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Click to view dhill1984's profile New Member 33 posts since
Nov 27, 2007
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Nov 27, 2007 10:25 PM

Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice

I am starting my first computer build this weekend once all my components arrive. I have never built a computer before, so I am not sure what to expect. any advice from people who know stuff would be greatly appreciated. At this point, I'm just curious as to things I should look out for, be careful about, problems I should expect to run into, etc. heres a list of the stuff i am building

XFX 680i SLI MOBO


intel q6600


4 gb of ram on 2 dimms ddr2 6400


XFX Geforce 8800 gts xxx 320mb


seagate 500 gb hdd


light scribe dvd burner


ocz 850w power supply


extra case fans and hdd fan


windows vista home premium 64 bit OEM


NZXT alpha case


if anyone has done a similar build or has built with those components before, I would love to know how it went. Also, any advice on getting BIOS set up is appreciated- I have never used a BIOS before. Also any advice for 64 bit vista? I would have liked to stay with XP but I want a 64 bit media center pc.

TIA

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Click to view smax013's profile Old Hand 3,862 posts since
Jan 28, 2007
1. Nov 28, 2007 1:35 AM in response to: dhill1984
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
dhill1984 wrote:I am starting my first computer build this weekend once all my components arrive. I have never built a computer before, so I am not sure what to expect. any advice from people who know stuff would be greatly appreciated. At this point, I'm just curious as to things I should look out for, be careful about, problems I should expect to run into, etc. heres a list of the stuff i am building

XFX 680i SLI MOBO

intel q6600


4 gb of ram on 2 dimms ddr2 6400


XFX Geforce 8800 gts xxx 320mb


seagate 500 gb hdd


light scribe dvd burner


ocz 850w power supply


extra case fans and hdd fan


windows vista home premium 64 bit OEM


NZXT alpha case


if anyone has done a similar build or has built with those components before, I would love to know how it went. Also, any advice on getting BIOS set up is appreciated- I have never used a BIOS before. Also any advice for 64 bit vista? I would have liked to stay with XP but I want a 64 bit media center pc.

TIA

This document might help: Tips on Building a Custom Desktop Computer. It was a result of me asking a similar question to yours in this thread: Building a desktop system - words of wisdom?


And my advice for 64 bit Vista is don't do it...at least the 64 bit part. You will find that there a quite few drivers and programs that don't really work well with 64 bit. At this time, you are likely better off sticking with a 32 bit Windoze OS.


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Click to view Brothersoft's profile New Member 20 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
2. Nov 28, 2007 2:06 AM in response to: dhill1984
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
I also supports dhill1984. The 64 bit windows won't be so stable as 32 bit because of the compatibility of drivers. Newb, your PC has powerful configuration. How I envy! I also suggest you to install dual-boot systems, if you need.
Click to view smax013's profile Old Hand 3,862 posts since
Jan 28, 2007
4. Nov 28, 2007 8:24 AM in response to: dhill1984
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
dhill1984 wrote:how would I go about installing a dual boot system? would I need another hard drive and windows OEM OS to set that up? or could I use part of the single hdd to set up a dual boot?
It can typically be either. Some motherboards will allow you to select between different hard drives to use as the boot drive. This will allow you to install one OS per hard drive and then just use the BIOS to select which boot drive to use. Some motherboards will not function in that manner. If so, then you can install the second OS on either a second drive or a second partition on the first drive. In either case, you will need to somehow activate a boot manager that will allow you to select which OS to boot off of. I believe that Windoze comes with a boot manager, but it is not setup by default (or may not be activated by default). There are other boot managers. How one would go about setting up a dual (or tri) boot system will depend on their hardware and which OS they want to use and in what order they installed them. If you decide you want to dual boot, I would suggest you post the details (i.e. which OSs you want to dual boot, your hardware, and in what order of installation) and then people can give you some more specific details.


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Click to view rgreen4's profile Member Moderators 4,202 posts since
Oct 22, 2006
5. Nov 28, 2007 8:45 AM in response to: dhill1984
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice

If you use separate drives, you can do as many independent boots as you like. I have a home built machine that is still a triple boot - Vista HP, XP, Ubuntu (not yet removed). I use the BIOS to adjust the boot, but on many aftermarket BIOS's you get an F12 option on the POST options at the bottom of the screen to go to a boot menu. Delete will take you into the BIOS setup, but F12 (on mine) takes you to a menu where you select the boot device. Unfortunately I was going to use identical HD's, but the listing is by drive Manufacturer and model number, so I had to use different size drives. This is the cleanest was to do a dual boot because one does not impact the other.

