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Sep 29, 2007 11:11 PM

Make the switch???

Hello all. I am a college student and am considering purchasing a new MacBook, but I've never used mac before. I'm sure the MacBook will be fast enough, so that's not really an issue; but I do have some questions:

1. Are there any limitations relative to running Windows programs on a Mac? Can you install the same types of programs on a mac that you can install on a pc? (For example, I have a graphing program on my Compaq laptop that I use to graph data from science classes; can I install it on a mac?)
2. I'm not familiar with using the internet on a Mac, so do they come with Internet Explorer or a similar program? (I mostly use wireless connections at home and at school.)
3. Will I have to purchase additional software to run MS Word and Excel?
4. I am considering spending a little more to get the 120 GB hard drive over the 80 GB hard drive, but is it really worth it? And would it be more worthwhile to upgrade to the 2 GB of memory instead of getting the standard 1 GB?
5. Do Macs typically have a good shelf life? I've had my Compaq laptop for about 2 years now, but it's too big to carry everywhere. How long do Macs last before they start having issues? And is it worth it to purchase the extended service plan?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much!
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Click to view smax013's profile Old Hand 3,867 posts since
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1. Sep 29, 2007 11:45 PM in response to: ss1985
Re: Make the switch???
ss1985 wrote:Hello all. I am a college student and am considering purchasing a new MacBook, but I've never used mac before. I'm sure the MacBook will be fast enough, so that's not really an issue; but I do have some questions:

1. Are there any limitations relative to running Windows programs on a Mac? Can you install the same types of programs on a mac that you can install on a pc? (For example, I have a graphing program on my Compaq laptop that I use to graph data from science classes; can I install it on a mac?)
2. I'm not familiar with using the internet on a Mac, so do they come with Internet Explorer or a similar program? (I mostly use wireless connections at home and at school.)
3. Will I have to purchase additional software to run MS Word and Excel?
4. I am considering spending a little more to get the 120 GB hard drive over the 80 GB hard drive, but is it really worth it? And would it be more worthwhile to upgrade to the 2 GB of memory instead of getting the standard 1 GB?
5. Do Macs typically have a good shelf life? I've had my Compaq laptop for about 2 years now, but it's too big to carry everywhere. How long do Macs last before they start having issues? And is it worth it to purchase the extended service plan?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much!
I will try to addresss your items in order:


1) There are several options to run Windoze programs. You might want to peruse the following thread for a little more detail: Parallels vs. Fusion vs. Bootcamp -- Which to use?. As I pointed out in that thread, Boot Camp is the most compatible and is basically just like running Windoze on a Dell or HP or etc. Parallels or Fusion is running Windoze in a virtual machine and both are fairly compatible with most Windoze programs. The advantage of Fusion or Parallels would be that you would not need to reboot to get to your Windoze programs. If either of those don't work, then you can fall back to Boot Camp, and it will more than likely work.


2) The Mac OS comes with Safari as the default browser, but there are other options such as Firefox. If you want to see what Safari looks like, there is now a Windoze version of it. If you REALLY need to use Internet Explorer (some sites are SO "hard coded" to Internet Explorer that they don't display well in other browsers), then you can always use IE in what ever "flavor" of Windoze that you choose in reponse to your first question.


3) Yes and no. If you want Micro$oft Office for the Mac, then you will have to purchase it. There are alternatives, however. You can do iWork from Apple, which is also a purchase. It includes Pages, which will read and save Word files pretty well, and Numbers, which I believe will read and save Excel files to some degree (I have not personally used iWork '08, which included Numbers for the first time). There is a free option called NeoOffice, which is a Mac version of OpenOffice.


4) I would likely suggest that you get 2 gb of memory, but 1 gb will generally work OK. It will somewhat depend on how many programs you like to have open at once. It you have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time (that is my lighthearted way of saying if you don't run multiple programs at the same time ;-) ), then 1 gb will likely be more than enough. If you like to have your browser open while editting a Word file and Excel file and listening to some songs in iTunes and then also running Parallels to access your Windoze programs, then 2 gb of memory (or more) will come in handy.

