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68 Replies Last post: Jun 3, 2008 2:21 PM by AdrielK   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 5 Previous Next
Click to view o0splitpaw0o's profile New Member 1 posts since
Feb 29, 2008
15. Feb 29, 2008 4:02 AM in response to: PCWorld
$200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
Couldn't run would bench 6? That seems to be a world bench 6 problem since obviously it isn't cross platform. Time to stop waisting the cash.Why isn't world bench 6 not a bootable CD function. Wow what junk.
Click to view mehensley123's profile New Member 1 posts since
Feb 29, 2008
16. Feb 29, 2008 7:15 AM in response to: PCWorld
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
If you want windows, buy a pc with windows or build your own. As far as general users using linux, well why are retailers selling it? H'mm curious I wonder why Asus is selling so many ee notebooks.
Click to view conreyt's profile New Member 1 posts since
Feb 29, 2008
17. Feb 29, 2008 7:35 AM in response to: PCWorld
$200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
The error of this review is astounding. Cheap hardware, check. Got it. Now to the OS. Windows works one way, linux works another way. Why is this news? If my measure of how easy my linux box is to use is windows, of course it's going to fail.

Homage to google? These are what we call usable FREE applications. Apps that don't require a subscription. Does the reviewer call bloatware preinstalled on windows boxes from the big box retailers homage as well?

The author, alludes to being computer literate, complaining that linux is too hard because it doesn't look enough and act enough like windows. That's phooy.

What he fails to realize is that not being windows is a GOOD thing.

For the record, my parents, grandparents, and spouse all run linux, because someone set it up for them, If I'd have set up windows for them, that's what they'd use. But for the last two years they've had zero viruses, zero spyware.

And THAT is what people who don't understand security need.
Click to view CDBaric's profile New Member 2 posts since
Mar 1, 2008
18. Mar 1, 2008 9:42 AM in response to: PCWorld
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
The review was acceptable as far as the criticisms of the hardware goes - there were some issues that needed addressing.

The problem is with the unmerited slamming of Linux as the included OS.

I would like to ask the author when was the last time he tried to install Windows, either XP or Vista, on contemporary hardware? What did he do when he came up short a few drivers?

Here is the truth - The latest Ubuntu distros will install without ever requiring a driver hunt - this is especially true compared to VISTA where much contemporary hardware is NOT supported and may NEVER be supported, not to mention the horrible BLOAT and INEFFICIENCY.

Here you can get a reasonably fast, feature rich desktop (browser, email client, instant messaging, full office, multimedia) machine for $200 and the author wants to whine about all the Windows programs he can't buy and install.

GIVE ME A BREAK!

That is why the story got a thumbs down from me - TOTAL RUBBISH!

CD Baric
Click to view rtfire1's profile Member 473 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
19. Mar 1, 2008 11:24 AM in response to: CDBaric
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
with the programs that are out there I can run my moms win 98 programs that will not run on xp 200 buck is a great buy. is microsoft paying for this bad review
Click to view reddish's profile New Member 1 posts since
Mar 1, 2008
20. Mar 1, 2008 6:38 PM in response to: PCWorld
$200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
I believe that the article is misleading. Those systems are plenty good for non experts and they will allow users to do what they want, as long as they don't assume that they are working with windows (like the reviewer did). In normal use it is not required to use a command line at all, unless you choose to.
Click to view handydan918's profile New Member 3 posts since
Oct 3, 2007
21. Mar 6, 2008 6:10 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain

I don't know what kind of review anyone expected from a rag that gets 99% of it's revenue from the WinTel cartel. Just look through the ads and see...

This is just what I'd expect from shills who have never spent a month away from their Windows (in-)security blanket. All that was missing is the "Brought to you by Microsoft" emblem.

Click to view AdrielK's profile New Member 12 posts since
Jan 26, 2008
22. Mar 7, 2008 7:41 AM in response to: PCWorld
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
On 3/3/08 I received my Mirus MIRLC420V(ordered via Sears.com on 2/28/08). Its Model No. is similar to the one you tested and evaluated,namely SITLC420. That same day my copy of PCWorld arrived at my home. On 3/4/08 I unpacked the carton, relaxed, and thumbed thru PCWorld Mag. Needless to say, I was shaken re the apparent folly of my purchase. But upon closer reading of your article, Mr. Stafford, I concluded all sorts of discrepancies and biases needed to be addressed. As one who put his money where his mouth is, I feel justified in my rebuttal.

First of all, just because I shop at Sears, etc doesn't mean I necessarily operate on a tight budget. I used Sears as a weathervane to corroboratet that an inexpensive Linux Desktop is commercially viable in a venue that will permit me to surf, eMail and play Solitaire, etc as befitting my senior/retired status. Sears, I'm confident, will subsequently give me leverage should there be rebate problems.

