[ajstavely711]

[quote name='davidsco27']ANOTHER reason NOT to upgrade to this piece of crap. Wait for the next one. Once again the morons at Microcrap create an OS to impress themselves, rather than their customers. WHO NEEDS AERO JUNK??? WE WANT A FASTER MORE PRODUCTIVE COMPUTER!!!!!...I guess this will not be a cool thing to say, but I like the "Areo Junk" and I like owning Microcrap stock! :D

[Riddick51PB]

Vista is faster with a dual-core CPU? Who would have imagined that?

[wolfieyahpillock]

Well Vista has arrived and thanks to microcrap its another OS that is pure crap , my friend has just got the premium edition and asked me round to compare it against xp pro, well first impressioms where thus , well done microcrap only you lot could re-invent the commodore 64 and tell us its brilliant , think my mate was a bit miffed as i said well you can keep that crap because knowing microcrap , it will take 5 years to make it safe only to introduce another OS that has nothing more than fancy trinkets on it . If i wanted a bell and whistle i would buy one, thing is i dont , i want an OS with shear processing power no bugs ,crashes or security flaws , in less than 3 months i bet there will be in the region of 30 plus updates for vista and for all its fancy launch the box it came in looks about the best design package of the whole thing , too f.......g funny , i will buy one when its save and error free , probably around 2015 !!!!!!!!!!:lol: PS:- update for all of those who claim vista is the best thing since sliced bread well the bread has gone mouldy and DELL are going back to XP due to customer demand and if anyone ( including the know alls ) can tell me what the benefits are i would like to know because my company has brought several and as for learning vista , give me a break , its the most annoying OS i have ever come across , to cut to the chase its no better than a chocolate kettle pmsl

[immi]

Got VISTA business free from Microsoft. Initially I had thought of waiting six months to a year and then installing but I thought of just trying it.PC Config Intel P4 3.2 GHz, RAM 2 GB running XPDid a fresh Norton Ghost Image to save my XP then instead of upgrading, I did a fresh install of Vista business. Although user interface and appearnce seems better. Installed few of my programs including MS office 2007 (again free). I would never have installed/upgraded these in near/forseeable future if I did not get these free. I tried various programs and web surfing for 6 to 8 hours and the final outcome was that Vista makes PC slow (Or VIista runs slow) in comparision to my XP professional install. Also I did not very much like the apperance also. Although upto now from 95 to NT and NT to XP upgrades I liked right from start but not this from XP to Vista.I just restored my XP image back to my PC and got rid of Vista.

[Rimmer]

Vista sure LOOKS very nice but beauty is only skin deep. I guess as time progresses software technology gets more demanding on hardware resources for some reason, maybe it is all the fancy make-up and dummy proofing. :wink:

[Ayersr]

I personally Love Vista, the only problems I have had are some software compatibility issues, But I remember being the first in my college to buy XP and how the version of MatchMusic killed XP, Twice, needless to say I quit using MatchMusic and there were other software titles that I done away with because I work in IT and I knew I needed to know XP to keep my job skills up to date, Same goes for Vista, if you work on computers for a living you better be learning Vista because it's coming to a business near you soon, like it or not, , It's the software company's fault for not being prepared for Vista, how long has Beta or RC 1 been out? if you are content with your Windows 95 or 98 computers why are you even here discussing Vista. I'd not put on my resume that my college is still using Windows 3. something. Also everyone griping about the price. I got a AMD 3500+ dual core Athlon, 180 Gig HD 1 Gig RAM, DVD SuperMulti Drive, Nvidia 128 Video card and a 19 in wide screen monitor with Vista Home Premium computer with multi card reader for $700 at Walmart , so quit the griping about price. for a little more than the Vista software you can have a whole Vista ready computer. As for older programs that do not run well on Vista yet I am going to install a older 80 Gig HardDrive and going to make it a dual boot system so I can still use software thats only XP compatible. Vista can run up to 4 gigs of memory and 4 monitors, so for a Power user like myself it's a worthwhile investment. I own my own web design company and don't see why anyone would want to stay in the past unless they just can't afford a better computer. So Flame on, Give Gates the badmouth then go home and play pong if that's your choice, as for Me I can't wait till Vista's replacement comes out. Some folks are cutting edge and some are dull as a butter-knife. You can tell which one I am.

