[DubhBas]

Firfox 2 isn't even due out until sometime mid afternoon on Tuesday PACIFIC TIME. Bunches of us will still have to wait for a while yet.

[jujhs]

[quote name='marozsan']I use Firefox browser, my friends use Internet Explorer (old habits die hard!).> > When I download some documents from the web I save them in MS Works Word processor (unfortunately I don't have a choice).> > Occasionally I forward some of these saved documents as attachments. The recipient IS UNABLE to open them with IE.> > > > What is the problem and what is the solution?> > > > I would appreciate any help to be sent to: marozsanjanos@hotmaILcom> > > > Thank you in advance,> > > > J.M.The problem is M$'s organizational culture. :roll:The solution is to go to www.openoffice.org, and download - for free - a superior office suite, instead of the #@$#!#@&%$# lame excuse for a word-processor which William Henry wants to over-charge you for. :DP.S. I urge you not to post your email address on these sorts of boards - unless you like spam. If you really must post your address, at least make the spam-bots work a little harder, by posting something like: myname@NOSPAM.some.domain :)* I mean MS Word, obviously. M$ Works is just an attempt by the marketing department to convince us to send Bill more money. :evil:

[mathion]

[quote name='marozsan']I use Firefox browser, my friends use Internet Explorer (old habits die hard!).> > When I download some documents from the web I save them in MS Works Word processor (unfortunately I don't have a choice).> > Occasionally I forward some of these saved documents as attachments. The recipient IS UNABLE to open them with IE.> > > > What is the problem and what is the solution?> > > > I would appreciate any help to be sent to: marozsanjanos@hotmaILcom> > > > Thank you in advance,> > > > J.M.The problem is that IE is a browser, not a word processor. Even though you save the file as a MS Works file through IE, the recipient's computer must also have Works installed to view the document. You would do better to save them as RTF files. Any computer can open RTF documents - even with Wordpad. And you preserve most basic font formatting.

[aberlaine]

I tried IE7 and wasn't impressed. I'm back to IE6. When Opera 6.0 came out, I downloaded it. I've upgraded it as new installments came out. Now THAT'S tabbed browsling.

[chrismgtis]

[quote name='EM50']What ever happened to Netscape 7.2? A friend of mine is using it and without any antivirus or protective sw.It's never smart to use any browser without AV protection (or the Internet at all for that matter). To a typical user I would definately recommend using FF and the NoScript extension to block all scripts from running except for those that the user specifically needs. It's also not a bad idea to have AdAware and Spybot both installed and use Spybot's TeaTimer system settings protection software while browsing to be aware of any processes that may unknowningly get inserted into startup.The bad part about doing any of this; using AV software, protecting new processes from being added, pop-up blocking features, script blocking extensions etc... most users are well, not smart enough to understand how to use them or to use them at all. They think installing the software and never thinking of it again is enough. That just isn't the case.As always AV software does not work for a user that doesn't take advantage of it. You are required to update as soon as possible when an update is released or you might as well not have AV software at all. And an extension like NoScript is useless if it is turned off or the user just goes around browsing and allowing just any script without knowing what they are allowing.As far as Netscape goes. I'm not really sure whether or not I would recommend the use of Netscape. I would probably say not, to be on the safe side. Netscape hasn't exactly been at the forefront of browser technology lately. These days it only takes a couple of days for software to be rendered useless when new ways are found to exploit a browser. Then it takes several weeks or more sometimes for fixes to be released. On the user side, it takes months if not years for the user to actually update their software, if they ever do. In most cases they don't.> {quote:title=dlauber wrote:}{quote}You can see tab thumbnails in FireFox -- all you need is the Tab Preview extension. Put your mouse over a tab, and a little nice preview instantly pops up. As usual, FireFox is way ahead of IE -- big surprise!They just made extensions possible. They didn't create the extension. You can't give FF credit for being a great application because of the extensions written for it. That would be like saying Windows is great software, because you like Norton Antivirus. :wink:

[i4icarus]

after I have installed IE7 on my pc, I can't log in to Speedtouch though i'm entering the correct username and password.. I've contemplated on resetting my router.. thanks that I have tried Firefox 2.0, I get thru Speedtouch on the first try..