I would also suggest going with the larger hard drive if you think you will need the space. Do you have a lot of MP3 songs? Do you intend/plan on buying movies or videos from the iTunes Store? Do you plan on doing any video editting? If yes to any of those three, then more hard drive space is a good thing. On the plus side, if you go with the MacBook (as opposed to the MacBook Pro), it is rather easy to upgrade the hard drive if you find that you run out of room...you can also upgrade the MacBook Pro, but it is more work and will void the warranty if you do it yourself (and it is not for the timid of heart as it does require some more than minor surgery). As a case in point, my MacBook Pro came with an 80 gb hard drive. I just upgraded to a 250 gb hard drive (I did it myself...but I tend to be a little brave with my own computers).


5) Macs tend to have a MUCH better self life than Windoze PeeCees to some degree. There are a lot of people still running their old G3 and G4 Macs (i.e. 4 year or older Macs). Macs don't seem to suffer as much from "issues" as Windoze PeeCees...at least not like Registry Rot that many Windoze PeeCees suffer from. You will have basically zero issues with malware/viruses/spyware at this time (unless you do run Windoze on it...then you are in the same boat on the Windoze side as a "true" Windoze box). In general, however, "issues" will be much like Windoze PeeCees...you could go a long time with no problems...or you could get a lemon and have problems right away. No computer is perfect and can have problems.

As to the extended warranty...that is largely an issue of personal preference and choice. Some people like to "gamble" and not get it. Others swear by it. I do believe that the extended AppleCare entitles you to have your battery for a MacBook (or MacBook Pro) get replaced once due to wear. And since a MacBook's battery is supposed to last about 300 to 500 cycles, it is entirely possible that you could need a new battery during the 3 year period of the extended warranty if you use your MacBook on the battery a lot during those three years. It also gets you free support calls for your entire AppleCare period, where if you don't get the extended warranty, then you only get 90 days of free phone support (for software stuff...you get a whole year of hardware warranty coverage). And since you are a college student, you should get a rather good deal on the extended AppleCare. In the end, however, it comes down to a personal choice...which way do you want to "gamble". If you don't get it and have a problem in year 2, then you lost your "bet". If you do get it and never have a problem, then you just wasted money.


Hope that helps. Feel free to post back if you have more questions or if I did not fully answer something.


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2. Sep 30, 2007 11:19 AM in response to: ss1985
Re: Make the switch???
1. The only real limitation of running Windows programs on a Mac are that you have to buy and install a copy of Windows, as wll as the Windows compatible software. Most solutions for running Windows within Macintosh OS X also require a purchase of virtualization software, such as Prallels or VMware Fusion. These programs generally cost $50 - $80. Apple offers Boot Camp for free, which allows you to set up a Windows partition on your hard drive, and boot the Mac up as a Windows machine. This solution requires reboting when switching between Mac and PC software. However, Boot Camp is currently in beta, and is expected to have new features in OS X 10.5 (aka Leopard). These new features may or may not eliminate the need to reboot when switching.

I've been using Macs nearly exclusively for about three years now, and I have yet to actually need to run any Windows software. I have found that most titles have Mac versions or Mac equivalents. Some popular software, such as MS Word and MS Excel were even available on the Mac prior to being available for Windows.

2. Macs come with Safari, which utilizes the open source WebKit rendering engine. Other browsers also use this rendering engine, including my browser of choice, Shiira (v.1.2.x), which can add useful features not available in Safari. Mozilla Firefox and Opera are also popular Mac browsers. Mozilla also offers Camino, which was designed for Macs from the beginning. The disadvantage of Opera and Mozilla browsers on the Mac is that they do not support many of the system wide services that are supported by most Mac applications. Safari and other WebKit browsers do not have this limitation.

