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Click to view CDM523's profile New Member 9 posts since
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Oct 12, 2007 2:40 PM

Need Feedback on Laptop Specs

I am in the process of buying a new laptop. After some research, considering Dell Vostro 1500. Not sure about the specs -- would like some feedback from experts. I am a business consultant by trade -- low to moderate travel. Plan to use the laptop as desktop replacement (for my trusty old Dell Dimension 8200).

Usage: moderately complex documents -- Word, Excel, Powepoint. Quickbooks Accounting Package. e-mail, IM, Web surfing, Digital Photographs, Streaming music & video (no editing), SQL Server based business apps (client side only).


Considering Vostro 1500 (Quoted $798 + Tax) with following specs & questions:

  • Intel® Core 2 Duo T5270 (1.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
    • Is this adequate or should I get faster -- T5470/1.6GHz (+$50), T7100/1.8GHz (+$130) or T7250/2.0GHz (+$145)?
    • What is the difference b/w C2D 5xxx and 7xxx processors?
  • Windows® XP Professional
    • Can't have Vista for compatibility with client apps & environment.
  • 15.4 inch Wide Screen XGA LCD Display with TrueLife^TM^
    • Antiglare or glossy1280x800 res enough, or spend $50 more to get 1440x900?
  • 2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz, 2 DIMM
    • For WinXP system, 1 GB may be enough? If so 1 DIMM x 1GB OK (leaves room for future addition)?
  • 128MB NVIDIA® GeForceTM 8400M GS
    • Integrated GMA (-$100) OR 128M Nvidia 8400M GS OR 256M Nvidia 8600M GT (+$100)?
  • 120G 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
    • No 7200 RPM HD available for Vostro. Is this fast enough?
  • 8X CD/DVD Burner w/ double-layer DVD+R write capability, w/ Roxio Creator
  • Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Wi-Fi Mini Card
    • How is reliability/compatibility for Dell branded card vs. Intel Pro a/g card?
  • Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate), WinXP
  • 56 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (Don't want 9-cell battery sticking out 1")

I am leaning towards external webcam instead of Dell's Built-in 2.0 MP Webcam. Is that a good idea? ?:|

Would appreciate feedback/suggestions/recommendations/admonishments/etc. on the above specs, make/model and price.


Thanks,


CDM523

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Click to view jbking's profile Member 967 posts since
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1. Oct 12, 2007 2:47 PM in response to: CDM523
Re: Need Feedback on Laptop Specs
Just a few thoughts. From http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2808&p=2 :

" While the previous Core Duo chips were all numbered as T2000 series processors, the new Core 2 Duos are all T7000 and T5000 chips. The T5000 models feature a 2MB L2 cache while the T7000 have a full 4MB L2, and as the name implies all of these CPUs are dual core. "

So, I would suggest taking a T7000 series that would have the additional cache. T7100 should be fine though if you want a little more oomph go for the T7250.

I would likely suggest the 1280x800 is adequate as that is what my 15.4" laptop is at in terms of resolution as any higher and I'd have trouble reading the screen without using the bigger text.

I would likely suggest 2GB of RAM if you plan on running many apps on the laptop at one time as the additional memory can be put to good use. Also, if you go for integrated graphics some of this will be used by that.

I think your graphics card choice is OK though if go down you would gain a bit in battery life I would think.

A 5400 RPM drive should be fast enough unless you are doing a lot with the hard drive.

JB


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Jan 28, 2007
2. Oct 12, 2007 3:38 PM in response to: CDM523
Re: Need Feedback on Laptop Specs
CDM523 wrote:I am in the process of buying a new laptop. After some research, considering Dell Vostro 1500. Not sure about the specs -- would like some feedback from experts. I am a business consultant by trade -- low to moderate travel. Plan to use the laptop as desktop replacement (for my trusty old Dell Dimension 8200).

Usage: moderately complex documents -- Word, Excel, Powepoint. Quickbooks Accounting Package. e-mail, IM, Web surfing, Digital Photographs, Streaming music & video (no editing), SQL Server based business apps (client side only).

