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22 Replies Last post: Sep 21, 2007 2:22 PM by bkboggy   1 2 Previous Next
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Sep 12, 2007 6:17 PM

Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))


Hi,

So, with the more demanding games I guess it is time to upgrading few components on my 3.4GHz HT Dell XPS. It is using ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 128MB Card, 512MB of RAM and 60GB HD. It appears that my laptop's card is upgradable, so thank god for that (Gen2 XPS's are not).

Here's a bit more detail on what my current components are:

RAM: Dual in-line memory module, 256, 400, 32x64, 8k, 200

HD: 60GB, 9.5MM, 5.4K, Hitachi, IBM Moraga

Video Card: Card (Circuit), Graphics, ATI Technologies Inc, M11, 128MB, 9100


Got them off Dell website, so not sure what some of the things mean, but maybe for someone who knows more than I do it will help.


Also, I looked on Dell website just to look at what kind of RAM and HD (they didn't have Video Cards) I can get:

1GB Stick would be: DDR 200-PIN SODIMM, PC2700/333 MHz, 128x64, 1GB DDR SDRAM, Notebook, Non-ECC, Unbuffered

x2 1GB Sticks would be: 200-PIN SODIMM, PC2700/333 MHz, 2 UNITS, NON-ECC, UNBUFFERED, SO DIMM 200-PIN, 2X1 GB, DRAM, NON-ECC, 128X64, NOTEBOOK, DDR SDRAM.

HD: 750 GB 7200 RPM DRIVESTATION SERIAL ATA USB 2.0 EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE (Not sure if they mean as laptop hard drive or actual external hard drive....)

But, I'm sure there's better RAM and HD for my laptop. I'm just not very sure what I can put in and what's good out there. So I kind of put these ones out there for comparasent.


Help me out guys! :)


~BK

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Click to view jbking's profile Member 967 posts since
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1. Sep 12, 2007 9:07 PM in response to: bkboggy
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))

You do realize that there are limits in terms of the RAM that your motherboard will run and the best that is out there right? The highest speed RAM out there would be incompatible and so then you'd have to get a new motherboard to support that type, which may be DDR3 in some cases and DDR2 in others I'd think. Similarly, are you sure that the video card is upgradeable in that laptop?

Regards,

JB


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2. Sep 12, 2007 9:19 PM in response to: jbking
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))
Hi JBKing. I assisted BK with his or her initial problem. Look over this Discussion. Without actually seeing the laptop, I am 95% positive the video card is upgradeable. There is a reference link on the second page of that Discussion that verifies this.


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3. Sep 12, 2007 9:27 PM in response to: bkboggy
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))
you want the best of the best if your into hardcore gaming


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4. Sep 12, 2007 9:54 PM in response to: mphenterprises
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))

Upgradable as opposed to replacable video cards require two things. First a socket to make the card removable and second a card with improved graphics capability to fit that socket. Checking our favorite online mega store, I find no available video cards that fit any socket other than the desktop sockets.

I can find nothing on ATI's site about the Radeon Mobility 9700 being upgradable. Everything is software and driver related. This chip may be mounted on a daughterboard to facilitate replacement, it may not in fact be upgradable.


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6. Sep 13, 2007 12:39 AM in response to: bkboggy
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))

Major manufacturers such as Dell and HP have model numbers for their systems, but then they have a more unique number. Dell calls theirs the service tag number and HP calls theirs the product number. This number denotes the exact configuration of a particular computer. A specific model can have multiple service tags or product numbers. This is not the serial number which you should never post.

Mph has already done some research and you have as well. I found this webpage which more or less confirms the previous postings on memory.

From the specifications, it appears to be the exact same memory as my HP zv5330, except I could only put one in mine. The price of one module from Dell is about the same as the one I got directly from HP. The next problem after you confirm on the Dell website by entering your service tag no, is do you get the memory from Dell, or do you attempt to save money by going 3rd party sourcing. Many memory manufacturers off memory, and if I were going to go 3rd party, I definitely would not go lowest price.


Memory is an area where one can save too much money. A few dollars saved on memory could cost more in returned parts because they just did not perform correctly. When I upgraded my laptop, I struggled to find what I though was an exact match, and finally decided that while it was more expensive to get the memory from the OEM manufacturer, it was safer. The memory they sell for your machine will definitely work in your machine. Considering the pricing of the one versus two, I think it would be a no-brainer to go two.


