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Click to view Kooler's profile New Member 49 posts since
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Jul 20, 2007 10:21 AM

Thanks to All Who Sincerely Tried To Help Me

I know I have made some enemies but for the most part you guys and gals provide a great and needed service. Thank you for all who helped me, even after it appeared I was not listening. I listened, printed every reply. I learned a lot. However, I am not one to go one any one recommendation unless it seems right on. I guess from being a critical care RN for so long, I have learned to gather all kinds of information from all kind of sources and make the final decision. that is how I work and I was not ready until about a week ago. Until a few days ago, the time had not come where I felt like I was ready to make the decision.

So, if it makes anybody happy to know they helped a pure ignorant person when it comes to computers, give yourself a pat on the back.

I assume the one I ordered is on its way even know I was told 4-6 weeks and it has not even been 1 week. Since some of you seem to "get off' on computer stuff here is what I configured. I am not happy about the Vista but I could not see me paying more for XP Pro when I have 2 copies of it, and one is on the notebook that died. I also will not change my mind on the resources, or the majority of Microsoft's resources gong to keep Vista and all the versions of it up-to-date. I have several clients who are executives at Franklin covey and they have all switched to Vista.

so here is what is on its way:
QtyPart #Product DescriptionUnit CostTotal1SYS.6465CTCONFIGURED SYSTEM
Serial#: L3A6800 $1,954.25$1,954.256465CTOCTO THINKPAD T61 WIDESCREEN-3Y 42V8191INTEL CORE 2 DUO PRCESST7500 42V8011VBB MS WIN VISTA HOME PREMIUM 42X1954SBB MSWVISHMPRM64 US ENGLISH 42V8286SBB 15.4 WXGA TFT 42X0817SBB INT GMAX3100 GM965W 41W2063VBB 2GB PC2-5300 667MHZ 2DIMM 42V8195SBB KEYBOARD US ENGLISH 42V8297SBB UN(TRCKP TOUCHPAD)FINGERRE 42V8169SBB 100GB HDD,7200RPM 42V8193SBB INTEL TURBO MEMORY 1GB 42V8172SBB DVD REC.8XMAXDUAL LAY UB-S 42X0805SBB PC CARDSLOT EX CARDSLOT 42V8177SBB INT.WIRE.WIFI/LINK4965AGN 62P6054VBB INTEGR.BLUETOOTH PAN 41W1508SBB 6 CELL LI-ION BATTERY 41W1787SBB CPK NORTH AMERICA 27R1769SBB PSTN CABLE 42V8339SBB LPACK US ENGLISH 42V8063SBB MS WAU ENGLISH NA-U MODELS 42X1232SBB NEWINTELLAB_DUALCORE/CEPRO 42V9665SBB FCC, LABEL 42X1482SBB BLUETOOTH W/ ANTENNA 42X1483SBB BLUETOOTH SCREW 42V8623SBB 15"WXGAW/BTW/OWWANW/OUWB 39T6440SBB 56K V.92 DESIGNED MODEM 42V8654SBB CL.PLATE T61WLAN BLTOOTH 41W1749SBB GEO LABEL US WLAN BT 41W2300SBB LOGO PLATE 42V8607SBB INT.WLAN ANTENNA 15.4" 42X0838SBB INTEL GMA960W/WWAN,W/AMT 42X0884SBB MT 6465 SYSTEM LABEL 42X0850SBB MECH MISC PARTS 42V7972SBB MS LABEL (VISTA PREMIUM) 42V8605SBB NO INT.WWAN ANTENNA 15.4"R 42V8601SBB NO UWB ANTENNA 42X0995SBB PC CARD SLOT EXP.CARD SLOT 42V8612SBB ST LCD COVER/BEZEL 15.4" 42V8300SBB 1GB PC2-5300 DDR2 667MHZ 42T6638SBB PACK. US, 15.4" 41C93394 YR TP PROTECTION + 40Y9134TPP TERMS AND CONDITIONS

I am sure there are things I did not need-like the 4 years of protection and on-site warranty but the price was so close to the on demand and 3 year. I hope I can find Bluetooth headsets with double ear and a mic that wraps around to my mouth. I knew the T60 had the camera but I assumend the T61 did too. However, I think I might have been worng. So they do sell an external digetal camera that clips on the top of the dislay and a cord hangs down an plugs into one of the USB ports.