3. You will only need to purchase MS Office in order to run Word and Excel. Bear in mind that MS has not yet released a version of Office that runs natively on Apple Intel hardware. Office 2008 will remedy that. There are also other options available, including iWork, and a number of free solutions, both desktop based and web based.

4. You can never have too much memory or a hard drive that is to large or fast. Having said that, I would recommend ordering your MacBook with 1 GB RAM and the smallest hard drive that comes with your optical drive (and color) of choice. Both the hard drive and the RAM are considered user replaceable parts in the MacBook, which means you can replace your own without voiding your warranty. The first time you try it, it should take less tha an hour. After you have done it once, you should be able to perform the procedure in under ten minutes, from start to finish. The only tools required are a size 0 Phillips head screwdriver, a coin, and a non-magnetic plastic card, such as a library card.

The MacBook actually supports up to 3.3 GB of RAM. The problem is that to get that much RAM, 2 x 2 GB modules must be installed. The Intel logic board has some overlap in its memory addressing, so will not recognize the full 4 GB. Perhaps the best solution is to install one 2 GB module and one 1 GB module. (I am currently running my MacBook with 3 GB of RAM in that configuration.) The disadvantage of this configuration is that the modules are not the same size, which will disable the MacBook's ability to interleave data. However, in terms of performance, this disadvantage is generally far outweighed by the additional RAM available to the CPU. Other World Computing has published benchmark test results of the MacBook in a wide variety of memory configurations.

I also recommend large, fast hard drives. Any 2.5 inch SATA hard drive that is 9.5 mm or less can be installed in the MacBook. Currently, Hitachi offers a 200 GB drive operating at 7200 RPM. This is the drive I am currently using. As a general rule, if your drive doesn't have much data on it, higher RPM drives offer the best speed advantage. If you have a large amount of data, the biggest speed advantages come from larger capacities. Note that a large capacity drive still offers the best speed with little data on it, it just slows down the least as data is added.

5. Yes, Macs typically have a good shelf life. I have a 4.5 year old iBook that can still run Mac OS X 10.4.x, which is currently Apple's latest operating system, fast enough to be plenty usable. My MacBook is much faster, but the iBook is still fast enough that the computer waits on me FAR more often than I wait on the computer. There will come a point that the next operating system simply requires too much in the way of system resources to make an upgrade practical. However, until that point is reached, upgrading the operating system will typically increase the speed of a Mac rather than reducing it, as often happens with MS Windows. My iBook runs faster with 10.4 than it ran with 10.3, and 10.3 ran faster than 10.2. I don't expect to be able to run OS X 10.5 on the iBook. (That's an unusually short service life for a Mac, caused by the switch to Intel hardware.)

Regarding AppleCare Protection Plan, it's a decision you will have to make. Apple makes a profit on AppleCare, so, on average, AppleCare's cost exceeds its benefits. On an individual basis it has the potential of saving you a large amount of money on a repair that you may need in 30 months. Keep in mind that you have a year after your MacBook purchase to buy an AppleCare plan.

AppleCare does NOT cover batteries, except in the case of failure due to materials or workmanship.
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3. Sep 30, 2007 11:46 AM in response to: RastaMon
Re: Make the switch???
RastaMon wrote:

AppleCare does NOT cover batteries, except in the case of failure due to materials or workmanship.
I am not sure how realistically true this is. While it appears to be the case from a technical point of view according to docs from Apple, I have seen people talk about getting a new battery when theirs died when they had the AppleCare Protection Plan. I have never experienced this myself (as I generally don't buy extended warranties), so I can't say how accurate those people's accounts are. Regardless, if your battery dies in the first year, then unless you REALLY use your laptop a LOT (i.e. charge it and discharge it multiple times a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year), it is most likely a defect in the battery. Your typical laptop battery should last about 2 years or so with no real degrade in performance under "typical" use...and then it should still work, but just not retain its charge as long. So, even then, if the battery completely dies in about two years, it is likely a problem that would be covered under the extended warranty UNLESS you use it a lot.


