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Click to view pipercub's profile New Member 12 posts since
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Jan 23, 2008 4:39 PM

Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest

It is pityful that a magazine such as PC World excludes "QUEBEC" Canada residents from the contests.

Hope that will soon be corrected.

Thanks

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Click to view smax013's profile Old Hand 3,860 posts since
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1. Jan 23, 2008 4:39 PM in response to: pipercub
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest
pipercub wrote:
It is pityful that a magazine such as PC World excludes "QUEBEC" Canada residents from the contests.

Hope that will soon be corrected.

Thanks


My guess is that there are some local laws that make including Quebec either problematic, impractical, or even impossible. Keep in mind that any contest has to be in compliance with local laws. That means that sometimes, certain location will get left out due to "complications" due to their local laws.


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3. Jan 23, 2008 4:40 PM in response to: pipercub
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest
pipercub wrote:There is a very simple procedure that 95% of contests have adhered to. It just takes a little time to get the approval
It might be simple and it might not be. What might be simple to you, might not have been so simple to PCWorld. The point is that it is potentially naive to just scream at/blame PCWorld. The point is that frequently it is local government that might make things difficult for businesses to operate and as such you might want to toss some of the blame in other directions. While there might be perfectly good reasons for such local laws, they can also have unintended and possibly undesireable consequences. And if you live in Quebec, then you and your fellow Quebec'ers might have to choose between the benefits of those local laws and the businesses that they might chase away, whether intentionally or not. There are lots of trade offs in life.


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4. Jan 23, 2008 4:42 PM in response to: pipercub
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest
Hi Pipercub. I have changed your Discussion title to give a clearer indication of your question so that it can attract the individual(s) who can address your concern. Kellie is the Community Manager of PCWorld. If anyone can shed some light on this situation, she would be the one to do so. I am sure she will respond to this as soon as she logs in again.


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6. Jan 23, 2008 5:22 PM in response to: smax013
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest
If I recall correctly, residents of Puerto Rico were excluded as well, so its not like Quebec was singled out. There is probably a good reason for it, after all, I have seen contests where residents of certain States were excluded. coastie65


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7. Jan 23, 2008 5:42 PM in response to: pipercub
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest
pipercub wrote:
No use in getting agressive, i just pointed out facts and i am well aware of the procedures. Before posting i asked questions to people who know how it works and my facts were from precise answers. I am not blasting anyone, just info i am putting out.

BTW i am far from naive and consider your comment as an unwarranted remark.

I most likely know a hell of a lot more about Canada/USA relations than you will ever learn.

Edited by MPHEnterprises - No Personal Attacks

That was not aggressive. I was merely trying to point out that it might not be as simple as you think it to be. Personally, I don't know. I was merely speculating as to why Quebec might have been excluded. Never said I was right and could in fact be way off point.


Now, if you would like me to be agressive, how about this...why not try actually reading what I said? I did not out right call you naive, but instead said:

"The point is that it is potentially naive to just scream at/blame PCWorld."


Note that you convienently glossed over the the word "potentially". I put it in there precisely because I DON'T know it all and it could turn out that it is in fact a rather simple thing that PCWorld could have done and thus, PCWorld deserves to be blamed. But, since I did not know, I tried to state that MAYBE you were oversimplifying things and PCWorld does not deserve all the blame.


But, then since you know it all (to quote you: "I most likely know a hell of a lot more about Canada/USA relations than you will ever learn."), I will bow to your infinite wisdom.


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Click to view mphenterprises's profile Member Moderators 9,117 posts since
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8. Jan 23, 2008 5:39 PM in response to: pipercub
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest
Hi Piper. Okay, there is no need to start attacking SMax. He is just trying to help. I am sure you know much about Canada/USA relations; however, until representatives from PCWorld see this Discussion, anything that is presented here is strictly speculation.


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9. Jan 23, 2008 5:42 PM in response to: coastie65
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coastie65 wrote:If I recall correctly, residents of Puerto Rico were excluded as well, so its not like Quebec was singled out. There is probably a good reason for it, after all, I have seen contests where residents of certain States were excluded. coastie65

Never said nor meaned to imply that Quebec was singled out. In fact, my point was that there are frequently local laws or rules that result in some local areas not be included in contests due to complexities that companies don't want to deal with. It could be due to laws/rules that just outright forbid those types of contest or just due to such laws/rules making it impractical for the company running the contest to include that location. Impracticality could be due to just some impractical demand of that one locality or it could be there are a handful of localities that require different requirements and it is impractical to do those simple, yet diverse requirement for a bunch of different localities (i.e. bang for the buck, so to speak)...in otherwords, if you 95% of the locations can be included with the same rules and requirement, but the last 5% each have different seperate requirement, it might be impractical to meet a bunch of simple, yet diverse requirements for a bunch of different locations just to get that additional 5%. Simple requirements might become complex over all if you have bunch of them. Thus, it is entirely possible that it is very simple to meet Quebec's requirements and Puerto Rico's requirement (and anyone else's requirements who where excluded), but it might become impractical to meet all those requirements to include all those that were excluded. And it is also possible that some localities might require things that would put the contest in conflict with other localities rules, so a decision had to be made.


In the end, it is all speculation until someone at PCWorld comments...if they choose to.


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10. Jan 23, 2008 5:52 PM in response to: smax013
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Hi smax, When I read your post, I didn't read any implications into it, it was pretty straight forward. I guess people read things differently. I know some states won't allow contests sponsored by tobacco or alcohol manufacturers for instance. coastie65


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11. Jan 23, 2008 5:55 PM in response to: coastie65
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coastie65 wrote:Hi smax, When I read your post, I didn't read any implications into it, it was pretty straight forward. I guess people read things differently. I know some states won't allow contests sponsored by tobacco or alcohol manufacturers for instance. coastie65
You tend to run into similar types of "restrictions" in settlements for class action lawsuits...some states' laws are different enough that a settlement might not be permissible in that state. That is the joy of a patch work of federal,state, and provincial laws. :-)


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12. Jan 28, 2008 2:54 PM in response to: pipercub
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest
Hi pipercub --

Yes, residents of Quebec and Puerto Rico were excluded from the contest. I honestly cannot say the exact reasons as I do not know them -- I followed the advice of our lawyer when setting up the rules. However, I would assume that it is due to local laws in regards to contests, lotteries, and the like.

Many states here in the US have differing laws when it comes to contests. For example, we had to jump through some hoops to make the contest legal in the states of NY and FL. We tried to be as inclusive as possible -- opening the contest to residents of Canada (and adhering to their rules, which are different than those of the US) and opening the age range to 13 and above.

I hope that helps to answer your questions.


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13. Feb 3, 2008 2:21 AM in response to: pipercub
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest

I do believe that the Gaming rules and the taxes make it hard for companies to comply with. This is not the first time Quebec has been left out of this kind of contest. Even Canadian contests exclude Quebec for these reasons.


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14. Feb 3, 2008 2:45 AM in response to: pipercub
Re: Quebec Excluded from Dream PC Contest
hello & welcome pipercub
It is not unusual to see quebec excluded from many things.
So PC World should not be singled out.
I think maybe its because of the extra expense of have to print everything in french, or some other quebec law.
tnx


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