[artwolfe1967]

When I first received Vista in the mail, I wasn't sure whether or not I'd adopt it. So I dual booted with XP for about a week. Almost immediately I was hooked. Soon I erased my XP partition, and I haven't looked back since. In my opinion, Vista is just as fast or faster than XP, and I run a lot at once--5-7 Word docs, 3-4 PDFs, Firefox with 10-12 tabs open, iTunes, Explorer, 1-2 Excel windows, plus Trend Micro Internet Security and Windows Defender. I never have to wait for anything. And the OS looks a hell of a lot better while I'm doing all that. I find it way better looking than OS ugly (X). I've extensively used XP and Ubuntu Linux with XGL, and am passing faniliar with OS X (many of my business partners use it). For my purposes, Vista outperforms them all. It's not perfect, nor is it even the best at all of the things I do, but it is a lot of fun, especially when combined with the new Office 2007. That is one fine office suite. I actually stopped using Open Office and bought a copy of Office 2007. Anyway, if you don't like it, don't use it. There are plenty of other options out there--free or otherwise. :D

[alguienoalgo]

if it doesn't better than xp that's not for me.
very bad english i know

[ted1020]

Computers and software have become too complex for the way PC World tests them and the way people use
them. Everyone wants the best and the latest for the cheapest. MS owes it's success to the stupidity of IBM. You
can Google this history. But it won't change anyting. MS has a lock on OS's and they know the only way to keep
it is to keep "re-inventing the wheel"!
The true question is: "can you do what you want to do on the money you have to spend and in the time you have
to do it.
A lot of things get in the way. All I know for sure is that MS is smarter because we pay them over and over for
more bloated and defective code for which they mostly give us eye candy.
MS has all of us mermerized cause we keep sending them money. We are like sheep who are afraid to upset our
lard and manipulator MS.
Frankly, I'm happy to just have a machine that doesn't crash and isn't so holy any idiot can infect it!
Since MS has all our money, one would think they might try learning how to produce better code as that could
guarantee their continued success.
There are coders who do that. Each new version is the less, the same or a little more code than the previous
and it works much better. Much of it is Freeware.
But most Computers users know nothing of this. PC world could and should be writing about this.
Well, we wouldn't want to upset Ms, now would we?
Also, Linux now tests on par with Windows. Some say this is a waste of time, but actually competition is good
and Linux can help in causing MS to produce a better product at a more competitive price.
Economics and marketing tell us that MS can actually make more money if they have tough competition.
Heck! This is even good for magazines too.
So! All this endless testing of defective products and the consequent bad mouthing should be replaced with
positive things.
When someone is on your tail it forces you to do your best.
To date we haven't seen much of that. It's time that changed.

[MarioJP]

ted1020 said:

Computers and software have become too complex for the way PC World tests them and the way people use

them. Everyone wants the best and the latest for the cheapest. MS owes it's success to the stupidity of IBM. You

can Google this history. But it won't change anyting. MS has a lock on OS's and they know the only way to keep

it is to keep "re-inventing the wheel"!

The true question is: "can you do what you want to do on the money you have to spend and in the time you have

to do it.

A lot of things get in the way. All I know for sure is that MS is smarter because we pay them over and over for

more bloated and defective code for which they mostly give us eye candy.

MS has all of us mermerized cause we keep sending them money. We are like sheep who are afraid to upset our

lard and manipulator MS.

Frankly, I'm happy to just have a machine that doesn't crash and isn't so holy any idiot can infect it!

Since MS has all our money, one would think they might try learning how to produce better code as that could

guarantee their continued success.

There are coders who do that. Each new version is the less, the same or a little more code than the previous

and it works much better. Much of it is Freeware.

But most Computers users know nothing of this. PC world could and should be writing about this.

Well, we wouldn't want to upset Ms, now would we?

Also, Linux now tests on par with Windows. Some say this is a waste of time, but actually competition is good

and Linux can help in causing MS to produce a better product at a more competitive price.

