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15. Jul 28, 2007 4:32 AM in response to: jeddied
Hi Jeddied. Well, there are two major things you can do:

  • Get a groundng wrist strap. This strap will release any ESD from your hands and allow you to work confidently within your computer. They cost no more than $5 and can be purchased at any computer store. You connect one end to the computer case and the other end is wrapped around your wrist.

  • Short of doing the above, make sure you consistently release any ESD from your hands by touching any metal part of the case.

As mjd420nova stated, keep the power cord plugged into the computer. This, along with one of the points listed, will assure that you will not inadvertently short your motherboard.

:oops: I use the term "PCI video card" loosely to mean any card that is not an onboard card. Sorry if there was any confusion. You can search newegg's website for AGP cards the same way I did to find the card I suggested.


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17. Jul 28, 2007 8:02 AM in response to: jeddied
At this point, your options are dwindling. The easiest option would be to get a computer that is not being used and swap out the parts. There is no easy way around this particular situation. Let's try to eliminate everything else before you take it to a technician.

Here is what I would recommend, if you have not already tried this:

There should be a small black speaker connected to the motherboard. This speaker produces the beeps that would suggest a fault or failure. It should look like this:

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  • First, take everything out of the case. Make sure you protect the motherboard by laying it on the protective cover that should have come with it. Look for that small black speaker. It should be in the same location as all of your main connections. **Make sure this speaker is securely connected to the motherboard**

  • Look inside the case. As mjd420nova stated, there should be a series of insulating raisers in the case. If you do not see anything in the case, very carefully lift the motherboard and look on the bottom of the motherboard for some sort of insulating raisers. If you still do not see anything that would protect the motherboard from the metal, I am sorry to say but more than likely your motherboard is shot.

  • Now, if you do see the raisers start to put just the motherboard, with the memory, back in the case. Verify that you have connected everything to its appropriate spot, connect the Power Supply, connect the monitor, keyboard, and mouse, and turn on the computer. You should be able to at least get to the BIOS screen from this area. No question. If you do not, again, I am sorry but your motherboard is fried.

  • If you are able to get to the BIOS, look for a way to disable the default onboard video card. Once you do that, hit F10 to save the options and restart the computer. Again, you should be able to get to the BIOS screen. Once you get to the BIOS area, turn off the computer.

  • Next, install the AGP video card and then restart the computer. Again, you should be able to at least get to the BIOS. Once you do that, shut off the computer.

  • Next, install the the hard drive(s) and optical drive(s) and restart the computer. At this point, as long as you have the Operating System partition set up as the primary drive, you should be able to get through the start up process.

Please follow these steps fully and let us know if you run into any problems at all.

***The only other options I can see are long shots but that would be a blown Power Supply, an improperly seated processor, or bad memory***

As Spike stated, the processor could have been incorrectly put into the motherboard. If that is the case, the processor could be fried as well as the motherboard. We'll cross that bridge if and when we need to cross it.


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19. Jul 29, 2007 2:36 AM in response to: jeddied
Hi Jeddied. Yes, those are the raisers. In my opinion, it would be better to replace the motherboard instead of repair it simply because:
  • there is no way to know exactly how much is wrong with the motherboard.
  • it will cost you more to repair the motherboard than it will to replace the motherboard.

Now, before you run off and get a replacement motherboard, hold off for a second opinion. Spike is very good at finding areas that we may not have discovered.

Also, from whom did you get this motherboard? It may be too late to try and get money back; however, whoever gave/sold you the motherboard may still have the speaker. If so, get this speaker and connect it onto the motherboard. I have a very strong feeling that there may be system beeps that we are missing because there is no speaker.

Also, to answer your last question, if the motherboard is shot, the processor may be, at the very least, corrupted. If you do end up buying another motherboard, I would not install this processor in the new motherboard. I would get another processor as well.