Considering Vostro 1500 (Quoted $798 + Tax) with following specs & questions:

  • Intel® Core 2 Duo T5270 (1.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
    • Is this adequate or should I get faster -- T5470/1.6GHz (+$50), T7100/1.8GHz (+$130) or T7250/2.0GHz (+$145)?
    • What is the difference b/w C2D 5xxx and 7xxx processors?
  • Windows® XP Professional
    • Can't have Vista for compatibility with client apps & environment.
  • 15.4 inch Wide Screen XGA LCD Display with TrueLife^TM^
    • Antiglare or glossy1280x800 res enough, or spend $50 more to get 1440x900?
  • 2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz, 2 DIMM
    • For WinXP system, 1 GB may be enough? If so 1 DIMM x 1GB OK (leaves room for future addition)?
  • 128MB NVIDIA® GeForceTM 8400M GS
    • Integrated GMA (-$100) OR 128M Nvidia 8400M GS OR 256M Nvidia 8600M GT (+$100)?
  • 120G 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
    • No 7200 RPM HD available for Vostro. Is this fast enough?
  • 8X CD/DVD Burner w/ double-layer DVD+R write capability, w/ Roxio Creator
  • Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Wi-Fi Mini Card
    • How is reliability/compatibility for Dell branded card vs. Intel Pro a/g card?
  • Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate), WinXP
  • 56 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (Don't want 9-cell battery sticking out 1")

I am leaning towards external webcam instead of Dell's Built-in 2.0 MP Webcam. Is that a good idea? ?:|

Would appreciate feedback/suggestions/recommendations/admonishments/etc. on the above specs, make/model and price.

Thanks,

CDM523


I will agree a lot with what jbking offered. That post address the processor differences for you fine. If you want future "proofing" then I would say go with a 7xxx processor and the extra cache, but for what you list as your current uses, any of the processor would be just fine. If you are doing photo editting, then a faster processor might help some there, but by and large, I am guessing that you will not notice all that much of a difference for your typical tasks between the processors.


As to the screen, the higher resolution would allow you to display more of a spreadsheet on the screen at one time that the lower resolution...the downside is that it will be smaller text and other on screen items, potentially making it tougher to read. As to glossy vs. matte finish, most business users tend to like the matte finish better to prevent/minimize glare on the screen. If vibrant colors for photos or videos (or charts) are more important, then the glossy screen might be the way to go. Stuff tends to "pop" more on a glossy screen (which why consumer level laptops have glossy screens)...assuming glare is not a problem.


As to memory, 1 gb is enough in general for Windoze XP. If you run multiple applications at once (especially three or more), then more memory is better. Thus, I would likely also recommend 2 gb, but considering it is easy to upgrade, it is something that you could do later after trying 1 gb (if you go that path, then make sure that you have it configured to have 1 gb all in one slot and leave the second slot open for another future 1 gb DIMM).


For the graphics card, any of the options should work fine for you. I would suggest going with a dedicated video card more due to the fact that the integrate card will likely use up some of your RAM...but it will be better power wise (i.e. likely longer battery life).


I doubt that you will notice the difference between a 5400 rpm and 7200 rpm drive. You tend to only really notice the difference on really disk intensive things (such as gaming and maybe video editting).


As to WiFi, it is a crap shoot in terms of compatibility in general. Either would likely be fine. Unless you KNOW that one will not work with a system that you will be working with, I am not sure if anyone can give you a definitive answer on that one.


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4. Oct 12, 2007 5:59 PM in response to: CDM523
Re: Need Feedback on Laptop Specs
1.4ghz duo core is a bit slow lol for modern technology, i would get something better


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5. Oct 12, 2007 8:54 PM in response to: CDM523
Re: Need Feedback on Laptop Specs
CDM523 wrote:
Thanks jbking & smax013 for valuable feedback.

I reviewed the article pointed to by the link. Good Info, but a little bit too techy and too detailed.

Incidently, all 4 processor options, including the 72xx, have 2MB Cache (per Dell configurator)!! Only the clock speed is higher.


So far, what I gather is that I have a three-way trade-off in performance -- faster processor (higher clock speed), higher RAM (2GB) and Dedicated graphics card. The combinations, in the order of increasing performance seems to be:

  1. 2GB RAM & Integrated Graphics (Intel GMA) (-$100)
  2. 1 GB RAM and Dedicated Graphics Card with 128M (-$100)
  3. 2 GB RAM and Dedicated Graphics Card with 128M (+0)
  4. First two with faster processor (+$50 to +$145)
  5. Third one with faster processor (+$50 to +$145)

I guess I will pick based on the budget, since any of the options above will meet my needs. The unresolved issue in my mind is: 1.4GHz/800FSB/2M Cache adequate processor for now?

Finally, if I want to keep my laptop futureproof for 4-5 years, would I need to be prepared to migrate to Vista Business? In that case, would I need more powerful (faster) processor? What should I choose if I were to go with Vista Business now?