I am going to get Office myself, because I would like to have the disks. If I had them install it I would not get any disks, just the PD file manual. I hope there is no difference having them install it or me install it.

I would like to know how a person can know if they did actually get what they paid for. I am just odd like that because I have found errors in various areas through the years. would you recommend I use Balearic, I think it is called?

thanks again.
PS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY FEELING ON GETTING THE DIGITAL CAM THAT CLIPS ON THIS NOTEBOOK'S DISPLAY LET ME KNOW. SINCE IT WAS UNDER ACCESSORIES AND THE T60 CAME WITH A CAMERA, i THOUGHT THE t61 CAME WIT A CAMERA TOO. IT IS ABOUT 460 AND IS ON THE LENOVO'S SITE. IT WAS UNDER THE CONFIGURATION FRO THE NOTEBOOK ABOVE.

Sorry for the saps, and finally. any help on seeing if the data from the Gateway that the green light comes on but nothing on the display or external display? If you transfer data from an old notebook to a new one does the old one need to be on? it does a "mini boot" as regards to sounds but does not sound like the good ol full boot I use to have. the external monitor just keep saying 'press any key to remove the computer from safe mode." pressing keys, combination of keys, all keys has not changed that. Ctr-alt-del does nothing. I would really like to be able to get the programs and client data files from this Gateway. I know I need to learn and start backing things up.
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Click to view rgreen4's profile Old Hand 3,442 posts since
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1. Jul 20, 2007 12:22 PM in response to: Kooler
Kooler's New Machine
I heartily agree with buying MS Office on your own. Prowl the Newegg website, I have found them very reliable and some of the lowest prices around.

After you get your new machine intiallized, you will probably be prompted to burn a set of recovery DVD's, please do so. While there is probably a recovery partition on the HD, if you lose the HD, you lose everything. The recovery DVD's will also permit you to return the PC to its "as shipped" state if you desire.

When you get ready to transfer your data, it will probably be best to invest in either an external enclosure (Newegg has many) for a 2.5" IDE notebook drive. I seem to recall that your current notebook has an IDE drive (its easy to tell, look at the one end, and if it has 40+ pins for the connectors stickout out, its IDE).


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3. Jul 21, 2007 12:15 PM in response to: Kooler
New laptop
Ok, lets see if we can get a few thing prepped before the new machine arrives. Anytime someone gets a new computer, it's a little like Christmas, and we are eager to open our present (from ourselves) and play with it.

The very first thing you will need to do is turn on the new PC and go through the initial setup. Somewhere toward the end of that process you will be prompted to burn recovery DVD's. (Unless you ordered XP in which case it may be recovery CD's). Data DVD's look just like CD's except they hold a lot more data.

The item I think I can remember is the IDE hard drive. The hard drive is where the operating system, programs and data are stored. For example if you use Microsoft Office and use Word to write letters and proposals, the Programs is MS Word, the data is the actual letters and proposals.

I am assuming that you have the original installation disc for any programs that you use, because it is all but impossible to transfer a windows program from one machine to another. They do this to prevent blatant copying of programs. If you download programs, its always best to set up a directory on the hard drive to store the downloads, and then install the program from there. Some will download and directly install and there is no backup copy. In those cases, when you lose the drive, you lose the programs. I also maintain a file with all the access codes. All my data is under a main directory heading called data, and I just point my backups to that main directory heading.

