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May 9, 2008 7:31 AM

Apple Slammed on Climate Change

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Click to view CarsonG's profile New Member 3 posts since
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1. May 9, 2008 9:13 AM in response to: PCWorld
Apple Slammed on Climate Change
So Apple scored poorly on a self-scoring test. Read that article again a little more closely, folks.
"Scores were assessed on the basis of what targets each company had declared for its emissions reductions efforts, ...."

In other words, the companies were given a set of parameters and told to score themselves on each area. So what does that mean?

Most likely it means this: IBM, Canon and Toshiba lied. Apple either didn't care, was very self-effacing, has a low self esteem when it comes to how "green" they are, or didn't answer all of the questions on the test.

Any way you look at it, this was a waste of time, and borders on media sensationalism for no apparent reason.
Click to view Otiose321's profile New Member 2 posts since
May 9, 2008
2. May 9, 2008 10:56 AM in response to: PCWorld
Apple Slammed on Climate Change
What are you talking about?

You applenuts need to learn to be a little critical of the company you love so much. Otherwise, you'll just let them get away with things... as you are with this case.

If you didn't notice, there's a key mention of "transparency" in there. Apple scoring 11/100 is sad.

Sure, love their products. You're okay to do that. But don't let your love of their products cloud your judgement to other important world factors.

This comes as little surprise to me though. Steve Jobs is somewhat notorious for being a wealthy man who donates very little to charities to help people, compared to others in his wealth range. Why would he consider helping trees, when he doesn't consider helping people? (I make no comment about which should take precedence)

Apple/Steve Jobs are not infallible, divine beings. They make mistakes.
Click to view CarsonG's profile New Member 3 posts since
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3. May 9, 2008 11:12 AM in response to: Otiose321
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Did you even read the article and then read what I posted? I would say not. I never said anything at all about Apple's due diligence to be green. I was questioning the methodolgy of the study itself. If you had read what I posted you would even notice that I slammed Apple on their most likely response to the survey. If all your going to do is see the word "Apple" and then spew a littany of your own personal problems and attacks against something you very apparently hate then take it offline. I was trying to make an objective post about the article itself.
Click to view huttarl's profile New Member 3 posts since
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4. May 9, 2008 11:32 AM in response to: PCWorld
Apple Slammed on Climate Change
Notice from the press release that some points are awarded for "whether they support or oppose global warming legislation". This is a very different proposition from merely being careful about one's own environmental impact. Rather, it's a political litmus test.
Many people, including some prominent climatologists, are concerned about the planet's climate and our impact on it but see global-warming legislation as too much cost with too little benefit based on too little scientific evidence.
ClimateCounts.org does a good job of implying public "interest" about their scorecard, but their scores should be taken as reflecting CC's agenda. A more useful scorecard would simply show what the company's current impact is, and possibly its declared intentions for the future.
Click to view Otiose321's profile New Member 2 posts since
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5. May 9, 2008 11:37 AM in response to: CarsonG
Re: Apple Slammed on Climate Change

So now I'll question your ability to be objective. Heh heh. There's a lot of questioning going now.

I'm not trying to get into some personal attacks here. My issue with your comment - which I did read - was, for one:

"Most likely it means this: IBM, Canon and Toshiba lied."

What objective proof do you have of this? This is all an unsubstantiated conclusion you've made purely because they scored higher than Apple, and because companies were asked to score themselves.

Even assuming Apple was being honest, and the rest weren't - or the rest were ignorant. If Apple knows their score is so poor, why are they making no attempts at making greener products? Why are they not making stronger attemtps to raise their score? The same questions don't immediately come to mind with IBM and company, because their scores are high. The question that remains with them are - are they really that high? With Apple, it's simply: "Well, if that's their score, why aren't they doing anything about it." Instead they're like the kid whose proud he got the F.

Wired gives a more detailed account of Apple's score:

"Apple's low score is due to several factors: The company has not completed an inventory of the greenhouse gases it produces, it has not set a clear goal for emissions reductions, and it has done little to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, according to the report."

"Apple, which has taken heat from Greenpeace for the allegedly toxic chemicals in its iPhone"

http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/05/ibm-microsoft-t.html

Also from Wired:

"ClimateCounts, a climate change awareness group backed by a maker of organic yogurt, compiled the scorecard based on companies' publicly-stated emissions reductions efforts, climate impact and energy use policies, and transparency in reporting on emissions, and other environmental impacts."

This his hardly "companies scoring themselves." At most it's an indirect self-scoring, but considering these are numbers the companies have released publicly, I believe those are at risk of being under a lot more scrutiny then if they were just given a score card and asked to fill in numbers rather arbitrarily as you make it seem.

Click to view mikedgolf40505's profile New Member 5 posts since
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6. May 9, 2008 12:11 PM in response to: PCWorld
Apple Slammed on Climate Change
That is great!!! While I own both Mac and PC; I am very proud to be an Apple consumer; since I am trying for the largest carbon footprint possible. The fact that a number of large US companies are promoting this false global warming propaganda is mind numbing. Is there anyone over the age of 30 that blogs on this topic? If so we would remember all the different dire predictions about the earth for the last 50 years. Well guess how many have been correct? None!!! NOTTA!!! Wake up people CO2 is a very small percentage of the ozone and out of that man made CO2 is less than 5% of the total. Why any intelligent person would take climate advice from a idiot with a room temperature IQ like Al Gore is truly amazing.