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Click to view Kooler's profile New Member 49 posts since
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Aug 31, 2007 3:37 PM

New MacBookPro & Brand-New Mac User Needs Some Help


Hello-

I have some questions that I am hoping someone can advise me on or refer me to another location. I am awaiting my new MBP and accessories that are being shipped out one item at a time. What an unfortunate beginning to the Mac World, but anyway, I have managed to get the Mighty Mouse, the Extreme Base Station, the Neoprene sleeve (spelling??), the VMFusion is on its way, and I have not heard about the computer. So, I made this purchase all by myself for my small business after sending a Sony Vaio and ThinkPadT61 back. I could not deal with the hassle and all the programs, pop ups asking me to sign up, etc. so I took a friend's advice and have the Mac coming. I would eventually like to have the same kind of set-up I have had for years with the Gateway but one night the Gateway just stopped working. I would like the notebook, with a safe wireless connection and the option to have high speed Ethernet cable connection (I need the cable for some work that is very confidential, so I am assuming the Ethernet connection would be better) and a wireless mouse and a decent headset with a mic to conduct some special work I do.

I received the Extreme Base Station (I have no idea why I purchased this as it seems to be for someone with many internet connections and/or computers in a location) and Bose headset and the Mighty Mouse. I want to try and install the XP from my notebook that dies or purchase Vista and use VMFusion to help with that. I would one day like to be able to use the notebook (Mac OS or Microsoft OS) and have a good experience. I am not the best when it comes to this high tech stuff, which is one of the reasons I was turned onto Apple.

Is there anybody who can help me utilize the Extreme Base Station and the MBP with the Fusion and transfer my data from the hard drive on the Gateway that died. I really have no idea where to begin. I did not get the 4gb RAM but might upgrade if the fitness and nutrition and Microsoft OS demands too much and hinders the use of the MBP. I did not get the 17" screen but I did get the 160GB HD and 7200 or 7400 (I think it is) speed. I really have no idea why but I thought it might help if I ever get all set-up and am working while multi tasking with Microsoft Programs and Mac's programs.

I would like some information how a single guy living all alone can get a good Internet connection when the notebook arrives. Do I need an outside service provider for this? It might sound stupid but the apple site and the Reviews made it sound like the Extreme Base Station was sop incredible that an outside service would not even be needed. Nor would any Program for viruses, spy ware, encryption, etc. I really do not know about this in regards to a Mac.

OK, I probably asked way too much, but maybe some advice will help me once I get the MBP. I am assuming the wireless mouse uses Bluetooth but I am not sure. I should have got a Bluetooth headset but I did not think about this when I purchased the Bose that is on AppleStore.coms website.

Thanks tons and have an awesome weekend.

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Click to view smax013's profile Member Moderators 3,534 posts since
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1. Aug 31, 2007 4:48 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: New MacBookPro & Brand-New Mac User Needs Some Help

I am not sure if I picked up on all your questions, so you might have to ask some specific questions in a future post if I don't deal with them.


As to some of the specific questions that I did see...


Yes, the Apple wireless Mighty Mouse is a Bluetooth mouse. I will work with the built-in Bluetooth. There is no extra hardware needed.


Yes, you will need some sort of broandband connection to use with the MacBook Pro (MBP) and the Airport Extreme Base Station (AEBS). The AEBS will serve three functions for you: 1) provide a firewall of sorts whether you are hooked to it by wireless or wired; 2) it will allow you to hook more than one computer to your broadband connection whether by wired or wireless; and 3) it will allow you to connect to your broadband connection using a wireless connection. Thus, you will need to have a DSL or cable modem service (or T1 if you want to spend more money...but DSL and cable at the two typical...there are other options). If you don't have broadband service, then you won't have an Internet connection.


You don't necessarily need programs for viruses, spyware, malwares, etc on the Mac side of things, but I personally run anti-virus software and a software firewall on my Macs. You will still need such things on the Windoze side of things whether you are running Windoze in VMWare Fusion or Parallels or Boot Camp. In either of those cases, when running Windoze, it is no different than running Windoze on your Gateway or a Sony or a Dell (other than how it might actually be setup to run). Thus, for your Windoze installation, you will want a software firewall, anti-virus software, spyware software, etc. As to encryption, that is purely a matter of whether or not you want to "lock" your files in case someone gets their hands on your computer (i.e. it is stolen). If you have sensitive data on either the Mac side or the Windoze side, then you might want to consider encryption or something similar.


