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Click to view ixnix's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 26, 2007
15. Jan 26, 2007 2:07 PM in response to: PCWorld
Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
You must have written this on your brand new free $2200.00 notebook compliments of Microsoft, it's really pretty?
Click to view jillgates's profile New Member 4 posts since
Jan 26, 2007
16. Jan 26, 2007 3:22 PM in response to: PCWorld
15 'happy meal' reasons to like; 1 thesis says to eschew
Take your pick: are you contented with a handful of 'happy meal' level reasons to like Vista, or a well researched, scientifically based thesis from a computer scientist explaining why you should avoid Vista at all costs?

Your call what you are happy to base your decisions on, but I would check out: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html before deciding to buy Vista if I was you.
Click to view jarchack's profile New Member 1 posts since
Nov 9, 2006
17. Jan 26, 2007 5:59 PM in response to: PCWorld
Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
This isn't an article, it's a sales pitch. I know this is 'PC' world but give me a break, this is nothing but a shameless plug for vista. It's almost enough to make me cancel my subscription.
Click to view WxGuy1's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 26, 2007
18. Jan 26, 2007 9:36 PM in response to: PCWorld
OK...

Microsoft CANNOT make new version of Windows every couple of years like Apple can. First of all, there are far more business users of Windows than Mac. Why does this matter? Many large businesses do not want to spend the time and money to upgrade thousands of computers every couple of years. Throw in indirect costs like training, and it's easy to see that Microsoft won't make a new OS every couple of years.

Second of all, when's the last time you made your way to Best Buy (or Newegg) to buy a new graphics card, processor, and motherboard for your Mac? Oh yes, you can't. What about for your homemade Mac, one you made from all the components you bought. Right, forgot that you can't do that. Microsoft must test their software to ensure acceptable compatibility amongst the thousands and thousands of hardware pieces available for PCs. Apple can be more rapid with their Mac OS releases because they keep an enormously tight control on the hardware used. They don't need to deal with crappy 3rd-party drivers or other such sources for crashes as much as Microsoft does.

I stiil laugh when I see Micro$soft... What's up with the $? I find this funny coming from some of the Mac-fanatics given how Macs TEND to be more expensive than PCs (for equivalent parts). Maybe I should say I don't want any Mac$.

Of course hardware requirements would be higher with Vista than previous versions... Computers have gotten progressively faster and more powerful since the release of XP, so wouldn't you expect the new version of Windows to utilize that power? Couldn't you equally say "Man, why I can't I run this on my PC with a 486 50mhz processor, 4mb RAM, and a 50mb hard drive... It ran Windows 3.1 just fine, so why the high requirements for Vista?"... Oy. Nobody's forcing you to upgrade... If you don't want to upgrade because the requirements aren't met on your PC, then don't upgrade.

I wish we were all more reasonable about this. Without Microsoft, the computing industry would not be as far along as it is now. Regardless of whether or not you hate Microsoft, it's tough to deny that they played a massive role in computing advancements (and getting computers "to the masses"). I'm NOT saying Microsoft is the best company in the world, but it's foolish to think they're the worst.

P.S. -- I can go to a Mac review site now and find several front-page articles about how great some Mac products are... Wouldn't you expect some pro-MS reviews on a site called pcworld.com?
Click to view THEONERODMAN's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 27, 2007
19. Jan 27, 2007 6:28 AM in response to: PCWorld
Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
I do not know who this Preston Gralla is but he appears to be another in a long line of Microsoft Shills whose motives are suspect. I do not subscribe to any tech magazine and rarely read reviews, though I admit to a certain fascination with John Dvorak a few years ago. I am a self taught geek that learns by reading and doing, particularly the last 2 editions of Windows OS. Every one of his "points" is already an established functionality that anyone remotely competent in "Windows" knows about, it may be packaged differently and upgraded but I can address every point through "XP" and the individual programs he cites. There is not enought room to comment on all 15 "points" so I will do just the first two. Point 1: What is this doing here, it means nothing, if I was making a living touting the PC I'd be ashamed to say this. Point 2: Whenever I Alt-Tab a little window pops up and lets me choose which running program to go to, this point makes him sound incompetent. A shill is a shill.
Click to view rosmar's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 27, 2007
20. Jan 27, 2007 1:14 PM in response to: PCWorld
Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
If we upgrade to Windows Vista wil we still be able to use our Windows programs and games?
Click to view jillgates's profile New Member 4 posts since
Jan 26, 2007
21. Jan 27, 2007 2:36 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
rosmar wrote:If we upgrade to Windows Vista wil we still be able to use our Windows programs and games?

Not all of them, no. Many will have incompatibilities that will have to be addressed. Many small games manufacturers, for example, have been complaining about the extra, costly work they will have to do to appear on Vista. South Koreans have been warned not to upgrade specifically for this reason. Government bodies in the UK and Australia have warned against upgrading due to the certainty of incompatibilities.
Click to view Simon140's profile New Member 4 posts since
Jan 27, 2007
22. Jan 30, 2007 5:09 PM in response to: PCWorld
Gimme a break - the Mac / PC split was probably the result o
DoctorDoom wrote: There's a reason why PC's command 90+ percent of all PC market share.


Wrong.The most you can say is that there + might+ be a reason why PCs have a large market share.

This conclusion follows from Brian Arthur's economic analysis of the 1980s VHS / Beta video tape wars. See this Scientific American article:
[url]http://www.item.ntnu.no/fag/SIE5070/2007/sciam.pdf_.

