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Sep 19, 2007 1:00 AM

Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War

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Click to view BinaryED's profile New Member 1 posts since
Sep 19, 2007
1. Sep 19, 2007 4:03 PM in response to: PCWorld
Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War
Paramount made a sound business decision by backing HD-DVD,. With the (rumored) pay off they have cash in pocket. If HD-DVD pulls off it's comeback then they have free money in the pocket. If HD-DVD fails then they have all of the second purchases of people replacing there useless HD-DVDs. Blu-ray will prevail with the PS3 integration, price drops and good games, as well as the array of exclusive second gen games coming up. All those factors will give the sony conspiracy an advantage of players in homes, which translates into more blu-ray discs sold, and the eventual end to the war. I'm sorry to anybody who backed toshiba, I take will buy there products over sony any day of the week, but they had the better business plan on this one. Loss leaders like the PS3 will, in the long run, be more competiitive.

P.S. While I say Paramount made a sound business decison, I meant that in the most machiavellian sense. They took the easy path, which will eventually screw over customers.
Click to view rgreen4's profile Old Hand 3,427 posts since
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2. Sep 19, 2007 5:26 PM in response to: BinaryED
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This whole thing reminds me of the Beta-max vs VHS video tape format war, with many of the same players. Especially Sony who was first to market, then started making incompatable upgrades. Then VHS came in and Beta started slipping. Beta supposedly had the technical advantage, but it was quirky. I started with Beta and had trouble finding blank tapes when blank VHS tapes were everywhere. Finally, I found someone who wanted my Betamax and I switched.

Add that to the fact that after two rounds of Sony on CD's and DVD's that cause problems on computers, I just don't trust them. I'll probably switch to High-Def in about 5 years or so. Regular DVD look great on a HD TV and on the computers.


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Click to view tenney67's profile New Member 25 posts since
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3. Sep 20, 2007 8:09 AM in response to: PCWorld
Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War
I agree with rgreen4, the current DVD's look great and with the televisions I have it just isn't worth investing in HD-DVD or Blueray even thou I own a Playstation 3.
I believe someone at PC World stated in a review that unless you are sitting very close to a TV most people would not be able to tell the difference between a 720p and a 1080 television image.

So, in my case I will wait a few years before investing in two highly speculative software mediums.
Click to view RDunn's profile New Member 24 posts since
Aug 31, 2007
4. Oct 5, 2007 2:38 AM in response to: PCWorld
Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War
Sheesh. Some of us just wanna watch a movie! If I wanted multimedia on a PC... I'd go there to watch. A Gigabyte of RAM and an internet connection? They couldn't figure this out before building devices? Now not only do we have to deal with 'format' wars... we'll have 'version' battles. Only the rich get the 'full experience'. Since HD-DVD players are half the cost, I guess it's Blu-ray for blue bloods, and HD for everyone else.

Really, just make movie players and put PC features on the disk... for computer play (or later in the decade play)... and stop jacking up the disk players, and strangling computer users... we can sit up and watch without your hands around our throats, and home nets. If players aren't 'connected', they won't be hacked... Help! my "28 Days" movie infected me! (home net).

Otherwise, this is the decade (and next) of the gadget... make all electronics, even all simple electrics... wireless with lots of RAM and storage, period, and use -comm- standards for add-ons. My fridge, toaster and pencil sharpener need to be connected to do all the cool things I want next year... and all the features you dream up, (rolling eyes). No More Dumb, Lonely Appliances. I want that Blu-ray, HD movie to follow me around the house, on my fridge, on my toaster, on my pencil sharpener. ACK!

Well... ;)...

Click to view JazzGuyy's profile New Member 4 posts since
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5. Oct 11, 2007 4:43 AM in response to: PCWorld
Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War
The information about the upcoming dual-format players is incorrect. The LG BH200 will support profile level 2 and the Samsung 5000 has all of the hardware needed for at least profile level 1.1 but may require a firmware update.
Click to view jtrynoble's profile New Member 4 posts since
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6. Oct 11, 2007 5:31 AM in response to: PCWorld
Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War
Yes Miss Perenson I would have to agree with you in that maybe no one has yet won the HD Format War.

But one thing is for certain!
Your wonderful article has just helped me with the answers I have been looking for in order to help me become a wiser consumer when choosing the products I will need to purchase in order to enjoy future movie entertainment from hHollywood in my home.

You have also made this reader a winner of the battle over what decision to make as far as the products I wish to purchase such as, TV's,DVD Recorders-Players,Receivers and Speakers.

For all of these reasons I Thank You for your wonderful article Miss Perenson.

