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6 Replies Last post: Jun 24, 2007 12:19 PM by oldtimer  
Click to view oldtimer's profile New Member 189 posts since
Mar 29, 2007
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Jun 24, 2007 7:58 AM

Buying a PC these days

I'm not in the market for a new PC,but i like to read the ads to see whats
Being sold.All i see these days is "Vista installed"
I'm happy with XP home and would buy an XP system if i was buying.
Why has XP gone like it was W95 ?
Have any buyers lately had an option of Vista or XP ?
Not to leave out PCWorld ads and articles.90 % Vista.
:?:
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Click to view mcbarker's profile Enthusiast 724 posts since
Aug 10, 2006
1. Jun 24, 2007 8:06 AM in response to: oldtimer
I believe that Dell is still offering XP as an option, and there are probably some others, but you're right... XP did seem to disappear fast. I guess MS wants to push it's latest greatest beta, Vista, on everyone
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Click to view rgreen4's profile Member Moderators 4,211 posts since
Oct 22, 2006
2. Jun 24, 2007 9:36 AM in response to: oldtimer
Vista vs XP
Oldtimer, I was like you at first (I'm an oldtimer too), not really seeing the "lure" of Vista. I first saw Vista on a laptop belonging to someone else. We were at a training session, and he had just gotten it several days before. This was the first weekend in February, so there were'nt a lot of people around who knew much about it. We struggled to find things.

The lure is the improved graphics. Far superior to XP, but at a price of more memory and more capable video cards. Of course for a while, you can buy a system that at one time came with XP but now comes with Vista, remove the HD, install a replacement and install XP. I did that with my older HP when it came with XP. I took the HD out, replaced it and installed Win2K. About six or eight months later, I put the original HD back in, converted to XP and haven't looked back.

Of course you could always build you own. Your problem is going to come in about six or eight months when there are no XP drivers for the new devices that will be on the market. As the installed base of XP shrinks, manufacturers and chip producers will not want to spend the money to write new drivers for a shrinking OS base.

Just try to install Win98 on a new machine. It would be a real exercise to get the drivers, if you could. HP has notices on their drivers and downloads pages that Win98/ME drivers and CD's are no longer available for some of their older items.

I go back to Dos 1.1 and a 64K IBM PC with dual 5 1/4" 360K floppies. It did have a multi-function board that had the LPT port and 512K additional memory to take it to the max of 576K. You couldn't put 640K on one until they come out with the 256K MB also used in the XT with the 10 MB hard drive! We thought we had all kinds of room. I have the shell of an Pentium II machine in storage - 96MB memory, CD ROM, Zip drive, but no HD. Memory is 32MB and 64MB 168pin Dram modules! Dates on some of the items are 1999, and I don't even think I can find a HD small enough to install. My old 8GB is on a 98SE machine with 512MB of ram.

I'm in the process of building a new machine, but it will be Vista. Just what I need - another computer! Five years from now when rumors of the "New" Windows operating system are floating around we will wonder what all the fuss is about.


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Click to view smax013's profile Old Hand 3,867 posts since
Jan 28, 2007
3. Jun 24, 2007 9:31 AM in response to: oldtimer
mcbarker wrote:I believe that Dell is still offering XP as an option, and there are probably some others, but you're right... XP did seem to disappear fast. I guess MS wants to push it's latest greatest beta, Vista, on everyone

:(

I thought that as well. It was stated in an article that was the case. But if so, then it is only for select systems because I just helped a friend order a new system from Dell (Dimension) and Vista was the only option.


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Click to view rgreen4's profile Member Moderators 4,211 posts since
Oct 22, 2006
4. Jun 24, 2007 9:42 AM in response to: oldtimer
Ordering XP
You can still get XP Pro on business systems from HP and Dell. They have commited with MS to offer XP Pro on new systems to the business community for at least until Feb, 2008.

Course at work were still running Windows 2000 Pro (Win2K). Even there, though, even with the HD images that Enterprise locations use they are going to run out of time as the devices are no long responsive to the older drivers. But for now, XP is alive and well in that market.

Companies have large investiments in legacy devices that must be connected, and in our case proprietary custom written software. Making major software changes is not something a company does quickly for it run into hundreds of thousands of dollars.


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Click to view smax013's profile Old Hand 3,867 posts since
Jan 28, 2007
5. Jun 24, 2007 9:48 AM in response to: oldtimer
Re: Ordering XP
rgreen4 wrote:You can still get XP Pro on business systems from HP and Dell. They have commited with MS to offer XP Pro on new systems to the business community for at least until Feb, 2008.


Course at work were still running Windows 2000 Pro (Win2K). Even there, though, even with the HD images that Enterprise locations use they are going to run out of time as the devices are no long responsive to the older drivers. But for now, XP is alive and well in that market.


Companies have large investiments in legacy devices that must be connected, and in our case proprietary custom written software. Making major software changes is not something a company does quickly for it run into hundreds of thousands of dollars.


I figured the business systems would not be a problem getting XP. And for large enough companies with some sort site license for the OS, it would not matter...they would just wipe a Vista system clean and clone in a XP image.

That does not seem to be the case for consumer based computer lines. Supposedly Dell does still sell two versions of the Dimension series with XP as an option, but it certainly was not the Dimension model that I just help a friend order.


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