I will note that I just had my battery for my MacBook Pro replaced for free even though it was about a month out of warranty. It was replaced under a program that Apple had running due to some defective batteries.


As I said before, the AppleCare Protection Plan (like any extended warranty) is a personal choice. For many, it gives them piece of mind, even if they never use it. For others, they have had repeated problems with past computers, so they are "programmed" to get it because they assume that same thing will happen. In the end, it is not much different then going to Vegas and putting a several hundred dollar bet down on a Black Jack table. If you lose that Black Jack hand, it is like paying the several hundred dollars for the extended warranty and never having a problem. If you win, it is like you had a problem with the computer that was then covered with extended warranty...the question is, by how much did you win? If it requires a REAL expensive repair (i.e. replace the motherboard) under warranty, then you won pretty big...if it is relatively minor, they you might not win at all, as it might have been cheaper to NOT pay for the extended warranty and just pay for the repair. But, considering that many repairs for a laptop are rather expensive, if you "win", you are likely to win big. So, it all comes down to which way do you want to bet. Personally, I did not get the AppleCare Protection Plan and so far, so good (now, I need to knock on some wood).


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5. Sep 30, 2007 2:30 PM in response to: ss1985
Re: Make the switch???
ss1985 wrote:Wow! Thanks so much for all the input! I really appreciate it. I just have a couple more questions though. I keep hearing about the different operating systems for Macs, but do you have to buy the new upgrade everytime a new one comes out? Or can you just keep using the one that came with the computer? My family recently bought a new HP laptop with Vista, and I hate it. I just don't want to have to spend tons of money on operating systems after my purchase. Also, I use portable USB drives ("thumb drives") quite often, so do these work just as well on a mac? And regarding the use of MS Word, if I decide to use Pages, will I be able to view the document in Word? That is, are they compatible? If not, then I'll just have to get the Mac version.

Thanks again for all the help!
You don't need to upgrade if you don't want to in terms of the OS. There are plenty of people still using OS 9 or one of the previous versions of OS X (a lot of people still use 10.3.x). Right now, a new Mac will come with Tiger (OS X 10.4.x), but Leopard (OS X 10.5) will be released some time next month. At that point, all new Macs will come with Leopard. If you want Leopard, then you might want to wait until it is released. Apple does not typically do "upgrade" discount pricing if you buy a Mac now with Tiger. Thus, if you want Leopard but buy your Mac now, you will pay the full price (which is typically $129). The exception is if you buy a Mac AFTER Leopard is released, but still has Tiger. So, you can stick with the OS that came with the Mac or you can upgrade if you want the new features of the new OS (Leopard looks to have some good features...Time Machine, in particular, which is a backup feature).


USB flash drives work just fine with Macs as long as they are formatted as either FAT32 or HFS+ (Mac formatting). If it is formatted with NTFS, then the Mac will only be able to read it, but not write to it. Regardless, they should work fine. Every single one of my flash drives work just fine with both my Windoze PeeCees and Macs (I have about 4 or 5...kind of lost track).


If you go with Pages, I believe the default file format will not be readable by Word. But, you can save a Pages file in the format that can be read by Word. I will note that you can get Micro$oft Office for the Mac Student and Teacher edition for about $125, which is NOT that much more expensive than iWork. As pointed out, you might want to wait until after the first of the year. Office 2008 for the Mac, which will be Intel native, is supposed to be released sometime early next year. I will note that when you do purchase a MacBook, it will come with a trial version of both iWork and Micro$oft Office. So, you will be able to try both for 30 days and see which one you like better. And of course, you can also try NeoOffice to see if it works for you, or if you are better to go with a paid version of some software.


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7. Oct 2, 2007 9:36 PM in response to: ss1985
Re: Make the switch???
Waiting certainly does not hurt...especially if you want OS X 10.5 (Leopard). It should be released in the next two to three weeks.


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