Arthur showed that two competing, but incompatible products, that are subject to positive sales feedback (i.e. if one of the products gets even the tiniest advantage in market share, then even more people will buy that product) can produce any split of the target market, from 0% : 100% to 100% : 0% or any other value x% : (100 - x)% in between. Furthermore the outcome can be explained by nothing more than chance.

So the current PC / Mac market split is completely consistent with chance. There is no reason to believe that there is any rational reason why PCs have -- let alone "command"! -- a large market share.
Click to view southsidesmoka's profile New Member 14 posts since
Aug 14, 2006
23. Jan 27, 2007 9:41 PM in response to: PCWorld
Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
Preston Gralla, PC World said "If you've ever had Mac envy, this is the Windows you want--it's the most Mac-like interface yet.". Let me remind us all that every great element of every GUI has either been stolen (Steve jobs stole the GUI design from Xerox PARC); duplicated (Mac OS turned the Windows Taskbar into its Doc); KDE and Gnome both use elements from the Mac OS, Windows and prior UNIX GUIs that came before they did (Motif). Windows Aero is more of a sign of the times than candy and fulfilment for anyone with "Mac envy": it certainly is not the most Mac OS like interface yet - Apple made that happen when they released Mac OS X and their Doc in contrast with anyt version of Windows with the Taskbar.
Click to view Simon140's profile New Member 4 posts since
Jan 27, 2007
24. Jan 27, 2007 11:19 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
southsidesmoka wrote: Let me remind us all that every great element of every GUI has either been stolen (Steve jobs stole the GUI design from Xerox PARC)

While every GUI owes a debt to Xerox Parc, remember that Apple paid Xerox with a large chunk of Apple stock. Microsoft did not.

Also the GUI argument is the superficial side of deeper issues. A good GUI really has to be built using an object oriented language, so that the GUI can respond to the state of the machine. (You can hack around the problem, as Microsoft did with Windows 95, but that's no real solution.) Xerox used SmallTalk. Apple +invented +and developed the object oriented extensions of Pascal that appeared Object Pascal. The MacOS was written in (tweaked) Object Pascal.

The argument that Apple and Microsoft have - or had - some kind of parity of evil is just false. Until at least 1995 Apple was a truly innovative company, whereas Microsoft was more like a leech.

Microsoft's success in the '85-'95 period was buoyed by its association with the IBM PC, their use of dedicated, but limiting, text-based graphics cards which made IBM PCs popular with secretaries and data entry people. These factors inflated the value of Microsoft's ancient DOS system, and made it a commercial rival to Apple's GUI. I suspect MS won because of the VHS/Beta effect that I mentioned ealier.

MS's work after 1995 - namely Windows NT and its successors - resulted from a major collaboration with IBM (OS/2). If IBM had not made this mistake, I suspect we'd have an Apple/IBM race today, and MS wouldn't exist.

(That is the first post I've written about Apple and Microsoft in five years, and I don't ever plan to write another. History isn't that interesting to me.)
Click to view pxlfxr's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 28, 2007
25. Jan 28, 2007 3:16 AM in response to: PCWorld
Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
Knowning the l;evel of hype attached to every microsloth release, does anyone seriously believe this platform will work as advertised?The question to be asked; after implimentation how much will it cost to fix it, how many fixes will it take, and how much time will be wasted discovering the problems.I will wait for others to do the self abuse thing, I will remain stress free and wait a while thank you.Microsloth has earned their reputation over many years and should be shown how well we do understand their flawed ethical value systems. A bug fix is definetely overdue.
Click to view DellsCommunistCapo's profile New Member 89 posts since
Dec 21, 2006
26. Jan 28, 2007 1:45 PM in response to: PCWorld
Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
i got it, and i like it, its got a bit of a learning curve but other than that, its smooth. And a resource hog........... to sit idle at the desktop......40 % of ram is used
Click to view lilbro's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jan 28, 2007
27. Jan 28, 2007 4:16 PM in response to: PCWorld
Windows Vista: 15 Reasons to Switch
When I first plugged in a PC, it ran DOS, had 2 MB memory and QEMM-386 and Desqview-386 were the cat's pajammas. Since then, I've seen nothing in Windows that this combo could do asdwell if not better. I took MS years to match the funcionality I had in Quattro Pro DOS 4 and pfs:Professional Write. Do I need all the fancy gee-gaws that are now part of Windows and Office? For 90% of the time, no. For the other 10% there were and are products that do it much better and simpler.
In my opinion, an operating system should be just that, an operating system. It should be the middleman between getting from your brain to the harddrive and back. (That includes printing, wiseguys.) Why an operating system needs to handle music, have graphics manipulation, have flying windows or control external access is beyonfd me. By doing more that it should, the OS must be designed to the lowest common denominator, which in turn makes it vulnerable to attack, corruption, subterfuge and theft.
Click to view rkinne01's profile Member 163 posts since
Nov 29, 2006
28. Jan 28, 2007 7:39 PM in response to: PCWorld
I have to wonder why the Mac and Linux supporters are always posting negative comments in here? If your product is so great why waste time here?
Click to view Cosmo's profile Member 1,936 posts since
Jul 27, 2006
29. Jan 30, 2007 6:23 AM in response to: PCWorld
*{size:16px}Please keep to the topic at hand, which is Vista.

If you wish to talk about Linux, please go here.

If you wish to talk about Apple, please go here.

Thank you.[/size:daf7c099fe]*

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