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Click to view boed's profile New Member 8 posts since
Dec 17, 2007
30. Dec 17, 2007 4:09 PM in response to: jdb5134
Re: The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007

I've developed my share of code and managed developers - it is a simple rule ANYONE who knows about programming knows - test for performance on the average users PC before rolling out a new app. Clearly MS ignored everyone's complaint about slow performance and claimed it was bad drivers, additional software such as antivirus, or end user error. 5 Months later they confirmed the performance issue with Vista.

I may not know enough to write an entire OS - but I certainly know enough not to make such a newbie mistake as giving overpowered PCs to developers and expecting end users to be happy - that is why web developers use limited bandwidth connections to test their web pages on hosts before going live.

Are you saying MS did a good job with Vista and businesses are rolling out? Are you saying that other than end users buying brand new systems it is popular? Anyone who has upgraded to XP from Vista even on the fastest new systems will agree that XP can easily quadruple the speed of their computer.

Click to view esklsnrq8's profile New Member 27 posts since
Sep 1, 2007
31. Dec 17, 2007 4:17 PM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
Its a shame that the newbee's to computing are able to read such trash until after they have had a chance to make up their own mind.

I am new - 5 yrs- to PC's, internet and all the rest. I cut my teeth on XP and later installed SP2. Against everything I read I bought a Vista ready machine in 11-06. My express install was shipped as promised and went in without a hitch, only minor tweaks and updates required.

I liked it so much that last night I downloaded and installed Vista SP1 RC. All went liquid smooth. I've loved every moment of my Vista Experience.

If business owners or old time users have issues with their outdated software or hardware they should address that and not blame MS for progress.

The thing that becomes quite evident by the intensity of the bashing is it must be fueled by large installments of palm grease. I conclude I must trust my own experience before allowing those "Gurus" to romp willy-nilly thru the corridores of my mind.
Click to view jdb5134's profile New Member 7 posts since
Dec 7, 2007
32. Dec 17, 2007 4:29 PM in response to: boed
Re: The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
well Boed, i would have to say that as a former XP user, i would 100 percent not agree with you, so if i were you i wouldnt make statements like that. my vista machine outperforms what xp did on the same machine. Removed by Moderator


Edited by MPHEnterprises

Okay, let's not let this get out of hand. Please refrain from personal attacks, whether directly or indirectly, against another member.

Click to view boed's profile New Member 8 posts since
Dec 17, 2007
33. Dec 17, 2007 4:43 PM in response to: jdb5134
Re: The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007

Actually I support several thousand PCs and a few hundred servers so I did actually do the tests personally. I actually work directly with several MVPs for MS who also have confirmed my findings and admit they don't use Vista on their home PCs as it slows them down. I compared network copies up and down from Windows 2003 x64 and 32 servers, I compared file copies between hard drives on the same machines - I did all the tests with P4 HT and Core 2 PCs identical equipment all updated to the latest drivers - with AV turned off and all machines had 2 gigs of RAM and no other processes turned on.

We don't roll out anything without testing it. I can also point to many well respected journals and magazines with essentially identical findings - Vista on ANY hardware runs slower in file copy performance, than XP on the same equipment. In addition, most machines run apps faster and certainly run games faster on XP than Vista.

Why would you make such foolish statements when there is no supporting information for your claims?

As for complaining to MS - I did during the beta testing of Vista - they thought it was a firewall or AV issue - when I confirmed I had also tested with those turned off they thought it was a driver issue - I couldn't argue with that since I didn't write the drivers. However 5 months later MS did admit Vista is indeed slower. Most educated experts believe there are several reasons why Vista is so slow -

1. DRM - file copies running XP within Vista signficantly outperforms file copies with Vista not using XP in a virtual session on the same machine.

2. Poor network layer access TOE and other features not implemented correctly.

3. Inneficient access to certain hardware layers in the graphical environment.

4. Speghetti code in the indexing features of Vista cause drain on hard drive access as well as memory and processor utilization.


While Vista may be OK for people in their own little world who don't need to copy large files, groups of files or do anything but browse the web, people in networked environments, those working with large files such as multimedia files will find Vista is a significant step backwards for them in performance. And educated users buying state of the art home equipment wouldn't want to slow down that cutting edge technology with a performance killer like Vista. Mind you I support Vista, Windows XP, 2000, 98, Novell and various forms of Linux in addtion to OSX. There are many advantages to Windows, Linux and OSX however Vista presents no real advantages to most users other than a "pretty" interface. For anyone serious about computing performance far outweighs the advantages of a "pretty" interface. Vista is no more secure than XP is. I don't think OSX or Linux is really more secure but there are more known hacks for XP only because it is the most popular - you don't see taggers putting their graffiti on the darkest interior part of a bridge - they want it to be seen - just like hackers so they spend more time going after the most visible platform.

Click to view THEPecosBill's profile New Member 1 posts since
Dec 17, 2007
34. Dec 17, 2007 5:25 PM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
Hellooooooooooooooooo? Is anyone at PCWorld awake? Apple announced that the iPhone will have a full SDK spec announced in Feb. Don't bet that anyone can use it though. Apple is dead set against letting Joe Schmo write swiss cheese code that let's evil hackers hose up users' phones.

Leopard's only disappointment was the lack of a surprise feature that Job's hinted at.