Here is an example of what a 2.5" IDE hard drive looks like. Please note all the pins on the end.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/impactcomputersmiami_1957_2331077112

If you will give me the Gateway model number, I will see if I can locate the documentation that tells where the access to the HD is. Many laptops now have access panels on the bottom to get to and replace the HD. Many early laptops required the keyboard to be removed and that is the job of a technician, I won't even try it.

As to Newegg, I can order items from them at prices at or near the bottom and get the item in about two days via UPS. (They only guarantee 3, but it usually makes it in 2). They confirm the order, notify you when the charge clears your credit card, notify you when the item ships with the tracking code, and e-mails you the invoice. They also have photos of the items from different angles and have photos of all the cables, connectors and discs that are in the box. What's not to like.

Here is a link to an article detailing Newegg's operation:
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2694

I was at first skeptical when some friends told me about them, but I have yet to be disappointed much less stiffed. One item I got - ironically a type item you will need - a 2.5" IDE external enclosure was DOA. I contacted the manufacturer who gave me an RMA number, I returned the item and the sent me a new item one day after receiving the bad one. Cooler Master earned high marks from me for that, for any manufacturer can have problems, I judge them by how they respond.

Here is an inexpensive external enclosure:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817334008

I wouldn't normally point out the cheapest item, but it has pretty good reviews. I shows in the pictures a 3.5" diskette for drivers, but with either XP or Vista no driver should be needed. The 3.5" driver diskette makes sense if someone is using Win98 however.


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5. Jul 21, 2007 6:29 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: wow, there is a lot there I do not know
Kooler wrote:

So, as far as an internet connection now, is that something a person still needs these days if they just go wireless? Also, if someone has the ability to go wireless, would they still want a high speed Ethernet connection? From what I have experienced with the Sony about 2 months ago, I would still only want a high speed internet connection. Anyway, I hope this makes some sense.



Let's deal with one issue at a time...

With regards to your questions about Internet connections and WiFi.

First...

quote:a0e17a7b8dSo, as far as an internet connection now, is that something a person still needs these days if they just go wireless?[/quote:a0e17a7b8d]

Yes and no. If you are in range of someone else's WiFi connection and it is a connection that you can use (i.e. it is open, etc) and you have WiFi in your computer, then no, you don't need an Internet connection if you don't want one. I personally don't advice making use of someone else's WiFi connection that they are not saavy enough to protect with encryption, but do. It could be some sort of public WiFi connection (many companies offer such things...my local Wendy's now offers a WiFi connection that you can use when in their restraurant...for a fee, I believe...as do many other businesses...and some cities/communities now offer such "public" WiFi connections).

If you don't have access to a WiFi connection to use (either a public one or some neighbor's connection that they have not protected), then you will need an Internet connection. You can then decide if you want to "turn" that Internet connection (typically DSL or cable modem, but can also be satelite or even a T1 line) into a wireless connection that you can use.

That takes to #2...

quote:a0e17a7b8dAlso, if someone has the ability to go wireless, would they still want a high speed Ethernet connection?[/quote:a0e17a7b8d]

Again, it is kind of yes and no answer...or better yet, "it depends". If your community/city offers a free public WiFi connection or a paid public WiFi connection, then that could be your Internet connection. If your neighbor has a WiFi network and they don't protect it, then you could "steal" (i.e. make use of) their connection if you really wanted to.

Most likely, however, you will want to get your own Internet connection. You can then decide if you want to only use that connection when connected with a wire (ethernet cable) or if you want to set it up to also have a wireless connection. If you do set up a wireless network to work with your Internet connection, then you will want to setup security/encryption...otherwise, someone can "steal" your Internet connection...and if you don't properly setup up your computers on your network properly, potentially access your computers and data. This can still happen with a wired connection, but it is to some degree a little easier to setup a wired connection than a wireless connection. With either, this is why it is important to have either a router for your Internet connection and/or a software firewall running on your computer.