As to transfering the data from the Gateway, is it completely dead (i.e. will not start up at all)? What model Gateway is it? If it is completely dead, then you will likely want to get an external hard drive enclosure. This would allow you to take out the hard drive from the Gateway, put it into the enclosure, and then attached the enclosed drive to the MBP with a USB (or maybe Firewire) port and copy the data over. If the Gateway will boot up, then you could attach both computers to the AEBS and then share the Gateway's hard drive across your little home network and copy the files over.


As to installing your copy of Windoze XP that came with your Gateway laptop, technically I am not sure if that is legal or not. It might also be technically difficult if they did not provide you with an actual install disk but instead just supplied restore/recovery disks. You might need to order a new license for Windoze.


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3. Sep 2, 2007 4:14 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: New MacBookPro & Brand-New Mac User Needs Some Help
Kooler wrote:
I think you did pretty well. I have no idea what your last sentence means.
Which sentence do you mean?

Kooler wrote:

I am not clear on the wireless connection either. let me tell you some experiences and why I am not clear and maybe you can help me from these examples. when I had the ThinkPad T61, I plugged it in and clicked an icon I had no idea what it was for that was near the clock. it brought up a window that showed all the connections and the distance they are fro me. it even showed a Hot Spot at a coffee shop about 25 miles away. I was able to connect to any one of these. I was a bit scared to, if that is the right word, but I did try it and I used that connection to register the computer, etc.
I kind of doubt that you picked up a WiFi hotspot that was 25 miles away...unless there was some weird atmospheric phenomenon or the coffee place had an EXTREMELY powerful antenna hooked up. Most WiFi antennas will only go hundreds of yards and maybe up to a thousand yards or so. You can get stronger antennas that will take it up to a mile or so, but beyond that is rather difficult to do.


In general, you will always be able to use open WiFi networks. They will typically show up as available on your computer that is equipped with WiFi. You then typically have to decide if you will join any of those networks or not. You can typically select a setting that will automatically join the most "available" WiFi network, but that is usually not advisable. You should leave set such that YOU make the choice as to whether or not to join an available WiFi network. You should only join a network that you know and trust.

Kooler wrote:

So, after reading about the Extreme base station and that the MBP already has the wifi chip or whatever it is called in it, I will be able to get a secure connection just by the fact that I am using the base Station. However, this is not my style so if this is not the norm, I will get my own.

What I did not follow you on was the Base Station. I will try to explained as simple as I can. I would like to have the ability to go wireless at home or hook up to the Ethernet cable connection. is this something the Extreme Base Station can help me with? I do not understand wireless especially seeing what I could do with the ThinkPad and how Hot Spots work. When I read the reviews for this Extreme Base Station there were people talking about how you can hook up wireless printers so one or many computers can use the same printer without wires, that you can get itunes to come through (I assumed the Extreme Base Station but that may sound stupid now), and at least be able to have a secured wireless and cable connection to the internet at the same time. I am not sure if I want to have the ability to have them both running simultaneously but I though this Extreme would allow me to have a wireless connection and a port for the Ethernet cable connection that also goes to my computer. There is some work that I cannot ethically do wireless so I need the ability to go total cable high speed.

The basestation will not by default provide an Internet connection. You will still need something like DSL or a cable modem. I am assuming that you have some sort of connection right now so that you can post to the forum. Is it DSL or cable modem or dial-up or satelite? Or are you at some coffee shop or library?