T.Noble
Click to view rifter's profile New Member 2 posts since
Jan 9, 2007
7. Oct 11, 2007 7:27 AM in response to: PCWorld
Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War
I know a lot of people who have huge DVD collections. One of the major considerations for me, and them, is compatibility with the new format. From what I can tell HD-DVD was designed so as to be more compatible with current SD DVDs. Big for that.

Secondly, because of that compatibility, producing hardware to play HD, and the cost of manufacturing the discs is lower. That translates immediately to lower cost of ownership overall compared to BD.

Then there are all the teething problems Blu-ray has had from the gitgo, and still is having today. Big minus in my book.

I also don't trust the figures that Sony puts out about sales. They've been caught cooking the books before, and the only reason they got out ahead was because of the game console. I don't know ANY hard-core gamers who bought one of them because of Blu-ray, yet that's all you hear from Sony.

I've watched both formats enough that I see no difference in quality. Price is what will determine the winner.
Click to view AlecWest's profile New Member 17 posts since
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8. Mar 10, 2008 11:32 AM in response to: rifter
Re: Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War
I've said this in another forum so I might as well say it here, too. Currently, our economy is in such a state of decline that Joe/Suzy Consumer (the middle-class consumers who DRIVE the marketplace) will likely stay put. There will always be people rich enough to buy into HD ... and not-so-rich people stupid enough to go HD courtesy of their plastic. But I think these people will always be a "niche" ... at least for the forseeable future. No one wants to spend four figures on an HDTV for the dubious privelege of watching 18 HD cable channels (out of hundreds). Likewise, no one wants to spend three figures on an HD disc player for the dubious privelege of renting 400 titles from NetFlix (out of 90,000 titles).

The scenario I see emerging is a two-tier scenario of viewership ... not unlike the current state of airline seating. There will always be people who want to fly either first class or business class. But the overwhelming majority of airline passengers choose coach seating.

Also, here's something to keep in mind. Nowadays, SD televisions and DVD players are so cheap that, if there's a repair issue, most people will "junk" their components and just buy new components (as cheap or cheaper than what they bought before). I often wonder what will happen, say, 5-10 years from now when those same repair issues surface on HD system components. A friend of mine had a 32-inch HD television that crapped out just beyond the warranty period. Repair costs for the set were close to the actual cost of the set itself. And the new sets aren't that much cheaper than the set he bought. On a sad note, he's STILL paying for the first set because the only way he could afford it was by financing it. Bottom line for him? He went back to SD ... and has a very sour taste in his mouth over HD. In short, it will be interesting to see how many HD owners who crow about their components now will switch back to SD once they're confronted by their first hefty repair charge.

Food for thought...
Click to view RastaMon's profile Member 393 posts since
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9. Mar 10, 2008 3:00 PM in response to: tenney67
Re: Why No One Wins in the High-Def Format War
PC World stated in a review that unless you are sitting very close to a TV most people would not be able to tell the difference between a 720p and a 1080 television image.

Given the same screen height, measured from the bottom edge of the lowest row of pixels to the top edge of the highest row of pixels:

Compared to NTSC, 720p offers 2.25 times the pixel density.
Compared to 720p, 1080p offers 2.25 times the pixel density.

A viewer must sit 1.5 times as far from an NTSC screen (displaying 4:3 aspect ratio video) as they need to sit from a 720p screen in order to perceive similar resolution from the two screens.
A viewer must sit 1.5 times as far away from a 720p screen as they need to sit from a 1080p screen to perceive the same resolution from the two screens.

If we, instead, hold the viewing distance constant, and vary the screen size:

A 720p HDTV (16:9 aspect ratio) with a screen size of about 1.8 times that of an NTSC (4:3 aspect ratio) will appear to have the same resolution as the NTSC television.
A 1080p HDTV with a screen size of 1.5 times that of a 720p HDTV will appear to have the same resolution as the 720p HDTV.
In other words, a 32 inch NTSC television, a 59 inch 720p HDTV and an 88 inch 1080p HDTV will all appear to have approximately the same resolution when viewed from the same distance. Obviously, when viewed from the same distance, the 720p screen will appear much bigger than the NTSC screen, and the 1080p screen will appear much bigger than the 720p.
(Note that all sizes are based on viewable size, measured from the top left corner of the top left-most pixel to the bottom right corner of the bottom right-most pixel. Advertised screen sizes may differ slightly.)

Most people will be able to notice the higher resolution of 1080p compared to 720p. The difference between the two is similar to, but greater than the difference between a 2 Megapixel camera and a 1 Megapixel camera.

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