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66 Replies Last post: Aug 3, 2007 9:13 PM by rgreen4   Go to original post 1 2 3 4 5 Previous Next
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30. Aug 2, 2007 12:29 PM in response to: louise83_MW
Louise, you are driving in circles. Let me try and explain it this way. As long as you have not adversely affected the BIOS, you have to access the BIOS
To do this, when you restart your computer, immediately tap one of these keys:
  • Delete
  • Tab
  • F1
  • F2

Once you get into the BIOS, look for the Boot Priority section and setup the boot priority so that the CD drive is first.

Once you do that, put the Recovery CD in the CD drive, push F10 to accept the changes, and restart the computer.

Once the computer restarts, you will be prompted to push any key to boot from CD. This will start the recovery process.

You *DO NOT HAVE *a XP Pro Operating System from which to complete the installation. For this, you would need the valid product key.

Once you go through the recovery/installation process, you will no longer have XP Pro of which to concern yourself.

Louise, please, for the love of all that is good and just, call the manufacturer and confirm which Recovery CD is right for you. Verify what we have all said with the technician to which you speak.


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31. Aug 2, 2007 12:37 PM in response to: louise83_MW
mphenterprises wrote:Louise, you are driving in circles. Let me try and explain it this way. As long as you have not adversely affected the BIOS, you have to access the BIOS

To do this, when you restart your computer, immediately tap one of these keys:

  • Delete

  • Tab

  • F1

  • F2


Once you get into the BIOS, look for the Boot Priority section and setup the boot priority so that the CD drive is first.


Once you do that, put the Recovery CD in the CD drive, push F10 to accept the changes, and restart the computer.


Once the computer restarts, you will be prompted to push any key to boot from CD. This will start the recovery process.


You *DO NOT HAVE *a XP Pro Operating System from which to complete the installation. For this, you would need the valid product key.


Once you go through the recovery/installation process, you will no longer have XP Pro of which to concern yourself.


Louise, please, for the love of all that is good and just, call the manufacturer and confirm which Recovery CD is right for you. Verify what we have all said with the technician to which you speak.


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32. Aug 2, 2007 12:58 PM in response to: louise83_MW
I would suggest that the poster ask the support guys for his/her computer about the recovery disks and whether or not they will work. It would appear that the hidden recovery partition should be using the same or similar process to the recovery disks he/she can order. If so, then the recovery disks may not work.

It all depends on how the recovery disks (and partition) work. I agree that it appears that somehow the Windoze XP Pro got intstalled...either partially or fully. It woud further appear that if Windoze XP Pro is installed, it is preventing the recovery partition from operating. The impression from that website giving instruction for the recovery partition method imply that you can reinstall Windoze and the original programs but NOT lose your files. This might mean that it needs to detect an appropriate (if damaged) version of Windoze. Or maybe the presence of Windoze XP Pro is confusing it. If so, the recovery CDs/DVDs might have the same problem.

My suggestion would be to try and wipe the boot partition WITHOUT wiping the recovery partition...and then try the recovery partition again. If there is in fact Windoze XP Pro on the boot partiion and its presence is messing with the recovery partitions' ability to function, then reformatting the boot parition might cure that problem. The only downside is that if he/she had files that they wanted, they would be gone.


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34. Aug 2, 2007 3:10 PM in response to: louise83_MW
louise83 wrote:Now you have assured me I CAN boot from the recovery CD's without being taken back to the XP Pro installation I feel a bit better, but am concerned about what smax013 says. So I may be back where I started (unless of course his suggestion works).


smrax013 - Is that likely to work? How do I wipe the boot partition? If System recovery still doesn't work where does that leave me? Would recovery discs (Full plus upgrade) work afterwards?


Or is it possible, since I CAN boot from another CD, that I could borrow XP mce CD to boot from and do a complete install without completing the XP Pro installation?


I honestly don't know if wiping the boot partiion will help or not. It is what I would likely try as my next step (assuming I was not worried about data files on the drive...if I had data files on the drive that I needed/want, I would first see if I could get those files OFF the drive) if this were my situation.