Hard drives, that is a different matter. I would definitely go third party. The dell website lists only a refurbished 40GB HD, so that is not a good deal. It did say the HD ships with a carrier and header, which would lead me to thing they use a special connector that fits on the pins on the end of the drive similar to the device on my HP drive. I was able to find a spare from a jobber that deals in laptop parts - Impact Computer in Florida. Dell lists the drive as a Fujitsu Z40P, 9.5MM thick and 5400 RPM. I have an 80GB as my operating drive in my HP replace the original Hitachi of the same specs. These are 2.5" wide drives and while in the laptop sturdy, but very fragile when outside. Weight is an enemy in laptop designs, so the tops of these drives are very thin and carry a warned not to press down on them, lest you damage the drive.


Newegg carries a line of 2.5" IDE interface drives that are suitable in your machine. Depending on how large you want to go, you can get one for anywhere from $55 for a replacement 80GB (Hitachi) to $95 for a 160GB (Hitachi) or $100 for a Seagate 120GB. When choosing on Newegg, the interface is actually listed as ATA-6. You will see AT listed in a lot of specs (MB's and Cases listed as ATX for example) as these interfaces, sizes & etc first came into being with the IBM PC-AT in the 80's. You will also sometimes see IDE (integrated drive electronics) listed as PATA (Parallel ATA). This is not the same as SATA. Do not confuse the two.


While any ATA-6 or IDE 2.5" HD is compatible, there is apparently a header connector on the HD. These drive have 48 pins on the end arranged in two groups, on of 44 pins (2x22) and this will be where the header if present is connected. The other group is 4 pins (2x2) and may have a jumper to select master or slave. I have found this jumper is not necessary in my laptop, but that may not be the case in yours.


When you order your new HD, you will also need to order either an inexpensive enclosure or a moderate priced enclosure or you can future proof yourself with an adapter like this that while more expensive, will fit almost any internal device. Investment in a software package such as Acronis True Image 10 that works with USB devices will allow you to clone your current HD onto the new HD in the enclosure/adapter. Then you just swap the new drive in place of the old drive and reboot. I have done it several times on my HP laptop and have had not problems with XP. Like anything, Acronis has some work to do to get their software to work seemlessly with Vista as it does on XP.


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7. Sep 13, 2007 8:18 AM in response to: bkboggy
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))
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9. Sep 13, 2007 12:38 PM in response to: bkboggy
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))
bkboggy wrote:
Why would I eed a enclosure for the hard drive? My current hard drive just slips into the laptop from the side. I am a little bit confused on the whole adapter and enclosure part. It'll probably take me a few days to process it (got lots of stuff going on, lol). I'll research a bit and show you which hard drive I'll try to get and hopefully you'll be able to tell me if it's good choice or not, heh
If you are replacing a hard drive to upgrade it, then the easiest way to do that is to clone the old drive onto the new drive using cloning software. Then, all you would have to do is install the new drive and boot up the computer. New drive upgrade done! The reason for the external drive enclosure is that most laptops only have room for one internal drive. Thus, you will need some method to attach the new drive to the computer so that you can clone the current internal drive to the new drive. Then you can take the new drive out of the enclosure and put it in the internal hard drive bay of the laptop and boot up the computer with the new drive. You can then put the old drive in the enclosure if you want to use as an external drive for extra storage or for backup purposes.


[soapbox] Backup good...no backup bad!! [/soap box]
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11. Sep 13, 2007 1:53 PM in response to: bkboggy
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))

Getting past the video card thing is like trying to scale a 40ft wall without ropes and hooks.

Smax - thank for helping clarify that the enclosure holds the new drive during cloining. I wasn't clear in my long rambling post.


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12. Sep 13, 2007 2:16 PM in response to: rgreen4
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))
rgreen4 wrote:
Getting past the video card thing is like trying to scale a 40ft MARBLE wall WITHOUT ANY JOINTS OR CRACKS and without ropes and hooks.

Smax - thank for helping clarify that the enclosure holds the new drive during cloining. I wasn't clear in my long rambling post.
Pardon my insertions! ;-)


As to the rambling...I understand perfectly...I suffer from a similar disease at times.


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14. Sep 13, 2007 8:59 PM in response to: bkboggy
Re: Help needed: Upgrading laptop's Video Card, HD and RAM. (Dell Inspiron XPS (1st Generation))
I'm afraid so, but to be absolutly certain you would need to check with a certified Dell technician. Not a Best Buy or Circuit City type. But it would probably cost you the minimum service charge. A call to Dell Technical Support may settle the question once and for all, but as I said, for there to be an upgrade you have to have a video card to upgrade to.


RGreensig2B

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