CDM523

The one thing that I tend to recommend when considering options on laptops is to look at things that you can upgrade vs. things you cannot upgrade or at least not upgrade easily. In this case, you can always upgrade the RAM later if you want. The processor and video card are NOT things that you can upgrade later (if you can, it will be rather difficult and certainly very expensive). Thus, you should decide now what you want in terms of a processor and video card because you will be stuck with them unless you buy a new laptop.


Having said that, a "bump" in processor speeds are typically not all that cost benefitial. If you are spending more than about $100 extra for a bump in processor speed, you are not likely getting your money's worth. Bumps in processor speed usually does not result in much noticeable performance benefit unless you are doing REALLY processor intensive things like editting/processing video, applying filters to pictures when editting them, etc. The stuff that you listed as your typical uses are not really what I would consider "processor intensive" (unless you are doing massive spreadsheets with LOTS of calculcations).


Thus, generally you will get more "bang" for your buck out of a video card upgrade than a processor upgrade, especially when going from integrated graphics to a dedicated video card. But, again the current uses that you listed are in general not graphics intensive items (unless you decided to end getting Vista instead of XP...then Vista could use the extra graphics horsepower).


Overall, the best bang for the buck in your situation is the RAM upgrade. If you had to choose one of the three and could never modify anything else, I personally would go with more memory over processor or video card upgrades. But the BIG advantage of RAM is that you can always upgrade it later. So, you could use you "one" upgrade right now for the processor or video card and then later upgrade the RAM if you wanted or needed.


Personally if it were me, I would go with option #2 (assuming the 1 gb comes in one DIMM) and then order a second 1 gb DIMM through a third party (such as Crucial) for about $50 or so...and save roughly $50. But, then I don't have any qualms about cracking open a computer and upgrading stuff myself. If one where to have qualms about such things, then option #3 would likely be my first choice. The only exception is if I thought that I REALLY needed (or wanted) the extra processor speed. I would say that a bump to the 1.6 ghz processor is likely worth the $50 increase. If you go the next step, then I would say go all the way to the 2.0 ghz processor as it is only $15 dollars more than the 1.8 ghz, but I am not sure if I would consider a .4 ghz bump worth $145 or not. It is in that "gray" area. I would not consider the $200+ price increase to go to the 4 mb cache processors worth it unless I REALLY needed the speed.


As to Vista, any one of the processors would likely have Vista just fine. If you want to run Aero (the 3D interface), then I would likely suggest that you want the dedicated graphics card, not the integrated. Vista will run fine without Aero, but if you want the "eye candy" then the added graphics horsepower is likely a good choice.


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6. Oct 13, 2007 1:09 PM in response to: CDM523
Re: Need Feedback on Laptop Specs
Hi CDM523,
If I were you, I'd get a T7xxx series, because you get a faster processor, as to "futureproof" your laptop. The RAM should be fine, and you can always upgrade it later. The Video card is better w/ dedicated memory, so that it won't take up the system's RAM, and you probably don't need to upgrade to an 8600M GT unless you intend to game on your PC. Since you're not going to travel much, I'd go w/ an external cam, so that you get a higher quality video. The 5400-rpm speed on the HDD should be okay, as well.

So, I'd go with what you already have quoted, w/ the exception of a faster processor.

-TechyGuy


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7. Oct 22, 2007 6:11 AM in response to: TechyGuy
Re: Need Feedback on Laptop Specs

To be honest, the laptop you've found looks very good for what you're planning to do with it. I've been out of the loop awhile, but if its FSB is indeed 800Mhz, then don't worry bout a thing, maybe get the 1.8ghz version, but thats your call for things to be a little faster. Since your bus speed is fast, everything is going to be generally fast. Its a good rule to follow. Anyhow, the only other thing I can suggest is to get an extra gig of ram, 2gb total. Sives upgrading later, and things are accessed better. Plus that'll let windows have more ram to play with for your integrated video. I quite disagree with getting anykind of discrete video card, not only are they incredably expensive (and even though upgradeable sometimes, its still difficult, expensive and yada yada) but they sap battery power like a tree hugger, well, on a tree i suppose.

And, maybe don't look at getting a faster hard drive, but possibly one with more space. Totally your call, I think your system, except for having a bit more ram, is perfectly fine for what you're doing. It won't break down due to heat anytime soon, it won't be too pricey, and you will feel better about that once it ages out, which happens in about half a year :). (lappys depreciate in value big time, especially the DX9 capable ones now) UNLESS you want to play some serious games and have a laptop with an quadruple gpu system as hot as the sun's surface and literally would be, don't worry about faster speeds and video. You don't need a hotrod to get to work, a nissan would probably have better mileage anyway. Same goes for lappies.

Hope this dispells some buy the latest greatest stuff demons.


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