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Click to view random750's profile New Member 11 posts since
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45. Apr 29, 2008 8:56 AM in response to: finebldr
Re: Microsoft Windows Vista: What PC Buyers Choose
Ive read that 64 bit versions of Vista run very well if you have 8 gigs of RAM. I wonder if the problem with Vista is that it really needs to run as a 64 bit system with a lot of Ram to work well.

Ive read several people say they duel boot Windows XP and Windows Vista. Why boot two different versions of Windows. If your willing to go through the bother of duel booting, why not use Linux. I duel boot between XP and Ubuntu. I do like XP better because there are more applications and games that run on XP but Ubuntu has some advantages you do not get in Windows. The latest version of Ubuntu came out this week and you can download it free. It comes with Firefox, Open Office and a dozen or more applications already installed.

Many people have an old computer that no longer boots up due to software issues. Most of those would run linux like a brand new machine. I think people who are not advanced users should think twice before installing linux on their only computer because if you run into problems it could be a pain in the butt. Anybody who is advanced enough to set up a Windows duel boot can as easily run Windows/Linux and get the best of both worlds.
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46. Apr 29, 2008 8:52 AM in response to: random750
Re: Microsoft Windows Vista: What PC Buyers Choose

random750 wrote:Ive read that 64 bit versions of Vista run very well if you have 8 gigs of RAM. I wonder if the problem with Vista is that it really needs to run as a 64 bit system with a lot of Ram to work well.
can you give a reference as to where you have read that. Though i m using a 32-bit version , but i an damn sure that a 64-bit version will outperform a 32-bit vista on a 2gig ram machine also. (given there are no driver issues) , forget about 8 gb.


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Click to view mphenterprises's profile Member Moderators 9,117 posts since
Feb 19, 2007
47. Apr 29, 2008 9:08 AM in response to: random750
Re: Microsoft Windows Vista: What PC Buyers Choose
random750 wrote:

Ive read several people say they duel boot Windows XP and Windows Vista. Why boot two different versions of Windows. If your willing to go through the
bother of duel booting, why not use Linux.


Hi Random. I am one of those people who have Dual Boot Systems. I have both Windows XP and Windows Vista installed on my main computer. The specifications are listed within my signature. Now, I did try Linux and, at the time, I wasn't too impressed. I am fortunate enough to have an insane amount of storage space so I will, eventually, install Linux (Ubuntu) as a third Operating System.

Why you ask? Well, there are several reasons. The main reason is professional. I have clients who use all three systems and I need to be as proficient as possible within each of them. Second, my own personal use. I am like a sponge. I love knowledge and the more information I can acquire the better. Finally, sheer pride. :D Just the fact that I can say, " I have three Operating Systems installed on my computer." is a cool thing to say, don't you think?


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Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 468 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
48. Apr 29, 2008 10:57 AM in response to: mphenterprises
Re: Microsoft Windows Vista: What PC Buyers Choose
I gots four OSs installed. Two versions of Ubuntu, XP and 2000. :) The last two are virtual machines.

I can't recommend virtual machine software enough. Just boot with your most stable OS and run the rest as virtual machines. VirtualBox is free, and it works just fine. No getting a coffee (in another state) while you shrink/move partitions. No fuss, no muss.

The BIG thing it does for you is these virtual machines can go anywhere. Just copy the files and configurations to the next machine, and all that software 'just works' on the other machine. You can put them all on one partition and boot Windows or Linux and run the virtual machines on either. Both native OSs can have the same shares to the virtual machines, too. It's a great way to keep certain software 'always available' however you boot, and cuts setup time when you do install or re-install an OS way down, as lots of your software is preconfigured. Install OS, then the VM, then copy the drive images & settings, and you're pretty much ready to go.

If you have hella-lotsa storage and RAM, virtual machines are for you.
Click to view mphenterprises's profile Member Moderators 9,117 posts since
Feb 19, 2007
49. Apr 29, 2008 11:11 AM in response to: Evildave
Re: Microsoft Windows Vista: What PC Buyers Choose
Hi Evil. Yes, I am definitely a proponent of Virtual Machines. I originally used VMWare when testing Ubuntu. Since I still have my original version of VMWare, I will initially install Ubuntu back under that and, maybe later if I feel like it, might switch to a fully Tri-Boot System with Ubuntu under its own partition. I have a total of 3TB (Terabytes) of hard drive space so I am good in that area for a long time.

