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7 Replies Last post: Apr 23, 2008 11:30 PM by Evildave  
Click to view bazbaker's profile New Member 3 posts since
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Apr 21, 2008 1:45 AM

Ubuntu Versus Windows - Which is Better

Hi,

me being a bit of a geek ,although I have degree in Electronic Engineering, and built my own P.C.'s,

have finally decided that Microsoft is a waste of time ,not that I have ever paid " bill" 1c. for it.

He started by plageurising other peoples work and calling it his own ,and copyrighted it too!!

I applaud all the open-source community for there perseverance, and wish that Steve would help

to increase awareness of the alternatives to Windows & Mac.

He should take time to think ,why you need to clean the registry and forever scan for adware or bugs,

I think this is because Windows is so bloated and unfit that it is an easy target.

any comments?

Baz

running with Ubuntu 7.10

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Click to view mphenterprises's profile Member Moderators 9,119 posts since
Feb 19, 2007
1. Apr 21, 2008 2:13 AM in response to: bazbaker
Re: Ubuntu Versus Windows - Which is Better
Hi BazBaker and welcome to the PCWorld Communities. :D

First some housekeeping...I moved this Discussion from the PCWorld Website Community into the Answer Line Community. Also, I have changed your Discussion title to give a clearer indication of your question. For future reference, please be as descriptive as possible in both the heading of your Discussion as well as the post itself.

Now, after reading your post, I do not see any comparison you make between Ubuntu and Windows. I see a reference to Open-Source but nothing specifically geared towards Ubuntu. You also reference Steve who I presume is Steve Jobs; however Steve Jobs is the CEO of Mac. To get some clarification, what specifically about Ubuntu do you feel is better than Windows?


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Click to view jpelser's profile New Member 37 posts since
Feb 8, 2008
3. Apr 21, 2008 3:52 AM in response to: bazbaker
Re: Ubuntu Versus Windows - Which is Better

Well bazbaker maybe I can help, being an avid users of both operating systems. I work in IT and primarily with Active Directory Windows Server based domains. Two of the blade server we have in house are running Ubuntu 7.1 as a host for two VM Windows 2003 servers. This is however by no means the normal way we would go about setting things up, however it is a stable solution. I would imagen this set up will be on the way out, since Server 2008 can be installed without a GUI and even with a GUI makes a fine VM host. It is not so much that my employer does not like Ubuntu it's just the lack of support. Don't get me wrong the open source comunity is great, heck I personally love Ubuntu. The problem is that if a Windows system goes down the amount of support available is far greater than that of any free open source solution. Now the software available from an Ubuntu install right out of the box is great. You can run all of your Office applications without Office. Once again in a domain environment you will not get the same functionality out of things like Outlook. Even this problem can be worked around by installing Wine on Linux. The only problem with this is Wine will not support newer releases of software and to tell you the truth if you have used Windows all of your life it does take some getting used to installing packages with Linux, even with a package applicaiton. Really to sum up your question, yes at time Microsoft can be a thorn in the side but to tell you the truth every software solution OS or other wise is going to have its problems and for the most part Microsoft offers some really aiming products. What's more with a little know how you can make Windows systems do anything a Linux system can. A good example of this is www.dnsstuff.com their whole system is Windows based and to say what their site can do is mind blowing is an understatement.

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The system I am typing this post to you on has both XP and Ubuntu installed as a dual boot and this message was brought to you by XP.

Click to view techie4fun's profile Old Hand 2,030 posts since
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4. Apr 22, 2008 5:16 PM in response to: bazbaker
Re: Ubuntu Versus Windows - Which is Better
Personal opinion, really. What do you like most in an Operating System? Everybody varies.
Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 468 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
5. Apr 22, 2008 10:45 PM in response to: techie4fun
Re: Ubuntu Versus Windows - Which is Better
I'm running Ubuntu 7.10 on a machine that shipped with Vista on it. My alternate boot is also Ubuntu 7.10. Vista finally sucked enough. Windows 95 was sort of like Star Wars, and Microsoft sort of followed George Lucas' example of making their products ever more retarded, adding Ewoks (dancing paperclips) and crap until they came up with Windows 'Jar Jar' Vista. Where can they go from here besides up? Well, there's still plenty of down left on your way to hell, and I have every confidence in mindless corporate PHBs to ride the momentum whichever way it's going..

Of course, Ubuntu has over a hundred rea$on$ to be better than Windows. It costs ABOLUTELY NOTHING to download and install and use forever. Free as in FREE BEER. Not the typical 'free' crap like you get bundled with a Windows machine that doesn't work unless you pay money. Just FREE. You want to take it and install it on a hundred machines? Have fun. Nobody will compare you to a murderous terrorist who takes water craft by force for doing it.