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6. Jul 21, 2007 6:37 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: wow, there is a lot there I do not know
Kooler wrote:

I am still hoping I can just copy the entire HD onto the new notebook. is that not something I should try to do? The computer I am using now has 4 hard drives in it. Every time I go to the local place that put it together and update things, they just add all the old hard drives into the big tower.



Second issue...

First, which HD are you talking about...the old notebook's or the desktop's that you are using now?

Copying the entire hard drive will be a tough thing to do, depending on what you mean.

If you mean copy over the entire hard drive to the new computer and try to use that old hard drive configuration as the boot drive configuration for the new laptop, then that is a REALLY complex thing to do. It is potentially do able, but it means really messing with things like drivers and other configuration differences between the two computers. Stuff that may overwhelm you based upon what appears to be your technical level.

If you are talking about copying over everything to the new hard drive for the purposes of "sorting" through stuff to keep (data) and stuff to ditch (i.e. program files and system files), then this is a more reasonable approach. Your alternative to this is to just leave everything on the old drive with the old drive in the enclosure (per rgreen's recommendation) and copy over what you need. You would still have everything on the old drive in case you need access to it again in the future.

The toughest thing could be finding your data on the old drive, depending on how/where you stored that data and how your program stored your data. I forget...was your old system Windoze XP? If so, where you using the My Documents folder to store your data files? This is typically the default location for the stored data of most programs.


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7. Jul 21, 2007 6:49 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: wow, there is a lot there I do not know
Kooler wrote:IAnyway, I will just stay focused on getting the notebook Monday morning, turning it on (although it will probably say to charge something first like the Sony did. However, the Sony went right on when I plugged it in).. I will hope it will ask me to back up and then I will have to get some disks. so those are the steps I will focus on. if it does not ask me to back up like the Sony did not, what should I do.



You will undoubtably have to plug in the computer when you get it. But, you should not need to let it fully charge before using it, unless they instruct you to. You can always do so if it will make you feel better, but I definitely usually feel like a kid on Christmas when a new computer arrives and waiting for it to sit an charge is usually not feasible for me. :lol:

If it does not ask you to make a set of restore DVDs/CDs (I could not find anything on Levono's website that suggested one direction or the other on this), you appears that you can always manually do it. Here are the instructions on how to do so from Levono's website:

[url]http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-4Q2QAK_

And it appears that you also have the option of purchasing recovery/restore disks. This page talks about that option as well as the hidden hard drive partition and making of restore disks yourself:

[url]http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-4M7HWZ#rescue_


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8. Jul 21, 2007 6:52 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: wow, there is a lot there I do not know
Kooler wrote:

I thought you were asking about a connection or a port of some kind when you mentioned holes or pins or whatever it was you mentioned earlier. I guess I could hit the back arrow but I might lose this so I will not in hopes you are following me.



A general note...

Just below where you type your response to a post on this forum, there should be a "Topic review" section that will show most if not all of the posts on the Topic. Thus, you don't need to "back arrow" to review others posts on the topic. Just scroll the page down to that area and scroll through the reponses there. Your response/typing will remain in the area above and you can scroll back up to it and complete your post at anytime.


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9. Jul 21, 2007 6:55 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: wow, there is a lot there I do not know
Kooler wrote:As far as installing Office when I do get it, are there any recommendations you have?



There should not be anything special with regards to installing Office. You can install it in the default location. About the only thing that you might want to do is after installing Office, open it up and modify the settings (things like where default files storage is, how the menus operate...i.e. I never liked "personalized" menus where it would only show menu items that you only regularly use rather than ALL menu items with the little "double" arrows at the bottom to have it show all menu items, etc). Otherwise, there should be nothing really special.