Economics and marketing tell us that MS can actually make more money if they have tough competition.

Heck! This is even good for magazines too.

So! All this endless testing of defective products and the consequent bad mouthing should be replaced with

positive things.

When someone is on your tail it forces you to do your best.

To date we haven't seen much of that. It's time that changed.

having trouble agreeing with you on this. I have a good computer and vista is sure fast. and i don't mean just by loading. It does what i wanted to do with no hassles and quickly.


The bloatware comes from pc vendors that may not have a brain what they are doing. code is defective on their part. I don't think ms is locking you down. Heck i can even format and use my oem copy. No one is stopping you.









But i will agree that competition is good it keeps the industry on check. Whether be microsoft or apple. One thing i am starting to notice is that these tests are not that reliable because of the fact is they don't tell how how they configured the test. I stop relying on tests and benchmarks. sure it helps to give you an idea but never ever depend on them fully. I have much better performance on a product than what was previous tested on that prodcut.









Its this sole reason i stop paying attention to these test. But one thing i will agree is vista is fast if you have good enough ram for superfetch. It really does work. Don't also forget that vista's superfetch puts the os and its applicattion ahead of time before you get to see the desktop. Only downside is you need more than 1gb maybe 2 or 4.





Otherwise disable it right away as this will really slow your pc down. what superfetch does is it creates a cache file thats is almost like hibernation but works differently. I am not sure how exactly works but i can really tell a difference when it is on.



So normally instead of loading individual processes it just read this cache file and just skimps right through which boosts the loading much quickly. And whats more the most frequent used apps is the first to be cached so when you click on that app it loads that app almost instantly. But again it takes good amount a ram to achieve this. And no its not a running program in the background. Superfetch is much different.



By default superfetch is enabled. so thats the first thing you should check before you do anything else. I hope this feature will be availble in windows 7 because i like it.

[ted1020]

having trouble agreeing with you on this. I have a good computer and vista is sure fast. and i don't mean just by

loading. It does what i wanted to do with no hassles and quickly.
fast as in much better CPU's, but who today would know that 20MHZ 286's ran just as fast on good

code 20 years ago.

The bloatware comes from pc vendors that may not have a brain what they are doing. code is defective on their

part. I don't think ms is locking you down. Heck i can even format and use my oem copy. No one is stopping you.
I was talking about MS bloat, but you are right, most all code written today is bloated. However,

if one looks they can find better code like Irfanview freeware which fits on a 1.44 and does almost anything one

might wish to do with images and media.

But i will agree that competition is good it keeps the industry on check. Whether be microsoft or apple. One

thing i am starting to notice is that these tests are not that reliable because of the fact is they don't tell

how how they configured the test. I stop relying on tests and benchmarks. sure it helps to give you an idea but

never ever depend on them fully. I have much better performance on a product than what was previous tested on

that prodcut. Apple has always been "sole source" and thus over priced. That's why they have so

little of the "pie" today. But this is history and what person today studies that?

But IMHO MS has set computers back 20, maybe 40 years with how it has monopolized. Bill Gates has done what any

of us would do if we could, and it is a free world. I admire him, but a fact is still a fact. He has stimied

progress! You can check this out if you care to, the Internet is better than all the libraries if one cares to

actually study something!

Its this sole reason i stop paying attention to these test. But one thing i will agree is vista is fast if you

have good enough ram for superfetch. It really does work. Don't also forget that vista's superfetch puts the os

and its applicattion ahead of time before you get to see the desktop. Only downside is you need more than 1gb

maybe 2 or 4. Thank you for mentioning superfetch. If code was written right one wouldn't need

superfetch! Superfetch is a "bandaid" and actually 4X's the need for extra speed and memory.

Otherwise disable it right away as this will really slow your pc down. what superfetch does is it creates a cache

file thats is almost like hibernation but works differently. I am not sure how exactly works but i can really

tell a difference when it is on. you said that right. No one else knows exactly how it works either,

that's why we put upp with defective machines and code and tests!