I also honestly don't know if you will have a problem with the recovery CD/DVD option or not. From my experience making use of recovery disks (and partitions), it should not be a problem...but then neither should your recovery partition (unless it is somehow damaged). It is possible that the recovery process needs to somehow recognize Windoze MCE on the computer in order to proceed. I just don't know. The best person to ask would be the tech support folks for your computer, and even then you might not get a good answer.

If you want to try the wiping of the boot partiion, then you should be able to do it by booting with a Windoze installation CD and there should be a format option, I believe. But, I don't recall exactly off the top of my head.

If you can get a real Windoze XP MCE install disk, you could try booting from it, formatting the drive (i.e. wiping the boot drive) and installing Windoze XP MCE from it. The only thing to be careful of is which "type" of disk it is. I don't believe an "upgrade" disk will work. And you might need an OEM install disk if your Windoze XP MCE key is an OEM key (based upon what others have said on the forum in the past).

My best suggestion is along the lines of the others...first call the technical support folks and talk to them about you problem. They should be able to tell you if the recovery disks will work. If they say they will work, then you could either do that now or try some of the other options and use the recovery disks as a second to last option.

As I said, if it were me, I would wipe the boot parition and try the F10 recovery again.

A question...when you tried the F10 recovery, which option did you try? Did you try the recovery with saving your data? Or did you try the option with "quick format"? Which screen version did you get? The link that I gave that you had to paste in gives two different possible screens. One has an advanced button and the other does not but list a couple of options...one being the "quick format" option. If you have not tried the "quick format"/advance option, I would try that...but be aware that your data files will be toast.


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35. Aug 2, 2007 3:49 PM in response to: louise83_MW
smax013 wrote:A question...when you tried the F10 recovery, which option did you try? Did you try the recovery with saving your data? Or did you try the option with "quick format"? Which screen version did you get? The link that I gave that you had to paste in gives two different possible screens. One has an advanced button and the other does not but list a couple of options...one being the "quick format" option. If you have not tried the "quick format"/advance option, I would try that...but be aware that your data files will be toast.

That is a very good and valid question. However, the bigger question is this...Louise, if you are so concerned about the information you are receiving, why have you not called the one location that has the answers for your specific computer? It is still boggling my mind how we have all spent a good portion of the afternoon trying to convince you to contact the computer manufacturer. That is not an exaggeration. Today's posts started at 11:30am EST. It is not almost 7:00pm EST and you still have not contacted the manufacturer. I can understand that the UK is 5 hours ahead of the Eastern Time Zone but I doubt any computer manufacturer closes at 4:30pm your time (when today's posts started). That is what leads me to believe something is amiss.

I can understand that you have received varying information from different sources. I just cannot understand why you seem to literally refuse to contact the manufacturer.


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36. Aug 2, 2007 6:02 PM in response to: louise83_MW
Recovery
Louise - I want to recap what this forum has told you in a short way. What you have is a corruped disc.

You have tried the F10 option to access the recovory partition. It has not worked.

You now have two options only and they both begin with FORMAT THE HD.

Then you can a) order the recovery discs from the support site. These recovery disc are most likely NOT full install discs but IMAGE discs. My desktop came with XP Media Edition 2005. The recovery DVD's can be used to fulling restore a HD to the As Shipped condition. You can even restore the OS onto a new larger HD, and will even install the recovey partition. I have done it. (Before I upgraded to Vista). It will also install the original "free" software that was installed and all the drivers.

The recovery discs from the support group is not only your least expensive option, it is the most effective as it will include all the drivers that were on the HD initially.

Starting the PC from the DVD drive with Disc 1 will format the HD, after warning you that you are about to lose data (you have probably alreadly lost any data not backed up).

Option 2 with is more expensive is to purchase a full installation XP disc and use it to format and install XP (Home or Pro as they DO NOT sell retail versions of XP Media Edition). You will then have to seek out and install the appropriate drivers, and finding which drivers are needed can be the challenge. Windows will attempt to identify devices and install generic drivers, but the description in Device Manager may not be enough to completely identify the devices.

You single best, least expensive option is the Recovery Discs. Be thankful you do have that option, may users do not. I was initally afraid until you found the actual listing for your machine that you did not either.

Those who tell you that you must complete the installation are incorrect. Format cures most software ills on a HD.