If you have DSL or cable modem, there should be an ethernet cable that is currently either coming out of the DSL/cable modem directly to your computer or to a broadband router (if the later, then there will be an ethernet cable going from the router to your computer). You would take that cable and plug it into the WAN port of the Airport Extreme basestation. This will give the AEBS an Internet connection. You can then connect the AEBS to a computer using an ethernet cable and the computer can then have Internet access (assuming that your AEBS is setup properly). Since the AEBS has three LAN ports, you can have upto three computers with a wired Internet connection (you can have more if you buy an additional network switch or hub, but that is a whole other matter). You can also have the WiFi connection setup to allow multiple computers to have a wireless connection to the AEBS. So, the point is that you can have multiple wired and wireless computers connect to the Internet at the same time with the AEBS.

Kooler wrote:

The Gateway is old and I have all the disks. I did remove the HD, and a friend copied the contents to a double layer DVD. I had no idea what happened to the Gateway. maybe it could have been fixed. it dill did make some noise when I plugged it in and booted it up but they were not normal noises.
If you have your files on DVD, then you will be able to copy them to your new computer when you get it. You will just have to decide which side of things you want to copy them to...the Mac side or the Windoze side.


My suggestion is that you might want consider hiring a computer consultant to help you with your setup. I am guessing that we could struggle through it by you asking questions on the forum and me (and others) answering, but this is NOT an idea format for a lot of things. I am guessing that we will spin our wheels quite a few times and it will take much longer and maybe more frustrating that if you just pay a computer consultant to help you out directly. I am certainly glad to try to help, but you will likely get up and running quicker with less frustration if you hire a computer consultant. Preferably, you want to hire someone who will walk you through some of this stuff right there with you.


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5. Sep 2, 2007 4:39 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: New MacBookPro & Brand-New Mac User Needs Some Help
Kooler wrote:
maybe it was because I double posted. I have no idea, believe it or not, how I did that. The sentence was on both of your posts, even the one where you slapped my hands for posting in 2 places the same post


"Have you had your daily Shamelss Mac Plug TM? It keeps the Windoze away! " is what I have no idea what you are saying.

I will read your other stuff now. Thanks man!

That is just my signature. It is my warped humor attempt at "tweaking" the Windoze zealots. It is my easy way to do my daily shameless plug for a Mac. Since you have come over the side of light and justice by buying a Mac, it does not apply as much to you! ;-)


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7. Sep 2, 2007 5:55 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: New MacBookPro & Brand-New Mac User Needs Some Help

I got a little lost as the quotation stuff got a little screwed up...let's see if I can address your concerns questions...


First of all, the Airport Extreme Basestation. It is a router with a built-in WiFi access point. It does NOT by default provide an Internet connection. It is PURELY a means to connect to an existing broadband (DSL, cable modem, or satelite...or if you want to spend a lot of money T1) connection. As I believe I mentioned before it will do three basic things: 1) create a little internal network of wired and wirelss computers and then "negotiate" the traffic from your internal network with the Internet...this function will allow you to have more than one computer connecting to the Internet at one time using your Internet connection; 2) provide some hardware firewall protection for your internal network...it basically "hides" your computers on the internal network from those on the Internet; and 3) provides a way to wirelessly connect to your cable/DSL modem and get a connection to the Internet. Think of it as a glorified cable (even though there will be no cable between it and your computer when you use the wireless mode)...it does not actually provide the Internet connection, but rather allows you to connect to the cable/DSL modem in either a wired or wireless way so that you can use your Internet connection. Think of a cordless phone. If you don't have telephone service, a cordless phone will not let you make phone calls. You must still have telephone service in order to make a phone call with the cordless phone. Now, in the case of the cordless phone, the basestation of the cordless phone is like the Airport Extreme Basestation. The handset is like your MacBook Pro. If I gave you my old cordless phone handset but did not give you the basestation that goes with it, then it would be useless to you. The cordless phone handset has no way to connect to your phone service without the phone's basestation. The same is true of the MacBook Pro if you want to connect to YOUR Internet connection wirelessly...no wireless router (aka Airport Extreme basestation), no wireless connection to your Internet connection. Now, imagine that the cordless phone handset that I gave you can somehow connect to your neighbor's phone's basestation. That is basically what happens when your laptop detects another wireless network...you are connecting to someone else's wireless basestation/access point and using THEIR Internet connection.