You can do a dual boot with one drive. Here is a Document that discusses dual/multi boot configurations. As I said, I did not want to mess with the various problems of which to install first and which to install second, etc. I used an 80GB HD for on OS, a 120 for the second and a 160 for the third. All but two of my current drives are Seagates so I had to use size. The two non Seagates are two 500GB Samsungs that are spares for my Network storage. Currently you can get an 80GB drive for around $50.

Before you open the OEM install package for Vista, you might contact Microsoft and see what they will charge for a 32 bit disk and COA. Worst case, you have to buy a second OEM disk unless you want to stick with a single 32 bit install. Looking at some of the comments on the 64bit version of the Ultimate OEM diskc on new it was generally liked even though there were some incompatibilities. They did mention some games that ran in 64bit.

I do not know of anyone who has attempted to dual boot 32bit and 64bit on the same drive. I do not know if it is even possible given that it is slight variations of the same OS. I do know that you can do it on separate drives, and it may cost you as much as $170 for the OS, small drive and shipping. Remember that regardless of which drive you boot from, you can see the files and folders on the other. So if you decide that you want to use the 64bit version for you main boot with the games, you could use the 32bit for other applications that will not run in 64bit yet, but can still sell all the data on the big drive.


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Click to view art209's profile Member 140 posts since
Jul 25, 2007
6. Nov 28, 2007 9:11 AM in response to: dhill1984
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
With the latest hardware and operating system, everything is pretty well automated on startup. Settings are pretty much are handled by the cmos and Vista, so all you will have to do is minor tweaking to your own preferences. The hardest thing about the build is installing the heat sink on the cpu. Make sure it's done properly. The motherboard manual will provide instructions on connections. The forum is here to answer questions.


Windows XP and Vista Home Premium / Biostar TF560 A2+ / AMD Athlon 64x2 6000+ / nVidia 8800GTS 320 MB / 2 GB SDRAM DDR2 800
Click to view mjd420nova's profile Member 816 posts since
Aug 5, 2006
7. Nov 28, 2007 10:30 AM in response to: dhill1984
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
When mounting the system board, replace all the metal standoffs in the case with nylon or plastic ones. This will save you a lot of headaches initially and in the future by preventing shorts of the power supply, which is the most common problem I see in new builds by both beginners and experienced builders.
Click to view coastie65's profile Member Moderators 3,973 posts since
Apr 2, 2007
9. Nov 28, 2007 5:55 PM in response to: dhill1984
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
Hi dhill1984, I know you said outside of windows, but if you are going to be doing some heavy gaming, Music and video stuff, I would recommend XP Media Center Edition 2005. (32 bit). You have probably opened the door for a whole host of suggestions, :^0 all which will probably be good and each individule's own preference, myself included. It depends on what your plans are. Judging by what you've listed, I'm assuming gaming is on the agenda. In my opinion, XP MCE will allow you to play with fewer headaches than Vi$ta. coastie65


eMachines T5212.... Intel Pentium D 945 3.4Ghz..... evga 8600 GT 256 Mb PCI-E video card..... Realtec HD audio......2 Gb 533 Mhz DDR2 memory..... Lite on CD RW; DVD +R / RW DL optical drive...... Windows XP MCE 2005....... Antec Basiq 500w PSU......200 Gb PATA HDD
Click to view rgreen4's profile Member Moderators 4,202 posts since
Oct 22, 2006
11. Nov 28, 2007 8:46 PM in response to: dhill1984
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
Before you seriously consider XP MCE, check out the user comments on XP MCE on the Newegg website. You may or may not be aware that users can enter evaluations (1-5 "eggs" based on their experience with the item). XP MCE is only avatilabe as an OEM installation, and comes on 2 CD's not 1 like the rest of XP. Apparently the installation is to be polite quirky and involves swapping CD's, and there is apparently an error in the install sequence.