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37. Aug 2, 2007 6:12 PM in response to: louise83_MW
Re: Recovery
rgreen4 wrote:Louise - I want to recap what this forum has told you in a short way. What you have is a corruped disc.


You have tried the F10 option to access the recovory partition. It has not worked.


You now have two options only and they both begin with FORMAT THE HD.


Then you can a) order the recovery discs from the support site. These recovery disc are most likely NOT full install discs but IMAGE discs. My desktop came with XP Media Edition 2005. The recovery DVD's can be used to fulling restore a HD to the As Shipped condition. You can even restore the OS onto a new larger HD, and will even install the recovey partition. I have done it. (Before I upgraded to Vista). It will also install the original "free" software that was installed and all the drivers.


The recovery discs from the support group is not only your least expensive option, it is the most effective as it will include all the drivers that were on the HD initially.


Starting the PC from the DVD drive with Disc 1 will format the HD, after warning you that you are about to lose data (you have probably alreadly lost any data not backed up).


Option 2 with is more expensive is to purchase a full installation XP disc and use it to format and install XP (Home or Pro as they DO NOT sell retail versions of XP Media Edition). You will then have to seek out and install the appropriate drivers, and finding which drivers are needed can be the challenge. Windows will attempt to identify devices and install generic drivers, but the description in Device Manager may not be enough to completely identify the devices.


You single best, least expensive option is the Recovery Discs. Be thankful you do have that option, may users do not. I was initally afraid until you found the actual listing for your machine that you did not either.


Those who tell you that you must complete the installation are incorrect. Format cures most software ills on a HD.


I believe rgreen to be right on point.

The only modification that I might suggest is to re-look at which recovery method you used when trying the recovery partition. I suspect that if you choose the "save your data files" way, having the corrupt/incomplete Windoze XP Pro installation may have stymied that method (pure speculation on my part without know how the recovery software/method works). I would suggest trying the "quick format" method that is referred to in the instructions on the web page that I provided but could not create link for (you must paste the link into your browser). If (and this is a big "if") your recovery partition is not corrupted or broken, then this would run the process that rgreen describes for the image DVD recovery disks...i.e. format the drive and then install the original drive image...and you would not need to pay anything. And if that does work, then I would STRONGLY encourage you to follow the instructions on that page to create a set of recovery disks for potential future need.

If, however, your recovery partition is corrupted, then then this will not work and rgreen's suggestions are your best bet.


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39. Aug 3, 2007 7:31 AM in response to: louise83_MW
Louise, you are not being annoying. In this industry, there is no such thing as annoying. Here is what we have all been saying. Just in this forum alone, you have been given a lot of information. Even though we are telling you the correct steps to get your computer up and running, you need to get clarification for yourself. The only clear cut way that you will get clarification is to contact the one place that knows your specific computer the best.

I understand your funds may not be available right now. However, you are going to keep going around in circles until you make that call. Once you find out the difference between those two recovery CDs, and get clarification as to what you need to do with your specific computer, you can proceed with the upmost ease.

However, and here is my opinion, if you continue to ask the same questions, you are going to frustrate yourself even further. Everyone in here wants to help you get your computer back in working order but you really need to bite the bullet and call the manufacturer, at least just to find the differences between the two CDs.


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41. Aug 3, 2007 8:35 AM in response to: louise83_MW
1) No

2) No

3) No
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42. Aug 3, 2007 8:30 AM in response to: louise83_MW
Louise, see, there you go around in a circle again. Initially, you told us that there was only one Recovery CD. Then, you gave us this link:

http://support.thetechguys.com//recoverymedia/

which shows two options. Now, you give us another link that references only one Recovery CD. Please, I believe everyone in this forum has given you all the information, several times over. Call the manufacturer and get the information directly from them. You are not doing yourself any good by continuing to ask the same questions.


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44. Aug 3, 2007 8:38 AM in response to: louise83_MW
what he says ,....and what YOU can do( with out causing more problems) are 2 different things :cry: You're struggleing with esoteric, symantics,...do you believe you could efectively, and accurately , carry out a highly technical, command line procedure?, or afford to purchase and accurately execute a third party , partioning program?????