Again, do not get discouraged or upset at yourself or the person who gave/sold you the motherboard. Let's wait for a second opinion. Just to prepare yourself, go to www.newegg.com and start looking into motherboard/processor combination deals. I feel newegg is the least expensive of all online computer parts suppliers and their shipping is very fast.


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20. Jul 30, 2007 7:08 AM in response to: jeddied
MPH has coverd most of the things you can do, I couldn't do a thing without haveing the board here and shipping and labor would be more than a new board and CPU,........so, you need a new board and CPU.

What RAM do have, is it DDR, or, DDR2 ? ( this could also be your problem )

You will also need a new PCI-E X16 Video card.

You will need a new Power supply with a minimum rateing of 500 watts and 26amps

{size:18px}You may also need a new Hard Drive, unless you can prove that the one you have is still good, .................not I think its good, ..........but, you KNOW,.................. beyond a shadow of doubt, ...................it's good,............... as I believe you have problems there, also[/size:0f58602feb]
All these things, are likely in need of replacement, due to ESD, or an electrical dead short short.

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22. Jul 30, 2007 7:11 AM in response to: jeddied
jeddied wrote:Thanks for the opinions guys.


@MPH

To tell honestly... The place where my father worked gave away their equipment. So my father immediately took the motherboard. It wasnt sold to us... So it was given to us for free. And as you have said... Instead of repairing the motherboard I should get a new one to save myself more money. Can i ask the estimated price of a new motherboard with processor? The standard ones.


@Spike

Do i need to buy those DDR, Video card, powersupply and such? I have the RAM that came with the motherboard. Also the hard disk. The power supply is new and i bought an AGP video card.


The faliure of the motherboard, as I explained, was likely due to an electrical fault, and all of the components are now suspect, full replacement MAY be your only alternative, and all the parts you have are SUSPECT, and older form factors, and matching them up with a new motherboard, while possible, is not recomended, and , as I've said , several times, they are likely damaged., keep the hard drive , and connect it to whatever , new, computer you buy, or build, and you MAY, be able to retrive some of the data from it, although doubtful.
The lessons here are. do your research BEFORE you build/buy and ALWAYS USE A WRIST STRAP.
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23. Jul 30, 2007 7:10 AM in response to: jeddied
Hi Jeddied. That is not a question I am prepared to answer. There are so many factors that go into buying a new motherboard and processor combination. One of which is the kind of processor you would like to get.

This link will give you all of the available motherboard and processor combinations available on newegg.com sorted by price.

If you do not care what socket type you get or anything like that, this sort would be good for you. If you want to learn more about any one of combinations, you can click on each one to learn more.


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24. Jul 30, 2007 7:17 AM in response to: jeddied
As always, I'd recommend that before you do your final part purchases online, get an anti-static wrist band if you don't already have one. It will save you from trouble down the road.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899888207

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899261005

Carry on.....

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26. Jul 30, 2007 7:29 AM in response to: jeddied
quote:612af8ec9dWill the computer short even if i didnt even plugged it to the electricity outlet?[/quote:612af8ec9d]

Most likely.

quote:612af8ec9dAnd can i still use the video card that I bought?[/quote:612af8ec9d]

IF that video card is AGP, you must make sure that you get a motherboard with an AGP slot, Not PCI-Express. But like Spike mentioned earlier, you MAY need a new video card as well, resulting in Not using that AGP video card, as it may be fried.
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28. Jul 30, 2007 7:31 AM in response to: jeddied
quote:e46ef6ede8quote="jeddied"Will the computer short even if i didnt even plugged it to the electricity outlet?[/quote:e46ef6ede8]

Yes, thats what ESD is,

E S D = electrostatic discharge, = static electricity= computer DEATH

quote:e46ef6ede8And can i still use the video card that I bought?[/quote:e46ef6ede8]

AGP cards are on the way out, and future support is , questionable, if you're going for a new motherboard, ditch the AGP and go with a modern PCI-E 8)

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