So normally instead of loading individual processes it just read this cache file and just skimps right through

which boosts the loading much quickly. And whats more the most frequent used apps is the first to be cached so

when you click on that app it loads that app almost instantly. But again it takes good amount a ram to achieve

this. And no its not a running program in the background. Superfetch is much different. Carried to

it's logical end, this logic says you can always do more with more. Haven't you noticed Bill Gates says this

every time he talks about MS products. We comply by throwing money at him!

By default superfetch is enabled. so thats the first thing you should check before you do anything else. I hope

this feature will be availble in windows 7 because i like it. Gates didn't invent Superfetch, dog

breeders did. He just appropiated it, as is MS style. Of course, this is just my opinion. Please add yours to

everything I or anyone else has said. It's only thru this type of interaction that we learn and progress. If we

wait for the people who have reached the top, like Gates/MS, we will continue to be slaves. I say we should live

and act like free people, not drones.

So, jump in and add comments, plus or minus. If we act, talk and think like intelligent beings it could have a

positive effect on the entire computer industry to produce better and more reasonably priced

systems/code/whatever. ted1020

[WinTard]

What are people arguing about here?
Vista was well ahead of its time. And couldn't run properly in 1GB RAM. Well nowadays 8 and 12 GB is entry level, for enthusiasts. Vista was designed with 64-bit in mind. XP 64-bit edition failed because of lack of hardware drivers. Vista well, um, is a non issue now since Windows 7. Windows 7 beta became available to anybody for free early January 2009. The release candidate is valid until June 30th 2010. During those 18 months, anyone has the opportunity to try Windows 7 for free! Then people can make up their own minds. But at least with an educated opinion, based on facts and not hearsay. I repeat FOR FREE! Where's the beef?
Additionally, Windows 7 is much more efficient than any prior Windows. Vista included. They've completely re-architected the GDI, making it asynchronous and using twice less memory! Win7 now supports at least 128 cores on a two socket motherboard. Whereas the last Vista supported a maximum of 4 cores. Win7 with a typical contemporary hardware: Quad-core 64-bit processor with 4GB RAM flies and is quicker than greased lightning. Not Vista.
Typically, one can get entry level 8GB quad-core 64-bit system for $399.

Or high-end i7-920 with 12GB 1600MHz DDR3 overclockable to 2000MHz FSB, for $1000.

Even a year ago, these would be out of reach of a normal PC user... So now the time is ripe for a 64-bit hardware upgrade, alongside with an OS that can handle it perfectly: Windows 7 Ultimate x64. Cost? I predict around $200 OEM version. I could be wrong, but that is my honest opinion. And if cost is an objection, well at least try the FREE RC of Windows 7 good till June 30th 2010.
Now where's the beef?
And PCWorld members report the beta working efficiently with as little as 512MB RAM, which is below published requirement specifications for Windows 7.
And it does work better than XP on the same hardware! Don't believe me? Try it for yourself! But don't be lame and prejudiced before you honestly try it.

[waldojim]

I will claim to have tried Vista, and despised it. However, that is due to expierneces with blu-ray that I will not go into here.

Operating Systems sit heavier as the hardware gets faster. That is a fact. You will see the same trend with Linux, BSD, Unix, Mac OS, everything. They are taking advantage of the hardware to give you a better experience. If you don't care about the experience, and just want to play on the internet faster than greased lightning, try Dos on an AMD Athlon XP or newer (not that it matters after... oh about 500Mhz...) I used Dos with Arachne (web browser) Quick View ( to watch movies) DAMP for Mp3 playback, and Word Perfect so I can edit a document or two. None of these need more than a second or two to load. They all are EXTREMELY quick, and use little to no resources.

There problem solved. lightweight, quick, does the job, and I will bet 100 to one you never get a virus.

[bbvammy]

I don't have $399 ]:)

[WinTard]

Then you can't complain! Stay with Ubuntu. Since I run both (actually most of the Linuxes and Windows) I can state that Ubuntu or for that matter, any Linux, isn't in the same class as Windows 7. Sorry, too bad, soo sad. But hey, what you don't know can't hurt you right?

