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Jun 15, 2007 1:11 PM

Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away

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Click to view rhondabrwn's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jun 16, 2007
1. Jun 16, 2007 4:07 PM in response to: PCWorld
Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away
I modified my Epson R300 printer with a drain tube to carry away the waste ink that gets dumped when the heads are cleaned (or when the printer is restarted). The amount of ink being wasted is unbelievable once you can see it happening!. I would be surprised if half the ink in a cartridge isn't wasted when you factor in the recharges and head cleaning. Instead of cheap printers and expensive ink, I would gladly pay $300 for a high quality, long lasting printer with refillable ink tanks and a replaceable drain tank (instead of foam pads inside the printer).Epson... Canon...Lexmark.... ARE YOU LISTENING?Personally, I went with a CIS (Continuous Ink System) with large tanks of generic ink so my days of buying cartridges are gone forever!
Click to view wiz2525's profile New Member 4 posts since
Nov 6, 2006
2. Jun 17, 2007 1:55 AM in response to: PCWorld
Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away
I never believe my printer when it tells me I am low on ink. I am low on ink right now. But until the page I'm printing shows ill effects, I recognize it for what it is... another attempt to suck money out of my pocket. I am still very reluctant to purchase refill kits, however, because so much of what I print is photographic, and I just don't have confidence in the refill kits having the exact colors or densities for the jets.
Click to view Cubby's profile New Member 1 posts since
May 24, 2007
3. Jun 17, 2007 5:28 AM in response to: PCWorld
I just recently purchased a double refill black inkjet cartiage from a leading office supply store (June 13) and already after printing mybe a half dozen pages it shows only 3/4 full. Anybody had the same problem? BRK.
Click to view Doug's profile New Member 17 posts since
Aug 22, 2006
4. Jun 17, 2007 6:09 AM in response to: PCWorld
Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away
Assuming nothing is broken, replace them only when the printer fails to print (because of no ink) or when print quality drops below your personal standard.Listening to the maker as to when to replace is like throwing out a perfectly good, working, water heater, stove, or etc. because it's exceeded it's published life.Why would anybody actually listen to someone (something?) who has a vested interest in maximizing the amount of money they take out of your pocket?
Click to view freejazz's profile New Member 46 posts since
May 24, 2007
5. Jun 17, 2007 6:36 AM in response to: PCWorld
Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away
It's really very simple. Just keep printing until you notice deterioration of the quality. Why put more money into the greedy manufacturer's pockets?
Click to view bpcan's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jun 18, 2007
6. Jun 18, 2007 11:56 AM in response to: PCWorld
Inkjet Printer cartidges
I totally agree - because the ink is reported as low does not mean you have to replace the cartridge immediately. Wait for the the print quality to fall.

One other change I would like to see is the ink capacity indicated on the cartridges. Not all brands display that information. It should be a requirement so the consumer can see how much ink he/she is buying and can also see which printer is more efficient.
Click to view talk's profile New Member 2 posts since
Jun 18, 2007
7. Jun 18, 2007 1:22 PM in response to: PCWorld
Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away
http://www.epsonsettlement.com/Faq.htm

Epson still denies any claims of wrongdoing even though they lost this class action lawsuit.
Click to view talk's profile New Member 2 posts since
Jun 18, 2007
8. Jun 18, 2007 1:29 PM in response to: PCWorld
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freejazz wrote:It's really very simple. Just keep printing until you notice deterioration of the quality. Why put more money into the greedy manufacturer's pockets?
Epson printers won't allow you print if THEY have determined that the cartridge is out of ink -- you have no choice -- the driver simply won't allow you to print. It's funny that the company that was successfully sued for wasting ink is now claiming that an "independent lab" shows that they are more efficient than other companies. At least with the other companies, you can print until the cartridge is drained -- but not Epson.
Click to view theonlybuster's profile New Member 26 posts since
Jun 7, 2007
9. Jun 18, 2007 4:30 PM in response to: PCWorld
Epson hardware is like that in general.
Lexmark printers will print regardless of ink being there or not, I've even printed without a cartridge even physically being installed. They're just drones.
SOME HP printers will also print regardless of the amount of ink. I have 1 that prints all the time and another more updated that stops when it reaches anything below the 5% mark.
Click to view Metalmorphasis's profile New Member 2 posts since
Apr 26, 2007
10. Jun 19, 2007 6:55 PM in response to: PCWorld
Expensive Ink!
I just got through paying almost $100 bucks for a whole 3 inkjet cartridges for my two printers!
Just like gas, I think were all getting pumped, or should I say sucked when it comes to re-fueling!
Well,at least they last almost longer than a tank full of gas.
Click to view yrrallezr2's profile New Member 4 posts since
Jun 8, 2007
11. Jun 21, 2007 9:49 AM in response to: PCWorld
Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away
Would be really nice if you would have given info on the specific printers that were tested and if there's an available site to test mine.
Click to view Bellcon's profile New Member 1 posts since
Jun 22, 2007
12. Jun 22, 2007 9:24 AM in response to: PCWorld
Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away
No mention was made on the inkjet efficiency of the Canon, Lexmark or the Brother printers. How did they fare?

I own a Lexmark all in one printer and when it shows the level of ink is low I continue using it until if no longer prints.
Click to view rmaruniak's profile New Member 1 posts since
Mar 15, 2007
13. Jun 27, 2007 6:57 AM in response to: PCWorld
Shake it up to use some of the 60%
At work when one of our printers appeared to be low on ink, my secretary would shake the big cartridge. I've tried it at home when I get a low ink message and it works! I can print for quite a while longer. Sometimes I do it again and it extends the printing even longer. Just remove the cartridge and shake it hard, mostly down toward the jets a few times. The ink that is still up inside the cartridge foam will be put in a useful postiion.
Click to view dlauber's profile New Member 32 posts since
Aug 29, 2006
14. Jun 27, 2007 8:40 AM in response to: PCWorld
Re: Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away
rhondabrwn wrote:Instead of cheap printers and expensive ink, I would gladly pay $300 for a high quality, long lasting printer with refillable ink tanks and a replaceable drain tank (instead of foam pads inside the printer).

Epson... Canon...Lexmark.... ARE YOU LISTENING?


It's been done. It's called a color laser printer. If you don't need to print glossy photographs, they are a lot more economical to use -- and a lot faster -- than any inkjet. Of course, some of the manufacturers are applying the inkjet model to lasers and charging ridiculous prices for toner cartridges -- HP being the most guilty. Ricoh's color ink cartridges are actually darned inexpensive by comparison, but Ricoh doesn't make any really inexpensive color lasers.

Actually, the concept of charging a lot for toner originated years and years ago with HP where an executive publicly admitted the real profit was in the consumables -- the profit margin on laser toner (and inkjet ink) is huge and inexcusable in a just society -- but then ripping off the public is just one of the joys of our economic system, isn't it? Profits and high executive salaries come first -- that's why so many of our jobs have been shipped overseas. The public interest? There is none when excess profit can be made.

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