[VikingByNature]

[quote name='EM50']What ever happened to Netscape 7.2? A friend of mine is using it and without any antivirus or protective sw.ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape7/english/7.2/windows/win32/seaHere you have a choice of the Basic or Complete installation.-= Viking by Nature =-

[OmGiGd]

IE anything has never been a good idea. Fox Fire is a great program and should be the obvious choice for any one.

[murphy2006]

I prefer Firefox by a long shot.

[computerman82]

Internet explore 7, no thanks. I'm sticking with Mozilla Firefox 2. Internet explore 7 interface is not that good, and the security is very poor. Mozilla Firefox 2 is the best out there!!

[aisip]

While surfing a few sites using IE7's new "tabs feature", my computer literally froze in its tracks when I pointed my cursor and clicked on the "Control Tabs" icon in the task bar! Thinking it was a one-time fluke, I pulled the plug, turned my computer back on and did the same exact thing.. and it happened again! The screen just turned blank, and everything just froze! The LEDs on the keyboard were blinking like crazy! This happens everytime I click on that "Control Tabs" icon - it looks like a square with 4 rectangles inside it. What is happening?! Has anybody else experienced the same thing? Looks like MS released IE7 prematurely!Happy Halloween!Aisip

[Cerebus]

Mark me down as one of the 99.9% of the population that has installed IE7 and had no problems with it whatsoever. IE7 is a very good product. The discussion over whether Firefox is "better" than IE can go on for ages (fueled by those people that will never approve of anything Microsoft does). The truth is, which one is better is based on personal likes and dislikes. Some will like IE, others will like Firefox. What makes this whole discussion moot is that in the end IE will win out. Every company, with their thousands of laptops, will have their employees install IE7 (they all have IE6 now). Many of the employees will opt for IE7 at home because they are familiar with its use through their work. There will be some Firefox "holdouts", but we all know that five years from now IE will dominate and Firefox will go the way of Netscape.

[jhann]

Within hours of using IE7 (official release), I discovered 3 major bugs: 2 UI bugs and one HTML rendering bug (MS can't seem to fix those scroll bar issues!). I've also been using Firefox 2.0 (official release) for a few days now and have only found one UI bug. IE7's UI is totally confusing to users. It's not optimized for newbies or pros. What the hell are they thinking? Remove the menu bar? Move the Refresh button and prevent a user from moving it back to the place they've always known? Multiple home pages? At startup time, IE7 is faster than FF. IE also squeaks ahead of FF in terms of raw Javascript performance. However, actual benchmarks show that FF is much faster in real-world applications: [url]http://www.zimbra.com/blog/archives/2006/10/firefox2vsie1.html_IE7 fixed some CSS and HTML standards problems, but they still have dozens more I've discovered. FF is still much, much easier to work with when creating pages. Furthermore, IE's developer toolbar is extremely buggy in IE7 (and is hardly useful for AJAX/DHTML applications, anyway). If you are lucky to get a Javascript debugging environment set up and working, back up your environment now! You never know when it's going to stop working again! in FF, the debuggers are add-ins. They can be buggy, too, but you never have to wait more than a day or two before the bugs are fixed! Gotta love open source!

[jhann]

[quote name='Cerebus']What makes this whole discussion moot is that in the end IE will win out. Every company, with their thousands of laptops, will have their employees install IE7 (they all have IE6 now). Many of the employees will opt for IE7 at home because they are familiar with its use through their work. There will be some Firefox "holdouts", but we all know that five years from now IE will dominate and Firefox will go the way of Netscape.Cerebus, wake up. Open Source, including Firefox is here to stay. Big time. Not even Microsoft can stop it now. The following link shows Firefox usage around the world. True, the US is behind the tech curve, as usual, but the trend is clear: corporations are increasingly allowing or mandating use of Firefox over IE. The following page is in French, but you can see the numbers on the charts. These figures are for browser statistics during the work week (not the week end): [url]http://www.xitimonitor.com/fr-FR/Technique/FirefoxSeptembre2006/index-1-1-3-52.html_Scroll down for more charts and graphs.