To me, the computer is a tool similar to Sears Craftsman tools that also afford good value. Sears "sales blurb hype" suggested that Freespire/Mirus offers such a value. I'll report on this the future as I slowly progress.

In the meantime I'd like to comment on your comments. Mirus did come with a Manual, unfortunately it was a User Guide for the ASUS Motherboard P5GC-MX/1333. Based on my reading of this same manual, while marginally useful to my info needs, it did describe the quality features of the MotherBoard: product highlights such as- ASUS CrashFree BIOS 2; ASUS EZ Flash, ASUS Q-Fan Technology plus more. Most of which I technically didn't really appreciate but sure sounded suspiciously like I'm paying "Fair Prices for Superior products. Keyboard, Mouse and Speakers is a subjective/relative issue; your verdict should not be held as gospel.

Some one else mentioned cumbersome, a non-technical, subjective label signifying, nothing and of NO help to me in evaluating the product, whether you meant hardware, Linux OS or both.

My Sears rebate offer states "allow 8-10 weeks" not your reported 3-4 months. I'm mailing mine in today 3-7-08, I'll report back on my rebate's receipt.. If there should be a problem, I'm sure that I, as a valued SEARS customer will be ok..

Incidentally, one other reason I went with this purchase was to finally abandon my corrupted WinME PC (and its lack of support) so I may use its VGA monitor to complete the FreeSpire/Mirus package. Right now I Ethernet cabled the Mirus to my NetGear Router RT314 and am gaining the courage to see just what I really have as soon as I log on to my cable ISP.

Should I get into trouble, I'll call the 877 toll free number referenced on my packing slip (and also stickered on my desktop's case, despite your assertion that no such support exists for Mirus. I tried calling it last evening, waited 3 minutes for a tech's voice in response. I had also tried earlier that morningduring prime-time but gave up after an hour and ten minutes. The latter, incidentally, is my average chat waiting time when seeking support from my Win-XP's Anti-Virus Security provider, using off-shore techs.

Finally, I surmise you "discouraged" cheap, Linux OS PCs since wanderers such as I, would no longer lean on PCWorld for a constant barrage of "fixes", help, etc. thus reducing my time perusing "Windows"-related ads,etc.

This is my first posting ever to a PC computer-related Forum and I don't know if my snail-paced follow-up postings will be possible and/or of value. I guess time will tell.

With hopeful optimism I'll be usung my Freespire/Mirus to access this site and make my reports. Some one please advise me if I'm taking all this too seriously and I'll crawl back into my shell.
Click to view CDBaric's profile New Member 2 posts since
Mar 1, 2008
23. Mar 7, 2008 11:18 AM in response to: AdrielK
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
"With hopeful optimism I'll be usung my Freespire/Mirus to access this site and make my reports. Some one please advise me if I'm taking all this too seriously and I'll crawl back into my shell."

Well done - please enjoy the experience.

As for the author, I think you hit the nail on the head when you stated, "I surmise you "discouraged" cheap, Linux OS PCs since wanderers such as I, would no longer lean on PCWorld for a constant barrage of "fixes", help, etc. thus reducing my time perusing "Windows" -related ads, etc."

Boy, did you get that right!

Best regards,

Bar
Click to view pcwsk4's profile New Member 35 posts since
Jun 30, 2007
24. Mar 7, 2008 5:59 PM in response to: PCWorld
$200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
The fact that manufacturers cannot build a great linux machine for cheap is ridiculous. Look at the lime-green laptop; 200 bucks for a laptop! Desktops should cost a fraction of laptops.
Click to view uburu's profile New Member 7 posts since
Mar 11, 2008
25. Mar 11, 2008 1:55 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain

While the hardware on these may not be anything great, to say that Linux isn't for average users is to truly not understand Linux or average users. The sad truth is that the vast majority of computer users have very little understanding of what they are doing. Fortunately, a good Linux distribution is actually easier to use than windows (not installing but using - most people don't install windows either). I think the people that would be interested in a cheap computer are precisely the people that would be looking for something very basic. They don't need vista and they don't need the expense associated with it. You may need to relearn some things but, hey, that's life. If you drove a car all your life and then bought a motorcycle you wouldn't expect to be off and riding the same day.

Now, if you consider yourself a windows power user (which in many circles is a derogatory word describing someone who thinks they know more than they do) you will not enjoy Linux. Linux is not windows and works very differently. If you try and do things the windows way you will fail. That is not the fault of Linux. You simply need to accept the fact that being windows savvy is not equal to being computer savvy. Chances are you spent years learning your way around windows. You can't expect to learn Linux in just weeks or even months. I switched two years ago and am still learning, but I can do everything I need to do and more.