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10. Jul 21, 2007 7:04 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: wow, there is a lot there I do not know
Kooler wrote:In regards to what you were mentioning about the data and programs, I understand but that was actually not my concern. my concern is that the specific data I entered into the fitness and nutrition programs is lost and not able to be retrieved. when I did something with a clients file within those programs, I always clicked "Save" before I exited the program. I do have the DVDs. Actually for the fitness program the company just sent me a new DVD because somehow the notebook lost all the pictures of the exercises my trainers use to make programs for clients with. so the company just send me the newest version and told me how to install just the pictures. They also said, if I do get a new notebook and it is Vista, I will need the DVD they sent me to install or allow the program to be used with Vista.


The nutrition programs another story. Every time you install it you have to have a code and every time you use that code and install the program that code can never be used again. that company sold the nutrition program part of their business to another company. they wanted $400/year for tech support, every year and I could not afford it. so, hopefully they will provide a code for me to install the program on to Vista but they might say I need to pay for tech support since it is probably a new DVD install now with Vista. I will have to see. one thing at a time.



As I hinted at in one of the other posts, this could be the one "tricky" thing. It will depend on how/where the fitness and nutrition program store your data for them. It is hopeful that they store that data in a central location such as the My Documents folder. But, they may store it in their program directory/folder. It will also depend on if they store it in a central file (i.e. one file that has all the data for ALL your clients) or if they store the data in a seperate file for each client. When you start the programs up, do you have to open up a client's own data file (i.e. go to an "open" command)? Or does the program just open up with a list of clients that you then select which client you are working with?

If you cannot figure out where the data files are located so that you can copy them over to the new compupter, then you might need to contact the software companies' tech support folks and have them guide you.

As to the nutrition program, it will depend on how their license is set up. If it is purely a yearly technical support fee, then you should be able to re-install it and either the license key that you already have should work or they should give you a new one or reset the old one if it does not work. If they have set up the license as some sort of a "rental" like agreement, then you may have to pay to get the new license.

And even if your license would allow you to re-install it, if the old version is NOT compatible with Vista, then you may have to pay to upgrade to the version that works with Vista. This is the potential downside of going with Vista...software incompatibilty and/or need to upgrade to avoid software incompatibilty.


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11. Jul 21, 2007 8:13 PM in response to: Kooler
Internet Connection
There are but three ways to legally connect to the internet. Your dial-up connection if any. Your high-speed broadband connection. A Public wireless network. You will need one of the above to properly use the computer.

You can set up a private network on your own by connecting a wireless router to your broadband connection to enable you to connect without having to drag a wire around with you.

As smax has said, the fact that others have failed to protect their network does not authorize you to use their network, and if you depend on it you could be in for a surprise if they come home and either protect it or turn it off. You have no control over their network.


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12. Jul 21, 2007 8:36 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: Internet Connection
rgreen4 wrote:There are but three ways to legally connect to the internet. Your dial-up connection if any. Your high-speed broadband connection. A Public wireless network. You will need one of the above to properly use the computer.


You can set up a private network on your own by connecting a wireless router to your broadband connection to enable you to connect without having to drag a wire around with you.


As smax has said, the fact that others have failed to protect their network does not authorize you to use their network, and if you depend on it you could be in for a surprise if they come home and either protect it or turn it off. You have no control over their network.


I would modify that statement to say "There are but three ways to legally/ethically connect...". I am not sure if it is strictly speaking always illegal to make use fo someone else's unprotected WiFi network, but then again while I have stayed in Holiday Inn Expresses at time, I am no lawyer. I would suspect that in many cases it might be no different than patching offer of a neighbor's cable connection, which is usually illegal.

Regardless, I consider it unethical at a minimum and tend to actively discourage people from doing it. Better yet, I tend to encourage those that setup wireless networks to setup the encryption, even if their only option is the crappy old WEP.


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13. Jul 22, 2007 8:03 AM in response to: Kooler
Public Wireless Networks
The wireless networks in a hotel are Public. Some are free, some require a daily fee. I usually opt out of the daily fee ones. I stayed at an Omni Hotel in Austin, Texas for 2 nights that advertised wireless internet. After charging $169 an night for the room, they wanted another $15 for 24 hours in internect connection. I declined.


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