Ubuntu does have that pretty Compiz thing under Gnome, which makes the Vista desktop look like crap. Well, actually the Vista desktop already looked like warmed over crap on its own. It's always nice to have something tons better to compare against it, or in my case not to have to compare it, because I just don't run Windows anymore.

As for 'support', Windows has all the support you can PAY FOR. If you can operate google and have faith that you're not the only person ever to have the problem you're having, you will find help for anything, including Windows, for FREE. Sure, you can pay by the minute to have some guy in Pakistan read a checklist at you or your employees, wasting everybody's time, or you can teach your people to proactively solve their own damned problems by checking to see if it's happened before to someone else first. Almost 100% of the time, it has.
Click to view jpelser's profile New Member 37 posts since
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6. Apr 23, 2008 8:42 PM in response to: Evildave
Re: Ubuntu Versus Windows - Which is Better

Evildave, your right. The only problem I see is that if you say "Ubuntu is better." You are being short sited. Yes it's free and yes it is an awesome stable operating system that looks great. As for support for Windows costing money, well thank goodness it does because I would not have a job that I love if it was free. If you are a home user or at least someone that does not have to use Windows only software than great. It's just that the IT world does not run on home users it runs on busses. Now if you own a company and something goes very wrong with your server what are you going to do. Your IT staff has been over every possible solution and your server is still down. Now since your server has gone down let's say that you started lousing $2,000 a hour. Trust me that is by no means an out of the question amount in fact it could be a lot more. If you are in that situation haveing the possibility of calling Microsoft and haveing a tech from Microsoft all the way up to an Architect able to login and fix your server is invaluable and ultimately you save money. I guess the way I am looking at the question is what makes the operating system better and for me it has a lot less to do with how much I like to use it as it does what can ultimately be done with it. I am not saying you can't run a busness totaly Windows free, however difficult that might be. I am just saying that you can't do it for free. There is no way to run a busness of a hundred or so people that all use computers for no money and as for haveing people fix their own problems, heheheheheh, lol. I don't know your skill set Evildave but even without knowing it I can tell you that your knowledge of computers is far and away higher than a large majority of busness end users.(if not all of them) The way that I know this is, I am sure that you know what the word driver means, I would be willing to bet that if you logged in to a Windows PC everyday for 5 years and I asked you what your user name was you would not say, "I don't have one." I would even go so far as to say that if I asked you ware do you store your images on this computer that you would not say, "oh there in Kodak Easy Share." So anyway I guess what I am trying to say is that your savvy I am sure that you can build a computer, that you know what all the parts are, ware they are and what they do and this stuff is no doubt easy for you. That is just not true of the rest of the world and if it was not for Windows those people would have to learn how to use computers for real and to tell you the truth I am not sure that they can learn. I am not saying that your tyipical end user is stupid. My mom is one of these people, they all need Windows even though they have no idea what windows is. Me: What version of Windows are you using? User:"I am not useing Windows." He was using XP, no joke.
Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 468 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
7. Apr 23, 2008 11:30 PM in response to: jpelser
Re: Ubuntu Versus Windows - Which is Better
The same kind of support you describe could be had buying your server from Sun or IBM, and that won't by in large be a Microsoft solution they sell.

You can have both the OS and hardware supported, and probably the major applications as well. If you just happen to have a Microsoft, Redhat, etc. OS installed on a randomly configured server, software-only support will be of limited help, especially when the tech on the other end dismisses it as 'hardware', and when you call the hardware supplier, they dismiss it as 'software', which is right where you find yourself as a typical Microsoft user.

I'd rather lease some virtual server space and then maybe some dedicated server space when the load gets big enough and only have to worry about my own little virtual environment. If I have that environment copied to another server and it works, it's the server. If it's still broken the same way, it's my virtual environment. Time to upload the backup. I over-simplify a bit, as databases that I connect to can be scrambled, and overwriting can lose records, etc., but what's the point in quibbling over details in a forum pissing contest? Let the guys at the big server farm have a stroke over the hardware or network problems. They have the techs on the spot to press the reset button and pretend it's all better.

All in all, for a server I'd rather have a severely stripped down Linux than a Windows OS with gods-only-know what ports secretly listening in its internals. I have zero trust for 'closed source' black box software.

I'm programmer, technician, and sole proprietor. When I take something apart, it usually works when I put it back together. I'm personally more likely to fix it quickly on my end than some random guy in India, Pakistan or the Phillipines with a checklist and an accent thick enough to cut talking over a long distance connection. If I'm going to put up a server, there's just NO WAY I'll set up a physical machine of my own at home or an office somewhere. I've been down that path before, and down that path lies madness. Whatever I do, someone else will carry that pager. NOT ME.

Anyways, since we're mostly talking about PC machines, not servers for comparison, yeah, Ubuntu is tons better than a Windows.

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