If I can bring this full circle, the main point that both EvilDave and I have made is this: the informed consumer can make any choice he or she chooses. Whether he or she wants to buy a system with Vista, upgrade to Vista, downgrade from Vista, or create a multiple boot system with different Operating Systems, the choice is solely on the consumer.


This is my personal Dream PC: http://forums.pcworld.com/blogs/mphenterprises/2007/12/21/my-gift-to-myself
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Oct 22, 2006
50. Apr 29, 2008 11:47 AM in response to: mphenterprises
Re: Microsoft Windows Vista: What PC Buyers Choose
As I have said previously, I tried Ubuntu 7.10, thinking it would be a good install for my older laptop which won't support Vista with its integrated ATI 9000/9100 chip. After stuggling with the wireless for several hours, I discovered that the Broadcom wireless chip in my laptop isn't supported by Linux. I then tried it on my desktop since it's connected to the internet by ethernet, and that worked, but it couldn't see the structure and files on my NAS which was set up for Windows. So, the only thing I could do with it was access the internet.

Not having the time to fool with it, and since I had functional Vista and XP on that machine, to answer a problem a member had with W2K, I reformatted and installed W2K on that drive. Later this year, after I retire and have more time, I may give it another shot.


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Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 468 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
51. Apr 29, 2008 1:17 PM in response to: rgreen4
Re: Microsoft Windows Vista: What PC Buyers Choose
Yeah, the under-supported and undocumented 'proprietary' wireless drivers are a problem in Linux.

To solve the wireless issue, you can boot the live CD, then open a shell and type 'lspci'. That'll tell you what the wireless device is. Then you can use that as a search term for google.

In my case that's: 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)

So take that model number and type it into a search engine along with 'Ubuntu', and usually you'll find a few articles that address it. Sometimes adding 'HOWTO' to a search narrows it down, but often doesn't turn up any results. If you find hundreds of articles complaining of the problem, usually someone has solved it and posted how.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ubuntu+BCM432

And after a certain amount of groping, comes up with an article like this...
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092

Under 7.10, it had to be a specific version of ndiswrapper that needed to be downloaded and built, and Dell's version of the Windows driver to make it work.

There were also sound problems in 7.10, and under 7.04, the bluetooth wasn't recognized, either.

When I installed the 64 bit 8.04 version, there were no sound issues and the ndiswrapper that was installed worked just fine with the Dell driver. There were some fresh new sound driver issues in the 32 bit version though. Anyways, under both versions I was able to install the 'Windows Wireless Drivers' tool, then tell it to use the .bcmwl5.inf file, and it worked immediately.

So on the plus side, it gets easier every time, but it would've been MUCH easier if I had been more selective about the PC hardware I bought in the first place. Better research into Linux hardware support compatibility ahead of time would've avoided all of the issues completely. Of course, what I actually did was buy a Windows machine, got Vista, and decided not to run Windows anymore. For a long, long time I'd been developing for Linux under virtual machines. When faced with Vista, and the breakage of ALL of the native Microsoft development tools I had paid lots of money for, Linux seemed a lot more easy and familiar.

Anyways, a virtual machine is the easiest way to 'try' Linux and even run old OS versions for support. It's really easy to keep VMs around dating back to the 90's, whereas those older OSs usually don't work well with the new native hardware. For instance, it's interesting to boot Win98 and have a live wireless connection working for it. To Win98 it looks like a wired connection.

Ubuntu 8.04 will even install into a file on a Windows partition with Wubi, and you can use Windows Add/Remove to uninstall it if it still doesn't work the way you like.
Click to view mdembski's profile New Member 4 posts since
Apr 25, 2007
52. Jun 3, 2008 1:18 PM in response to: aweysham
Re: Microsoft Windows Vista: What PC Buyers Choose
6 months of troubleshooting?? If my new PC does not do 90% of the functions correctly in the first week, it gets returned as defective. There is no reason to put up with this. If consumers don't make it clear they need a PC that works, the vendors have no reason to deliver.

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