XP MCE mainly came preinstalled from the factory on new manufactured PC's. It was a pre-install on my HP Media Center and although I had problems, I think it was mostly Norton's Internet Security which was also pre-installed. That program really gave me fits. I liked the graphical front ent, which I would describe as pre-Vista. The corners of the windows are rounded, not square like Home and Pro, and when you move a window it goes transparent. It has better wallpapers as well. MCE is basically XP Pro with the Media Center grafted on.


You have ordered Vista Home Premium 64bit, so I would tend to go with Vista Home Premium 32bit for 32bit compatibility and then you are not trying to keep two different OS's straight. Ever since I installed the free Vista upgrade (my Media Center qualified for the upgrade program), my Vista machine has taken over as my main machine from my old XP Pro desktop. Most of the time, the XP desktop gets fired up to answer a question or run a few programs I have not upgreaded, and in fact I still have an old Win98 machine I have to hook up once in a great while to run one program that will not run in XP.

Why don't you consider this - go ahead and install the 64bit version of Vista. It comes with its own special version of IE7, and see how your games do. Then install what other programs you may have. Be aware that at any point you may find a game or program that will not run, and if you have enough, you can then consider which 32bit OS to install. I would also recommend a book called Windows Vista: The Missing Manual by David Pogue and published by O'Reilly publications a large computer orieted publisher. I found the book most helpful to me in making the transition. I also have the XP Pro book as well as the Win2000 and Excel 2007 books as well. The series if detailed, well organized and informative without treating you as a dummy. The Vista book is almost 800 pages.


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Click to view coastie65's profile Member Moderators 3,973 posts since
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12. Nov 29, 2007 6:45 AM in response to: rgreen4
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
Hi rgreen, Yeah, you're right about XP MCE being a bit quirky on installation. I ordered a copy from newegg and it has 3 CDs. The last one is SP2 I think. You install the the first two, then go to windowsupdate and get all your updates then install the third CD. I believe it becomes a bit problematical if you ever need to do a repair ( sfc/scannow from cmd) and have to put in the installation CD. The reason I bought a copy of XP MCE, is that the recovery CD that came with this thing is crap and didn't have all the stuff. As it turnes out you have make up another CD from their ( eMachines) site. Besides, if I buy another rig, it will be sans OS, as I'm not a fan of Vi$ta. Unfortunately, the copy I got is a builder copy, ( single license). Anyway, you make a good point about juggling two different OS's I was in a constant state of flux when I went from Windows 2k pro to XP :D until I found my way around XP. coastie65


eMachines T5212.... Intel Pentium D 945 3.4Ghz..... evga 8600 GT 256 Mb PCI-E video card..... Realtec HD audio......2 Gb 533 Mhz DDR2 memory..... Lite on CD RW; DVD +R / RW DL optical drive...... Windows XP MCE 2005....... Antec Basiq 500w PSU......200 Gb PATA HDD
Click to view rgreen4's profile Member Moderators 4,202 posts since
Oct 22, 2006
13. Nov 29, 2007 7:12 AM in response to: coastie65
Re: Newb starting first computer build in a few days, looking for tips and advice
Sometimes I get confused meeting myself coming around the corner. I use a crippled version of Windows2000 at work. (IT has locked out the control panel and you can't install any programs - they did this to keep viruses from coming in behind the firewall. We had a lot of problems before they did that.) Then I go home and shift gears between XP and Vista all night. The one I use 90% of the time now at home is Vista. I tried Ubuntu to see what everyone was talking about, but it was so foreign and I didn't need a fourth OS that was just so different right now - so I have dropped it for now.

I would be interested in your long term experience with MCE because it is definitely the most pleasing of the XP operating systems. I never used the actual Media Center on MCE, but have in Vista. One of the problems with MCE, is that there are no real MCE book on it that I have seen. In fact not until I read through the Media Center chaper in my Vista book did I really understand MCE.

When you get the system balanced out and functioning to where it pleases you, seriously consider cloning the hard drive. Then operate off the clone and put the original away (or leave it in the machine but disconnected as an in place backup). Here is a link to a Document on cloning. If you run Acronic from the recover disk I think you can clone anything, I have even sucessfully cloned an Ubuntu installation as a test. You can't install it, but it in Ubuntu, but you can boot from the CD and run it from the CD.


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