Dead on with Vista
Click to view Car54's profile Member 366 posts since
Nov 16, 2006
35. Dec 17, 2007 6:49 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007

Sorry I haven't really read any of the previous comments in this thread, but I got to this point in the article, where Dan Tynan made me laugh with his Vonage "disappointment": (yes we can laugh at some of these disappointments, unless in this case, you had the misfortune of being a SunRocket customer)

#7. Cannot be Completed as Dialed: Voice Over IP

http://images.pcworld.com/news/graphics/140583-vonagelogo_1.jpg

Here's
a recipe for disaster: Have the market leader in your industry sued by
three of the biggest telecom companies on the planet. Have second-tier
players go belly up overnight, leaving thousands of business customers
without any phone service. Add in a healthy dose of security
vulnerabilities, and bake at 450 degrees until crispy. :^0


Happy user of Vista, XP, Firefox, IE7, of paid for, and free security software. I’m an equal opportunity user, lol
Click to view KidWorf's profile New Member 1 posts since
Dec 17, 2007
36. Dec 17, 2007 7:58 PM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
Well, I guess PC World has become the Fox news network of the Computer world.....it gives false information, makes up things as it goes along, and provides spin to those things that do not work (Vista, Zune, etc.), and gives negative spin to those things that DO work (Apple's iPhoto, OS X, anything from Apple, etc.) I guess that the writer has gotten his 4 gold coins from gates, or at least his M$ handelers, as Vista is one of the crappiest OS's that has ever come out, Zune is a joke, and most of the products from M$ are top-heavy and require much more than they need to operate. But, never mind that. And, never mind facts. The only thing that matters to this writer, and to this magazine is that anything but M$ products are given a bad review, even if facts state differently. Of course, the lemmings will follow ANYTHING the see in print..........
Click to view kfjfeijfe's profile New Member 1 posts since
Dec 17, 2007
37. Dec 17, 2007 9:40 PM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
The hilarious part of this is while the new version of Microsoft Windows is being dumped Linux is being offered for the first time by all of the major computer manufacturers. I suspect the third world will still outpace Linux desktop adoption given projects like one laptop per child. Maybe http://zonbu.com will be successful.
Click to view mjd420nova's profile Member 711 posts since
Aug 5, 2006
38. Dec 17, 2007 10:17 PM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
I think the failure of the industry to decide on an accepted format for HDDVD will continue to drag down further development of equipment and thereby a reduction in consumer prices. It does appear that Sony has once again repeated their Betamax mistake and choosen an incompatible format and left it up to the consumer to decide the standard for acceptance. An overpriced format regardless of its capabilities will always be left by the wayside when allowing the consumer to decide. Choice is nice by compatability must be the first consideration.
Click to view Dewcrav3r's profile New Member 21 posts since
Aug 29, 2006
39. Dec 17, 2007 11:29 PM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
Hello, it's time to dump Microsoft and go Open-Source with Linux. Every Vista article from PCW blasts Vista, and rightly so. Now go read Ubuntu Linux reviews. 94 on the PCW chart and nothing bad to say about it. We trust PCW and buy the top-rated products on the other charts, why not trust them on the Operating System chart and use Linux?
Click to view MartinBell's profile New Member 1 posts since
Dec 18, 2007
40. Dec 18, 2007 1:15 AM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
Please do not use "like" in this way. (RE: 3rd paragraph.) I'm in my 20's, imagine the pain you are inflicting on your older readers.
Click to view BillGates's profile New Member 1 posts since
Dec 18, 2007
41. Dec 18, 2007 2:23 AM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
I am doing a lot switching people from Vista to XP. So
much that I printed business cards and distributed
them to Internet Cafés and Camera Shops.

All of them, really ALL, are buyers of laptops. Acer, HP,
Panasonic, and Sony, it does not matter. And the
conversion is a real pain because a lot of those new
laptops do not have support for XP, I mean you can't
even download the drivers from the manufacturer's
website.

I read a lot of "Vista is not bad" on news sites, but from
my point of view, from comments I receive from
switchers, and from my own experience, it really sucks.

Most of those computers are 5 to 10 times slower on
Vista than on XP because the manufactuers sell them
below of on the edge of Vista's memory requirements.

And Vista is so ackward to use than people are doing
less with it than they were doing on XP. For my part, I
can't stand it, and I don't have the interest to fight with
it because none of what has been changed makes
sense.

Anyway, continue to defend Vista, but you can't change
the lanslide: ordinary people are switching to XP. This
is going to be the biggest subject discussed over
XMass.
Click to view infoDave's profile New Member 8 posts since
Dec 18, 2007
42. Dec 18, 2007 2:39 AM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
Ok, I break it down this way:

True Disappointments

1 vista
2 high-def wars
3 yahoo
7 voip
14 municipal wimax

What are you talking about?

5 iphone
8 leopard 10.5
9 office 2007
10 wireless carriers
11 zune
12 internet security

Who cares?

3 facebook beacon
6 broadband
13 social networks
15 amazon unbox

What would you change?
Click to view MacPC's profile New Member 7 posts since
Nov 12, 2006
43. Dec 18, 2007 6:26 AM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
Why would anyone in his/her right mind would use Microsoft's garbages? Vista Ultimate$399? Is this highway robbery? Mac OSX Leopard is only $129 retail and on sale for $99. It's stable, fast and better looking then Garbagesoft. I use all three major OSes for work, Mac, Linux and Windows, (98, 2k, XP and Vista.) By far Vista is the biggest piece of crap, not to mention, the buggy IE7...

I really admire good old Bill, he's not only a software giant but also a great entomologist, he loves buggy software.

Wake up, Windows users, havn't Garbagesoft abuse you enough?

I say: Hastala Vista, baby, It's time to ditch Windows.
Click to view spencerianstudent's profile New Member 1 posts since
Dec 18, 2007
44. Dec 18, 2007 3:07 AM in response to: PCWorld
The 15 Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007
"Did we learn nothing from VHS vs. Betamax, CD-R vs. CD-RW, DVD-A vs. SACD, and so on down..." I can't see how CD-r and CD-rw are relevant. I would have used the comparison od DVD-r to DVD r ( a little more relevant).

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