Oh you know you can boot any Linux under Windows, right?

~~~~~~~~~
When you have given nothing, ask for nothing.
{Albanian Proverb}

[WinTard]

Hello waldojim.

I can confirm Blu-Ray works perfectly under Vista x64. I'm watching Final Fantasy in full glory (bluray) as we speak! Even protecting from the infamous Sony Rootkit Scandal.

Hey, whatever works. ;)

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Hey Aurora, also for the record it was not a post of the actual software (which cannot be done here anyway), it was a link to a google search discussing the name of the software.

Message was edited by: AuroraDizon - Please do not post software that violates US copyright law.

[smax013]

WinTard said:

Then you can't complain!

Anyone can complain...it ain't called Free Speech for nothing.

Now, whether or not the complaints have any "merit" migth be a whole other matter.

[waldojim]

I did not realize that software viol;ates US laws... but not the point

Actually, it was a matter of the software that came with the player not working correctly. That software would fail about 1 in 3 to 4 tries. And when it failed, it would take out Vista, Mostly (I think) because of the DRM. It is so intricately intwined into vista to make SONY happy, that while it pokes around in there, it has the potential to harm the running kernel.

On the DRM note itself, that has caused problems. IF I disconnect my LCD TV from the HDMI without taking the time to disable it in the ATI controll panel, then Vista will keep trying to get a content lock on that display, and since it isn't there, it is considered comprimised... thus disabling Blu-Ray playback.

I have not tested this in 7 yet, but hope to do so this weekend.

[WinTard]

Neither did I? I thought it may have violated new German laws as per Google? But whatever. For the record: I didn't use it to violate anything. I used it so I can view Zone 2 (French) movies bought at amazon.fr and unavailable at (amazon.com) in North America which is zone 1. And I've got all the bills and original DVD's to prove it. LOL! Geez, this North American society is getting more and more fascist by the day ?!!!

[smax013]

WinTard said:

Neither did I? I thought it may have violated new German laws as per Google? But whatever. For the record: I didn't use it to violate anything. I used it so I can view Zone 2 (French) movies bought at amazon.fr and unavailable at (amazon.com) in North America which is zone 1. And I've got all the bills and original DVD's to prove it. LOL! Geez, this North American society is getting more and more fascist by the day ?!!!

It is related to the DMCA in the US. At the moment, ANY circumvention of copy protection is a violation of the DMCA (there may be some limited exceptions, but I am not currently aware of them). And in order to play a different region code DVD, you either need to adjust your region code in your DVD player software (which many programs allow a certain number of times before it "locks" into place) or you need something that bypasses the CSS so that you can bypass the region code. Thus, while you might be using this for a perfectly acceptable reason (i.e. to watch a movie that you legally bought), it does not matter if it strips the CSS copy protection.

I will note that it is still not fully known if the DMCA provisions "over rule" your copyright Fair Use exceptions/rights. In generally, it is perfectly legal to copy a CD or DVD or software install disk for the purposes of backing it up. However, in the case of a DVD, in order to excercise your Fair Use rights to make a backup, you have to circumvent the copy protection, which would be a violation of the DMCA. The end result is that there is a conflict between the two laws, which won't be resolved until a court system hears and decides a case on it. In the mean time, the PCWorld staff has ruled that discussing such removing of copy protection for DVDs (i.e. ripping DVDs) will not be permitted on the forums until they get word otherwise from their legal counsel.

Regardless, the real issue is that fact the AnyDVD removes the copy protection. From their own site:

"AnyDVD works in the background to automatically remove the copy protection of a DVD movie as soon as it's inserted into the drive, allowing you then to backup the movie using a DVD backup tool such as CloneDVD and CloneDVD mobile."

This would currently be construed as illegal in the US under the DMCA. Thus, linking to it is against the rules of the PCWorld forum.

And we would request that you don't try to "get around" such forum rules by posting links to Google search that find such products. This is a privately owned website and as such, THEY get to make the rules as THEY (as in PCWorld) would be the ones sued if someone wanted to do so. When you created your account and started posting, you agreed to abide by the rules of the Community, so we ask that you do so.

FWIW, if you wish to discuss such activity, there are plenty of other sites that are willing to risk the potential for being sued, so it is not like you cannot discuss it at all...just not here.