Click to view uburu's profile New Member 7 posts since
Mar 11, 2008
26. Mar 11, 2008 2:00 PM in response to: Kilme
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
If your hardware maker doesn't support Linux then blame the hardware maker. Linux supports tons of hardware but it can never support everything if the manufactures don't cooperate. Most of the world is slowly seeing the benefits of and moving towards Linux. If the US doesn't keep up it will be passed up.
Click to view Kiaya83's profile New Member 2 posts since
Mar 11, 2008
27. Mar 11, 2008 3:27 PM in response to: PCWorld
$200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
Amazing, I just got done reading "Yes, my grandma can run Ubuntu Linux" over at CNET and now I am reading that "If you aren't a die-hard Linux fan, these PCs aren't for you"!

You need to separate the computer hardware from the Operating System. Sure, I believe the computer hardware is cheap and of poor quality but I assure you the Linux Operating Systems are not. I use gOS on one of my home machines and find it very simple and relatively mindless to use....you see a Firefox logo on the tool bar, you press it and it launches Firefox. I don't think you need to be a "die-hard Linux fan" to figure that out.

What an ignorant article from a PC magazine. Get yourself more educated on the world and the distributions of Linux before you write an article trying to bash it
Click to view musashi's profile New Member 1 posts since
Mar 11, 2008
28. Mar 11, 2008 3:58 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain

How can you claim a $200 computer isn't
a bargain? If you can get online, send email, shop eBay, write a
letter to grandma, etc, then it's totally a bargain. To expect more
for this price is really naive. And to complain about the low quality
parts is ridiculous. Of course it has cheap components - that's why
it's cheap.

As for the Linux OS, I don't think Mr.
Stafford is a qualified and unbiased reviewer. He clearly knows
little about modern Linux distributions. For example, you don't need
to the command line to run Linux - to admin it, maybe; to install it,
maybe; to use it, decidedly NO. Come on, quit shilling for MS and
admit that Linux is a serious contender. It's not perfect, yet, but
it's certainly worth serious consideration. (Full Disclosure - This
review was written entirely on a Linux box that purrs like a kitten.)

Click to view chipbennett's profile Member 166 posts since
Oct 5, 2007
29. Mar 12, 2008 10:06 AM in response to: PCWorld
Re: $200 Linux Desktop Systems Are No Bargain
I'm glad to see that the user community won't let this "review" fade away.

One thing not mentioned in my original comment: the author made no mention of trying to install or run a Windows OS on either machine. It would be salient, and probably interesting, to know whether or not these machines can even run WinXP, much less how well they perform thusly.

@kilme: In my brief experience with Linux (Ubuntu/Kubuntu), doing normal, every-day tasks is indeed easier. For that matter, installing new software is much easier. Granted, one will have to be shown how to click on "Add/Remove Programs" (basic, easy) and/or "Synaptic Package Manager" (slightly more advanced) - but, once shown such methods, their ease compared with software installation under Windows becomes immediately apparent.

For that matter, what more do "average" computer users do on a computer? Email, internet browsing, instant-messaging, and occasional (or, more-than-occasional, for students) document creation/editing comprise the vast majority of screen time for the "average" computer user. (Of course, I am speaking from my own anecdotal experience with immediate/extended family, friends, etc.).

I have been using OpenOffice.org, KDE-PIM, Amarok, Pidgin, kAudioCreator, kFlickr, etc. in lieu of these apps' Windows analogs - and in my experience, they are as easy (or easier) to use (and in may cases, better). I do not believe the learning curve of these apps for the "average" computer user would be very steep at all.

Most such "average" computer users don't spend their time needing (or wanting) to install new software. Yes, some hardware installation needs will come up from time to time (new camera, MP3 player, etc.) - but most of these types of hardware work just fine "out of the box" in Linux (again, in my experience).

Downloading photos from my camera, organizing them, and uploading to Flickr? Eaiser under Kubuntu than under WinXP. PIM needs (email, contacts, calendar)? As good or better and easier with KDE-PIM than Outlook under WinXP. (And Thunderbird/Lightning is also available with its cross-platform goodness.) Instant messaging (using several protocols)? Seamless, using the cross-platform Pidgin. Ripping and organizing my CD collection, and transferring songs to my MP3 player? Simple, faster, and better using kAudioCreator and Amarok than using WMP in WinXP. And anyone familiar with MS Office (any version pre-2007) will have no problems whatsoever getting comfortable and becoming productive with OpenOffice.org.

As for hardware - sure, some hardware does cause issues; that said, blame the manufacturers, not Linux. Yeah, I had to use ndiswrapper to get my wi-fi working in Ubuntu 7.04 - but, again, that's the hardware manufacturer's fault.

And, again, the bottom line: these $200 linux machines are available for less than the cost of a Microsoft OS - much less the cost of the hardware required to run that OS.


Dell*buntu Inspiron 1420n, running Kubuntu 8.04

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