"...should they allow apps promoting the enslaving of Blacks? Child molestation? Suicide?"

Really? Are they forcing people to watch this pornography app? Are they forcing the people in the porn to do it? No. There is consent on both ends making your comparisons completely stupid and outright dumb. You have a brain, I'd prefer that you actually use it in the future.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 09:00 AM

What? We covered up the fact that we almost lost our CEO, a fact that could have greatly adversely affected your investment in our company? That's ok, we're Apple! But no boobs for you. We've got our morals!!! I'm very sorry you can't control your porn addiction and need a iPhone. Perhaps we could take up a collection?
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 09:08 AM

Just tooting the ol' horn here, but this entire situation played out exactly as I postulated it would here:
http://is.gd/1ez4G
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"Apple will not distribute applications that contain inappropriate content, such as pornography,” an Apple spokesman told CNN Thursday afternoon. “The developer of this application added inappropriate content directly from their server after the application had been approved and distributed, and after the developer had subsequently been asked to remove some offensive content. This was a direct violation of the terms of the iPhone Developer Program. The application is no longer available on the App Store."
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As I said, there is little to stop developers from adding in naughty content after they've already been approved for the App Store in some fashion. In this case, it was the Hottest Girls publicity that got the application pulled. But at the very least, developers can relax knowing Apple will continue to take its hard-line stance against certain application elements regardless of how you get them into the program...
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 11:04 AM

Thats just the problem. Since when did my phone belong to the company that sells it? My house, my rules. Not Apple's rules. They don't come into your house and tell you how to run things, and they should not come into your phone either. What would people say if Microsoft started telling people what software they are allowed to use in Windows?
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 11:20 AM

BGG001:

I believe you are under the misconception that mutual consent = morally acceptable. It does not.

However, the argument here, perhaps so subtle that you missed it, is that besides the pornographer and the dirty old man, there is a third party to the transaction - Apple Inc. They are a party to it by selling/enabling/profiting from the app. Apple declines to participate in the transaction. You would deny them that freedom and force them to be a conduit of porn. I would not deny them that freedom.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 11:42 AM

It's hard to set morals seeing as they are ones personal opinion. While societies do have a set standard of morals, obviously, as demonstrated here, they differ. Note, I never once stated that porn was either moral or immoral. I just believe that person (may have been you? I don't remember the name and don't care to look back) used poor examples for comparison: all of them were illegal and socially unacceptable. Porn, being an extremely large industry, is obviously not socially unacceptable or illegal.

You're right. Apple is their own company and can do what they wish; however, that doesn't mean it's the correct decision, which is where I argue with them with just about everything from pricing to this.
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 12:02 PM

I thought it was Apple who is denying software developers the "freedom" to sell apps for the iPhone outside of Apple's iTunes store??? I must be mistaken. I was also unaware that all admirers of the female body were old and dirty.
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