Now, as to setting up the WiFi network, you can setup security for the WiFi network that you can setup with the Airport Extreme. This will provide some level of security. But, it is something that is not necessarily to overly robust. I would not do financial transactions over wireless unless you have additional measures setup and even then I would hesitate. Many hospitals will not use WiFi and if they do, then they typically make use of VPN tunnels and other additional security measures in addtion to built-in WiFi security.


Now, ignore the Airport Extreme Basestation for a moment. Imagine that you did not get it. Your MacBook Pro still has an Airport Extreme card which will allow you to connect to wireless networks that others setup. This could be one at an airport, a hotel, a local coffee shop, or even one that your neighbor operates. If you connect to someone's wireless network without their permission (even if they are dumb enough to leave it unprotected), then you could be breaking the law depending ordinances and laws in your area. Many businesses setup public wireless networks for their customers to use for free or for a free. My local Wendy's has a free WiFi network that you can use while downing a Frosty. You first of all want to be VERY careful which public WiFi networks you use. Some nefarious people setup so-called "ad-hoc" networks that look like real free public networks, but are really there to use to steal personal information off of your computer. And even if you do use a true public network, you want to be REAL careful what you do when you do use it. Don't do financial stuff (no account number, not credit card numbers). Don't go to websites that require you to login, unless you don't care if someone gets the password and logs into that website with your ID (i.e. they cannot get any sensative information). Don't do any confidential stuff on that network.


As to anti-virus and other malware programs, in theory you don't need them for a Mac (assuming for the moment that you are NOT running Windoze on your Mac). If you are only running Mac OS stuff, you are rather safe from viruses at this time...and you can reasonably go without anti-virus software. Heck, you are likely safe enough to not run a software firewall if only doing Mac stuff. I, however, tend to lean on the cautious side and run a Mac anti-virus program and a software firewall.

Having said that, you will be running Windoze on your Mac. It sounds as if you will be running it under VMWare Fusion. When you run Windoze in that manner, there is virtually NO difference than running a Windoze PeeCee laptop. It is running Windoze and that Windoze installion is subject to Windoze viruses, malware, spyware, etc. Thus, you will want to be running anti-virus/anti-spyware/anti-malware programs within Windoze under Fusion. You wil also want to run a Windoze firewall in Windoze under Fusion. Think of it as anything that you would be running on the Lenovo or Sony laptops that you returned, you will want to be runnign on Windoze on this Mac.


As to running your Fitness and Nutrition programs, you will need to install those programs in Windoze under Fusion. I have never used Fusion, but I am assuming that is similar to Parallels. If so, then you will create a virtual hard drive (a hard drive image...basically a large files that resides on the Mac's hard drive that then acts as the hard drive for Windoze when you run Fusion) and that is where you programs will be installed once you install them and where you can copy over your existing data files from the DVD to use with the programs. You can use an external drive with Windoze under Fusion, but most program do NOT run well from an external drive in Windoze. They still need to install a few program files in the Windoze directory, which will located on that virtual drive.


As to easy of setup, that is generally true. If you were just buying a Mac to use for browsing and email and word processing and did not intend to install Windoze, then setting it up would be rather easy and straight forward. But, you are doing something a little more complex then what most people who get a Mac will do. So, it will not be as straight forward as is typically assumed.


As to printers, many printers will work. They just need to have a Mac driver for it. There are many Mac drivers for printers built into the Mac OS, but some of the newer printers might not be included. If they work with a Mac, then they will either come with a driver disk or you will be able to download a driver from the manufacturer's website. There are really not a lot of Bluetooth printers out there. It has just not caught on. There are, however, some printers with built-in WiFi connections. Some of HP's all-in-one printers have built-in WiFi connections.


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8. Sep 8, 2007 6:36 AM in response to: Kooler
Re: New MacBookPro & Brand-New Mac User Needs Some Help
Hi,

You have a lot of questions.
I really suggest that you go to an Apple Store so you will get expert advice.

E-mail isn't going to cut it, you're going to need expert
assistance and these types of forums will complicate things because it's too slow and you may get erroneous information and the time delay would be very frustrating to get responses. You need someone to be there with your computer.