[Cerebus]

Others need to snap out of their state of denial and start quoting from legitimate sources. I work for the largest employer in Europe. We use IE and have no plans to change. This morning I had a meeting and while waiting for it to begin I took an informal poll of the 12 people in the room asking them if they "use Internet Explorer, Firefox, Opera, or something else at home". All use Internet Explorer with 5 people asking me what Firefox was, a word processing package perhaps? The point is that Firefox might be of interest to PC World readers that devote themselves to tech issues, but people in the real world that aren't opening up their computers to install memory etc are perfectly happy with IE ... as they should be. Time will tell, but if you are honest you'd be putting money on IE, and not that Firefox word processor or whatever it is.

[Docusa]

Well, I have been using both browsers for a long time now, and I think that I know how to use them very efficently! The problem is that you kind of need them both! Firefox2 seems to be more stable than IE7. Everytime I seem to close IE7, I get this insufficent memory error. I don't know what this means, but I do know that I have more than enough memory to run IE7. FireFox2 on the other hand doesn't give me any problems at all. The only thing is it seems to have a problem running Quicktime related files in the browser. Other than that, Golden days are here again. Not to say that IE7 hasn't improved, but how long has it taken them to get tabbed browsing, WOW dude! That is a mighty long time to get there when your supposed to be @ the TOP of the Mountain. I will stick to FireFox, sorry IE7, again!

[jhann]

Here's the page in English: [url]http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-US/Technicals/index-1-2-3-52.html_[quote name='Cerebus']I work for the largest employer in Europe. We use IE and have no plans to change. This morning I had a meeting and while waiting for it to begin I took an informal poll of the 12 people in the room asking them if they "use Internet Explorer, Firefox, Opera, or something else at home". All use Internet Explorer with 5 people asking me what Firefox was, a word processing package perhaps? I hope you don't mean to try to compare your survey of 12 against a survey of hundreds of thousands...

[Cerebus]

I seem to have become a victim of my original point. That being that this whole discussion on IE7 versus Firefox isn't really worthy of intellectual discourse. The reasons being (a) since people use the internet in different ways ... which they like best or is best for them is subjective. It is not that interesting to hear a big discussion re "I like this browser because of this or that". It ain't really that fascinating, simply use the one that you like the best. And (b) the whole browser "war" issue is hyped, IE dominates and will continue to do so into the future. If you believe that Firefox's future is so rosy, then why not sell all your retirement investments and buy Mozilla stock. Yeah, I thought so. To answer the one question posed, "no" my innocent survey of 12 people is nothing more than an indication of what some real people are using in their real lives. I meant no comparison to the survey indicated since the figures presented are from a source that is not legitimate. The media company that owns this journal has as its majority shareholders, two "software" companies. Neither of these are Microsoft, and while neither compete with Microsoft in the browser arena, they do compete with Microsoft in other applications. As such, the figures presented are highly dubious and not impartial. Going back to my original point, and believing this topic is getting much more attention than it deserves, I will remove myself from any further discource on this subject and read no more.

[Fooi]

I love both browser. No matter how u need them both to perform particular task. :)I agree that Firefox2 is much stable than IE7. Besides that, I feel that the speed of loading a page, obviously Firefox is faster. :)If I were given a chance to rate for both browser. I would give Firefox2 for 8/10 and IE7 is 5/10. Since after I switch to Firefox from IE till now... I still prefer Firefox. Yeah... Mozilla~~ Cheer~~

[themagain]

Firefox 2.0 is awesome, and frankly i don't even want to try IE 7.