Did you buy it online or at a store? Find the nearest store (apple website search) for this (likely) one time initial configuration.
This way you are using your new warranty (tech support), and getting expert advice.
The Apple rep.s are very friendly and are trained to understand not to speak in "geek" speak - unless you are able to understand the more advanced computer technologies in which case they can gear up the conversation.

Apple's approach has always been to make computers for "the rest of us". That's not to say Mac users are "dumber" than Windows users (hardly) it's just a better approach to "average" people (not nerds) that already have a profession or other talent. The PC geeks don't seem to comprehend this.
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10. Sep 8, 2007 6:12 PM in response to: Kooler
Re: New MacBookPro & Brand-New Mac User Needs Some Help
Kooler wrote:

As to your comment about apple store I have not gotten any help from them. I called several times because getting to their store is a nightmare due to my neurological condition.I wanted to know if it matters in what order I install VMFusion, iLife, and iWork. he said he can transfer me to apple care. i just thought I would try to get as many questions answered before the machine gets here because I will have to put it right to work.
OK...that one is an easy one...it does not matter at all in which order you install iLife, iWork, and VMFusion. You will actually have a version of iLife installed on the MacBook Pro when it arrives...it just might not be the newest version (which might be good...some folks are not to happy with the changes that Apple has done in iMoive '08). You will also have a version of iWork installed as a trial version...again, probably not the new version that was just released...depending on when your MacBook Pro was built and had the software installed.


Regardless, there are three seperate software packages and thus, you can install them in ANY order. The only installation order thing to be aware of is that you will not be able to install Windoze until you first install VMWare Fusion...unless you want to run Windoze in Boot Camp.

Kooler wrote:

I might have missed your point. I know too that they will try to transfer my data but since I did not buy it there, they will have to charge me $75, and they are not sure that it can be done. A friend did copy my hard drive onto a double layer DVD. he said I only was using about 25% of my hard drive.

I do not understand why I cannot take the hard drive from the Gateway and hook it up to the MBP and just use it under VMFusion like all the external hard drives you see out in stores now. Installing all the programs is going to be a pain. I have to get in contact with the companies and get another install key code.

You can use the hard drive with MacBook Pro with Windoze in VMWare Fusion in an external drive enclosure...but you will not be able to run your existing programs off of it without MAJOR difficulty. Windoze programs tend to sprinkle various files needed for the program to run all over the Windoze directory of the Windoze boot drive as well as making entries into the Windoze Registry. Thus, in order for a program to run, it needs to be "installed" on the boot drive. And unfortunately it is rather difficult to get Windoze to boot off of an external drive (Macs have no problem booting off external drives into the Mac OS). Thus, you are more than likely forced to re-install your Windoze programs in Windoze in Fusion. I will note that this would NO different if you had stuck with a Windoze PeeCee laptop. Using an external drive to run your programs on a Windoze PeeCee would be just as hard as trying to run them on the MacBook Pro in Fusion.


Now, I am not saying that it cannot be done...but if you were to get it to work (and that is a BIG if), it would take a lot of complicated work that I would not likely be able to walk you through by way of forum message posts.

Kooler wrote:

I appreciate your input. However I have reached a point that if you do not have the time, or for some reason the desire to help me with one, two, three or how ever many questions, just pass me by. Telling me to go to the apple store does not help me. it is something I know is available to me but for now, I will hopefully get people who like to help people and give correct advice.
I will be here to answer what questions that I can for as long as it takes or until I believe that we are completely spinning our wheels for what ever reason. I will still second the other posters advice...if you can get to an Apple Store, then it might help expedite things some for you. Like it or not, question and answers by email and forum posts is not the most efficient method, especially for someone with as many questions as you like to ask. Sometimes, face to face is much better. The folks at the Apple Store will help some without having to pay for services. There are certainly some things that you would have to pay for, but Apple Stores are rather well known for being helpful. If I remember, however, you are in Hawaii...thus, I could see that your Apple Store options could be limited if you are in Hawaii and don't live on Oahu (the only two Apple Stores in Hawaii are in Honolulu). There are some authorized service providers on the other islands...they might offer setup/help services.


Regardless, I will be here if you have questions.


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